# Donald Trump, tax avoider **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [September 27, 2020, 9:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-tax-avoider/921696 "2020-09-27T21:49:02Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 20
**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2020, 3:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-tax-avoider/921696/384 "2020-09-30T15:49:32Z")
> [@Fiddle\_Peghead](#): > > Why can you not accept that I think there is a line that even Trump wouldn’t cross? We accept that, but we can also see Trump waving at us from miles beyond that line. ---
**Author:** ![Fiddle\_Peghead](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fiddle_peghead/32/3506_2.png) [@Fiddle\_Peghead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiddle_Peghead)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2020, 3:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-tax-avoider/921696/385 "2020-09-30T15:50:25Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > We can accept that you think that. But there’s no evidence that there’s ever been a line he wouldn’t cross if he stood to benefit in some way. I’m not so sure I would use the word “we” in your statement, but a sincere thanks for _your_ opinion. And if that is enough for you to believe he would cross any line, fine. It’s not enough for me, and that too is a reasonable conclusion. Do you think he would commit murder if it benefited him, for example? ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2020, 3:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-tax-avoider/921696/386 "2020-09-30T15:57:44Z")
He’s unlikely to personally commit murder because he’s an infirm old coward. But he did order a strike on Soleimani while he was on apparently on a diplomatic mission in an allied third country. He also specifically covered for the murder of Jamal Khashoggi. Then there is his Covid response, in which he’s personally responsible for a hundred thousand dead Americans. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2020, 4:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-tax-avoider/921696/387 "2020-09-30T16:02:49Z")
And we still don’t know what he intended for [Marie Yovanovitch](https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/01/giuliani-parnas-hyde-yovanovitch-surveillance). It’s true that he wouldn’t murder someone in person, but the impediment as noted would be cowardice, not any sort of moral code against it. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2020, 4:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-tax-avoider/921696/388 "2020-09-30T16:06:06Z")
> [@Fiddle\_Peghead](#): > > Do you think he would commit murder if it benefited him, for example? Negligent Homicide comes to mind. [https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/518868-twitter-erupts-after-trump-says-indoor-rallies-had-no-negative-effects-ask](https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/518868-twitter-erupts-after-trump-says-indoor-rallies-had-no-negative-effects-ask) > Twitter users piled on to [President Trump](https://thehill.com/people/donald-trump) during Tuesday evening’s debate after he claimed that campaign rallies he held at indoor venues had no “negative” effects associated with the contraction of COVID-19. > > The moment came after former Vice President [Joe Biden](https://thehill.com/people/joe-biden) criticized Trump at Tuesday’s presidential debate over his decision to hold some campaign rallies at indoor venues earlier this year, despite warnings from health officials about large gatherings inside amid the COVID-19 outbreak. > > Trump denied that those at his indoor events suffered negative consequences. > > “We’ve had no negative effect. We’ve had no negative effect. And we’ve had 35 — 45,000 people at these rallies,” the president said. > > Activists and critics of the president took to Twitter and pointed to the death of former GOP presidential candidate [Herman Cain](https://thehill.com/people/herman-cain) in late July after he was diagnosed with coronavirus. Trump’s bad example to his followers regarding snake oil remedies, his dismissal of mask use and the medical supplies swindles that he allowed to happen that also caused an economical disaster with the budgets of most states has easily added to the count of unnecessary deaths Trump is responsible of. > **[U.S. Could Have Saved 36,000 Lives If Social Distancing Started 1 Week...](https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/05/21/860077940/u-s-could-have-saved-36-000-lives-if-social-distancing-started-1-week-earlier-st)** > > The analysis from Columbia University focused on the period from March 15 to May 3, when states and counties implemented "measures enforcing social distancing and restricting individual contact." And all that because Trump was told that Blue States would suffer the most and it was better for him to look for Wall Street’s well being rather than the well being of less well to do Americans. ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2020, 4:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-tax-avoider/921696/389 "2020-09-30T16:37:06Z")
> [@Si\_Amigo](#): > > That WJ site was also removed from Google and Facebook for fake news. Removed from Facebook for fake news? That’s like kicked out of ISIS for being too fanatical and violent. ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2020, 4:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-tax-avoider/921696/390 "2020-09-30T16:38:00Z")
> [@Fiveyearlurker](#): > > Trump’s Aberdeen property which Trump serves somehow simultaneously as the owner the asset, the money lender for the asset, the individual for whom the money is owed for the asset Hey, Donald Trump, David Dennison, John Miller, and John Barron have lots of complicated business deals going on. ---
**Author:** ![MrMrmrmr](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrmrmrmr/32/5828_2.png) [@MrMrmrmr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrMrmrmr)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2020, 5:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-tax-avoider/921696/391 "2020-09-30T17:07:16Z")
Speaking of complicated deals Tesla lost 2.2 billion in 2017, 1 billion in 2018, .77 billion in 2019, boy that Musk guy must be one broke MF. ---
**Author:** ![drad\_dog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@drad\_dog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drad_dog)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2020, 5:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-tax-avoider/921696/392 "2020-09-30T17:40:39Z")
We love to talk about current events here. But the “event” being discussed is why one anonymous person on the internet has a concretized, hermetic, and intractable opinion about tormp’s morality, in defiance of most known facts. I think it’s not about tormp, because nobody recognizes the actual tormp who we know in these statements. It’s just about intractablitiy qua intractability, as an end in itself. ---
**Author:** ![Son\_of\_a\_Rich](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/son_of_a_rich/32/5439_2.png) [@Son\_of\_a\_Rich](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Son_of_a_Rich)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2020, 5:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-tax-avoider/921696/393 "2020-09-30T17:46:12Z")
I don’t give a shit if he did or didn’t pay any tax. He already bragged about not paying in that debate with Hillary. What I want to know is: exactly who does he owe all that money to? Taxes isn’t a national security issue, this is. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2020, 5:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-tax-avoider/921696/394 "2020-09-30T17:48:45Z")
He just called for a right wing militia to “stand by” : > **[Proud Boys say they are 'standing down and standing by' after Trump's debate...](https://news.yahoo.com/proud-boys-standing-down-standing-031200491.html)** > > On their account on the social media app Telegram, the Proud Boys appeared to take the statement as marching orders. _Proud Boys say they are ‘standing down and standing by’ after Trump’s debate callout… “Proud Boys, stand back and stand by, but I’ll tell you what, somebody’s got to do something about antifa and the left, because this is not a right-wing problem. This is a left-wing problem,” Trump said._ Calling for armed insurrection is treason. And trump did it on National TV. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2020, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-tax-avoider/921696/395 "2020-09-30T17:49:36Z")
He called for armed insurrection. That is treason. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2020, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-tax-avoider/921696/396 "2020-09-30T17:51:44Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > Activists and critics of the president took to Twitter and pointed to the death of former GOP presidential candidate [Herman Cain](https://thehill.com/people/herman-cain) in late July after he was diagnosed with coronavirus. Well, Herman Cain doesn’t count, for _obvious_ reasons. ---
**Author:** ![Fiddle\_Peghead](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fiddle_peghead/32/3506_2.png) [@Fiddle\_Peghead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiddle_Peghead)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2020, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-tax-avoider/921696/397 "2020-09-30T17:56:58Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > He called for armed insurrection. Hardly. Even if Trump does want Proud Boys to stand back/stand by, that does not mean “rise up”. It means the opposite. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2020, 5:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-tax-avoider/921696/398 "2020-09-30T17:58:46Z")
> [@Fiddle\_Peghead](#): > > Hardly. Even if Trump does want Proud Boys to stand back/stand by, that does not mean “rise up”. It means the opposite. - “Stand by” means be ready for further orders. ---
**Author:** ![Fiddle\_Peghead](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fiddle_peghead/32/3506_2.png) [@Fiddle\_Peghead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiddle_Peghead)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2020, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-tax-avoider/921696/399 "2020-09-30T18:00:01Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > “Stand by” means be ready for further orders. Okay. When he tells Proud Boys or anyone else to attack, then he will have called for insurrection. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2020, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-tax-avoider/921696/400 "2020-09-30T18:01:43Z")
… ‘When he tells them specifically to target _law-abiding citizens_, then he’ll have called for an insurrection.’ ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2020, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-tax-avoider/921696/401 "2020-09-30T18:01:47Z")
He’s already called out his target and the conditions on which to act. ---
**Author:** ![MrMrmrmr](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrmrmrmr/32/5828_2.png) [@MrMrmrmr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrMrmrmr)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2020, 6:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-tax-avoider/921696/402 "2020-09-30T18:07:44Z")
No one wants to respond to my post about Musk losing billions, and still being a billionaire, just as Trump has lost a fraction of that, and remains a billionaire? ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2020, 6:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-tax-avoider/921696/403 "2020-09-30T18:10:43Z")
Musk lost a few % of his total worth which is 10-15 times greater that Trump ever claimed and hasn’t even proven he ever had. Remember, he said that part of his worth is the value of his name which he pulled out of …thin air. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-tax-avoider/921696.md?page=19) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-tax-avoider/921696.md?page=21)