# Donald Trump releases birth certificate - I think it's fake. **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [January 9, 2013, 5:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-releases-birth-certificate-i-think-its-fake/646644 "2013-01-09T17:15:39Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2013, 5:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-releases-birth-certificate-i-think-its-fake/646644/1 "2013-01-09T17:15:39Z")
Responding to a challenge from media icon and leading opinionmaker Bill Mahr, the Donald has released his birth certificate and demanded that Mahr pony up the promised $5 million. The only problem is: I’m pretty sure the birth certificate is not real. [Check it out:](http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/yahoo-news-exclusive-trump-releases-birth-certificate-bill-151304482.html) there is no way that the document was printed in 1946. It is simply a technological impossibility. Until the original, long-form birth certificate is produced, the question of whether Trump is the offspring of an orangutan will be unresolved. ---
**Author:** ![stpauler](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9d8465/32.png) [@stpauler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/stpauler)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2013, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-releases-birth-certificate-i-think-its-fake/646644/2 "2013-01-09T17:19:53Z")
How do we know that Fred C Trump isn’t an orangutan? ---
**Author:** ![Yorikke](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yorikke/32/4335_2.png) [@Yorikke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yorikke)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2013, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-releases-birth-certificate-i-think-its-fake/646644/3 "2013-01-09T17:21:29Z")
That must be a joke. Really. an actual, intended-to-be-funny joke. ---
**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2013, 5:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-releases-birth-certificate-i-think-its-fake/646644/4 "2013-01-09T17:23:15Z")
That’s definitely fake. It has the date issued in 2012 right on it. My birth certificate was issued when I was born. Go back to Kenya Trump. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2013, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-releases-birth-certificate-i-think-its-fake/646644/5 "2013-01-09T17:27:48Z")
Don’t take this as a defense of that bafoon, but if I lost my birth certificate and wanted a new copy, wouldn’t the issue date be the date of issue of the new copy? ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2013, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-releases-birth-certificate-i-think-its-fake/646644/6 "2013-01-09T17:29:16Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > Don’t take this as a defense of that bafoon, but if I lost my birth certificate and wanted a new copy, wouldn’t the issue date be the date of issue of the new copy? Would your “new” birth certificate have the word VOID printed all over it? HmmmmmmmM? ---
**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2013, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-releases-birth-certificate-i-think-its-fake/646644/7 "2013-01-09T17:30:22Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > Don’t take this as a defense of that bafoon, but if I lost my birth certificate and wanted a new copy, wouldn’t the issue date be the date of issue of the new copy? He lost his birth certificate?!?! He’s been claiming he had it all along. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2013, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-releases-birth-certificate-i-think-its-fake/646644/8 "2013-01-09T17:35:12Z")
In any case, it’s possible that his mother lied to her husband. This hardly constitutes proof. ---
**Author:** ![Crotalus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crotalus/32/41_2.png) [@Crotalus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crotalus)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2013, 5:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-releases-birth-certificate-i-think-its-fake/646644/9 "2013-01-09T17:36:08Z")
The certificate seems to indicate that Trump’s parents weren’t married at the time of his birth. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2013, 5:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-releases-birth-certificate-i-think-its-fake/646644/10 "2013-01-09T17:43:05Z")
It says nothing about live birth, now does it? And I want to see the birth certificate for that…_thing_…on his head. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2013, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-releases-birth-certificate-i-think-its-fake/646644/11 "2013-01-09T18:11:56Z")
I don’t see any proof here. The certificate says Donald Trump’s father is Fred C. Trump. No information is given as to what species this Fred C. Trump is. So there’s nothing there to disprove Maher’s claim that Trump might be the “spawn of his mother having sex with an orangutan.” ---
**Author:** ![muldoonthief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muldoonthief/32/3188_2.png) [@muldoonthief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/muldoonthief)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2013, 6:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-releases-birth-certificate-i-think-its-fake/646644/12 "2013-01-09T18:19:04Z")
“Fred C. Trump” even sounds like an orangutan name. A circus orangutan at that. ---
**Author:** ![Enkel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/df705f/32.png) [@Enkel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enkel)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2013, 6:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-releases-birth-certificate-i-think-its-fake/646644/13 "2013-01-09T18:32:09Z")
Hey… that is a “certificate of birth” and he asked for a Birth Certificate. Clearly it is a forgery! ---
**Author:** ![The\_Second\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bbe5ce/32.png) [@The\_Second\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Second_Stone)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2013, 6:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-releases-birth-certificate-i-think-its-fake/646644/14 "2013-01-09T18:42:24Z")
> [@stpauler](#): > > How do we know that Fred C Trump isn’t an orangutan? It’s a stage name for Clint Eastwood’s Any Which Way co-star. ---
**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2013, 6:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-releases-birth-certificate-i-think-its-fake/646644/15 "2013-01-09T18:45:15Z")
> [@The\_Second\_Stone](#): > > It’s a stage name for Clint Eastwood’s Any Which Way co-star. No, I think it’s the chimp that used to be on the Today Show. ---
**Author:** ![Defensive\_Indifference](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/defensive_indifference/32/6502_2.png) [@Defensive\_Indifference](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Defensive_Indifference)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2013, 6:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-releases-birth-certificate-i-think-its-fake/646644/16 "2013-01-09T18:47:50Z")
Pfft. First of all, the certificate number is 7624. So, he was the 7,624 person born in NYC since they started issuing birth certificates? Riiiiight. Even more obvious, the certificate has a barcode. Barcodes were not in use until the 1960’s, over a decade after Trump was supposedly “born”. Clear indication of fakery. Also, I can tell by the pixels. [Walter Sobchak]Fucking amateurs![/WS] ---
**Author:** ![YogSothoth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/8edcca/32.png) [@YogSothoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/YogSothoth)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2013, 7:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-releases-birth-certificate-i-think-its-fake/646644/17 "2013-01-09T19:09:24Z")
I await Trump’s apology and subsequent self-deportation to whatever planet he came from ---
**Author:** ![Diceman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/22d042/32.png) [@Diceman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diceman)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2013, 7:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-releases-birth-certificate-i-think-its-fake/646644/18 "2013-01-09T19:14:52Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > Don’t take this as a defense of that bafoon, but if I lost my birth certificate and wanted a new copy, wouldn’t the issue date be the date of issue of the new copy? I think you’re right. Notice that the date filed is in 1946. The 2012 date is probably the date that particular copy was printed off. > [@](#): > > The certificate seems to indicate that Trump’s parents weren’t married at the time of his birth. I believe it’s standard practice to identify the mother by her maiden name on birth certificates. ---
**Author:** ![Pai325](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/c68b51/32.png) [@Pai325](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pai325)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2013, 7:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-releases-birth-certificate-i-think-its-fake/646644/19 "2013-01-09T19:18:30Z")
Many certificates show the VOID if you Xerox them. This certificate is what I would get if I wrote to Cook County asking for a copy of mine and then Xeroxed it. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2013, 7:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-releases-birth-certificate-i-think-its-fake/646644/20 "2013-01-09T19:20:49Z")
> [@runner pat](#): > > And I want to see the birth certificate for that…_thing_…on his head. You have to admit the hair isn’t helping to disprove the orangutan ancestry theory. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-releases-birth-certificate-i-think-its-fake/646644.md?page=2)