# Donald Trump, tax avoider **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [September 27, 2020, 9:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-tax-avoider/921696 "2020-09-27T21:49:02Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2020, 1:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-tax-avoider/921696/181 "2020-09-29T01:19:40Z")
Trump 2020 campaign so far, illustrated: [![](https://www.warhistoryonline.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/64/2018/01/1516627882-6600-hot-down-cph.3a45221-640x488.jpg) ](https://www.warhistoryonline.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/64/2018/01/1516627882-6600-hot-down-cph.3a45221-640x488.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![Dr\_Paprika](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dr_paprika/32/3042_2.png) [@Dr\_Paprika](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr_Paprika)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2020, 1:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-tax-avoider/921696/182 "2020-09-29T01:23:06Z")
In general, Trump seems to have taken _20% of the value_ of all his projects for **unnamed consultants**. In one or two cases, the same value taken off a project equals the amount given to Ivanka. But the other consultants are unnamed too. Most likely reliable and honest _venture capitalists_ rather than more family members. Which is good if he is personally involved. I went to the National Review looking to see how they would make pottery out of turds, as per usual. Make him sound like a Republican combination of Solon and the Gracchi Brothers. Mais - Mozusse. They did not mention it at all! But Trump is personally securing millions of doses of Covid vaccine. That’s good to know, and I’ll sleep a bit easier. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2020, 1:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-tax-avoider/921696/183 "2020-09-29T01:27:44Z")
> [@BlankSlate](#): > > When that’s fully investigated, will anyone be surprised if Don jr. and Eric were double-dipping as well? Are you talking money or Ivanka? ---
**Author:** ![RitterSport](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rittersport/32/6326_2.png) [@RitterSport](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RitterSport)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2020, 1:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-tax-avoider/921696/184 "2020-09-29T01:41:27Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > I dont say evasion, I say avoision. It’s a crime. Look it up. ---
**Author:** ![Saintly\_Loser](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saintly_loser/32/4045_2.png) [@Saintly\_Loser](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saintly_Loser)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2020, 1:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-tax-avoider/921696/185 "2020-09-29T01:44:08Z")
> [@BlankSlate](#): > > When that’s fully investigated, will anyone be surprised if Don jr. and Eric were double-dipping as well? Maybe they weren’t. And maybe they’ll be really pissed off that Dad was sending so much money Ivanka’s way, and not a penny to them. And so they’ll turn on him… Well, we can dream, can’t we? ---
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2020, 2:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-tax-avoider/921696/186 "2020-09-29T02:59:41Z")
Long answer short, I think the bar for President if the United States should be set higher than “not technically illegal”. Way higher, when it comes to taxes, that one civic responsibility that everyone hates. I actually expect the President of the United States to be accountable to a higher standard than the rest of us, not a lower one. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2020, 3:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-tax-avoider/921696/187 "2020-09-29T03:43:15Z")
> Long answer short, I think the bar for President if the United States should be set higher than “not technically illegal”. Way higher, when it comes to taxes, that one civic responsibility that everyone hates. > > I actually expect the President of the United States to be accountable to a higher standard than the rest of us, not a lower one. The fact this even needs to be said is unbelievable. 😑 ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2020, 3:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-tax-avoider/921696/188 "2020-09-29T03:52:52Z")
No, ordinary people cant, but show biz people can if they can show that is not their usual hair , they do it like that for business. ---
**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2020, 4:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-tax-avoider/921696/189 "2020-09-29T04:02:46Z")
> [@Aji\_de\_Gallina](#): > > So, did he break any laws or was he using the law code to the fullest extent? Did you read the NYT piece? It looks like he broke a fuck ton of laws. ---
**Author:** ![Max\_S](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/46a35a/32.png) [@Max\_S](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Max_S)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2020, 4:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-tax-avoider/921696/190 "2020-09-29T04:26:46Z")
> [@Tim\_R.Mortiss](#): > > As a supporter of President Trump, here is my take: […] I haven’t read the articles If you didn’t read the articles, you don’t _have_ a take on them. Fullstop. We strive for the straight dope here on the Straight Dope. ~Max ---
**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2020, 4:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-tax-avoider/921696/191 "2020-09-29T04:49:33Z")
He hasn’t read the articles just like he won’t read any of the responses to him. ---
**Author:** ![psychobunny](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/54ee81/32.png) [@psychobunny](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/psychobunny)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2020, 5:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-tax-avoider/921696/192 "2020-09-29T05:28:34Z")
I think Kamala Harris has the right approach (scroll down to video). > **[Kamala Harris Tells Trump To Come Clean About His Towering Debt: ‘Who Do You...](https://www.politicususa.com/2020/09/28/kamala-harris-tells-trump-to-come-clean-about-his-towering-debt-who-do-you-owe-the-money-to.html/amp)** > > Kamala Harris addressed Donald Trump directly on Monday night, telling him that he must come clean about his personal debt. ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2020, 7:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-tax-avoider/921696/193 "2020-09-29T07:12:45Z")
Why is Donald spending any money on consultants? I thought he already knew everything. ---
**Author:** ![AK84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85e7bf/32.png) [@AK84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AK84)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2020, 7:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-tax-avoider/921696/194 "2020-09-29T07:40:22Z")
We are in a weird world where Trump is relying on the general public’s financial illiteracy to make the story go away and the Biden camp…is relying on the generals public’s financial illiteracy to make the story stick. 😳 This thread makes it seem the latter is succeeding and a quick glance at r/conservative on Reddit makes it clear the former is succeeding as well. If Trump (or let’s say a hypothetical person called “Drumpf”) personally owes a mountain of debt to entities then not having any significant _personal_ assets is the smartest thing he can do. @Chronos funny jab notwithstanding, having less worth than uncontacted Llma herdsman is smart move. Since that makes suing to recover from you functionally impossible. I would love to see details of the “personal guarantee” he has supposed to have signed. If he has no personally owned and saleable assets that can match that amount then those banks are _fucked_. And he would be stupid not to remove as much from himself as possible. Guessing it’s a boring old directors personal guarantee. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2020, 8:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-tax-avoider/921696/195 "2020-09-29T08:44:55Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > I dont say evasion, I say avoision. Let’s call the whole thing off. > [@wolfpup](#): > > Trump 2020 campaign so far, illustrated: To be more accurate, it needs to be a [Russian plane](https://www.politico.com/news/2020/09/14/trump-ad-asks-people-to-support-the-troops-but-it-uses-a-picture-of-russian-jets-414883). > [@running\_coach](#): > > Are you talking money or Ivanka? Stay classy, man. > [@snfaulkner](#): > > He hasn’t read the articles just like he won’t read any of the responses to him. It’s much easier to maintain one’s worldview if one avoids everything that may contradict it. ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2020, 9:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-tax-avoider/921696/196 "2020-09-29T09:42:43Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > You can’t limit who can run for president, so you can’t compel people by threatening to keep them off the ballot States most certainly can determine rules for ballot listing eligibility. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2020, 10:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-tax-avoider/921696/197 "2020-09-29T10:06:04Z")
> [@Dr\_Paprika](#): > > But Trump is personally securing millions of doses of Covid vaccine. Oh, there’s a vaccine? ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2020, 10:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-tax-avoider/921696/198 "2020-09-29T10:26:39Z")
> [@bobot](#): > > Oh, there’s a vaccine? Shots of hydroxychloroquine, grain alcohol and rainwater. ---
**Author:** ![JKellyMap](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jkellymap/32/15880_2.png) [@JKellyMap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JKellyMap)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2020, 11:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-tax-avoider/921696/199 "2020-09-29T11:25:00Z")
> [@Riemann](#): > > This is something else Biden should hammer on. It’s not the tax evasion, or tax minimization, the narrative there is that he’s just being “smart”, nobody pays more taxes than they are legally obliged to. What matters is: > > (1) He’s a _terrible_ businessman who has persistently lost money, contrary to the narrative that he’s a financial genius and great negotiator. > > (2) He has huge personal loans coming due, which leave him extremely vulnerable to inappropriate influence, and represent an obvious conflict of interest in his handling of economic policy. > > (3) His handling of COVID and 200,000 American deaths should be seen not just as incompetence, but also in the context of this massive conflict of interest: **his own casino and hotel [golf and hotel, actually] businesses woulds suffer dramatically if he informed the American people of the known risk, if he implemented and enforced appropriate measures to stop the spread of the virus.** Repeated, for emphasis. ---
**Author:** ![JKellyMap](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jkellymap/32/15880_2.png) [@JKellyMap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JKellyMap)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2020, 11:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-tax-avoider/921696/200 "2020-09-29T11:25:56Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > Are you talking money or Ivanka? Oh snap! [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-tax-avoider/921696.md?page=9) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-tax-avoider/921696.md?page=11)