# Donald Trump winks and nods to the Second Amendment people **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [August 9, 2016, 10:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-winks-and-nods-to-the-second-amendment-people/762283 "2016-08-09T22:03:50Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2016, 8:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-winks-and-nods-to-the-second-amendment-people/762283/181 "2016-08-10T20:40:19Z")
> [@cochrane](#): > > NY Daily News calls for Trump to end his campaign. > > [http://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/trump-hinting-assassination-article-1.2744789?utm\_content=buffer9e24b&utm\_medium=social&utm\_source=twitter.com&utm\_campaign=NYDailyNewsTw](http://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/trump-hinting-assassination-article-1.2744789?utm_content=buffer9e24b&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=NYDailyNewsTw) I think real solution here isn’t to shame Trump – he cannot be shamed. The real pressure is to raise the stakes, to put the pressure on the republican party and even the libertarians who support the NRA. There needs to be a coordinated effort in which we say: We’re documenting this now. We will hold you accountable for any violence that occurs to anyone, whether it’s to one of our candidates, to supporters, or anyone else. The pressure needs to be public, the refrain constant. In all honesty, Trump is probably a one-year phenomenon. The tea party, the Trumpists, the conspiracy theorists, the Alex Joneses, the Sean Hannities, the Rush Limbaughs, the Bill O’Reillys, Ann Coulters, Michelle Malkins, Mark Levins…this is all part of a long trend that has removed boundaries on what qualifies for appropriate and sane political discourse. If this were 1788, they would be the perfect argument AGAINST the First Amendment. It is the republican party and the right wing noise apparatus that must be taken down more than Trump, who probably wouldn’t exist if we had had more civil and principled conservatives all along. As I see it, the problem isn’t true conservatism. I’ve never considered myself conservatism’s natural enemy. As I’ve remarked before, conservatism in its purest form is simply the preservation of values and approaches to governing and managing society that are known to work. When it works well, conservatism is a check against the unrealistic idealism of the Left. But this is not conservatism; this is fascism. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2016, 8:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-winks-and-nods-to-the-second-amendment-people/762283/182 "2016-08-10T20:41:21Z")
> [@inscrutable](#): > > Said Hillary in May of '08, to explain why she remained in the race with obamessiah. And she apologized for it. [Clinton apologizes for citing RFK killing - The Boston Globe](http://archive.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2008/05/24/clinton_apologizes_for_citing_rfk_killing/) Will Trump apologize? ---
**Author:** ![FoieGrasIsEvil](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foiegrasisevil/32/16638_2.png) [@FoieGrasIsEvil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FoieGrasIsEvil)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2016, 8:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-winks-and-nods-to-the-second-amendment-people/762283/183 "2016-08-10T20:44:58Z")
Maybe Trump wants the 2nd Amendment people to stop her by arresting her so she can be tried for her crimes since our wimpy FBI/Justice Department won’t due to collusion? ---
**Author:** ![you\_with\_the\_face](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/ecccb3/32.png) [@you\_with\_the\_face](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/you_with_the_face)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2016, 8:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-winks-and-nods-to-the-second-amendment-people/762283/184 "2016-08-10T20:48:59Z")
> [@inscrutable](#): > > Said Hillary in May of '08, to explain why she remained in the race with obamessiah. I remember her saying this and found it extremely gross and indefensible. Good reminder that Hillary isn’t above saying irresponsible things, too. Trump remarks are disgraceful not just because they can be seen as him egging on violence against Hillary, but because, as I pointed out earlier, he is pandering to the very same people who would be doing this violence. The winking and nodding is disgusting because it highlights how his campaign celebrates reactionary violence when it’s perpetrated by so-called patriots (AKA disgruntled white men who keep Trump shrines in their man caves), but in the same breath, excoriates others for merely protesting the erosion of their civil liberties. ---
**Author:** ![Measure\_for\_Measure](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/measure_for_measure/32/557_2.png) [@Measure\_for\_Measure](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Measure_for_Measure)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2016, 8:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-winks-and-nods-to-the-second-amendment-people/762283/185 "2016-08-10T20:56:00Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > To a degree, yes. But that doesn’t mean that every time people take what you say and put it through the Super-Duper Worst Possible Meaning Translator, that it is expressing reality. Four or seven of Trump’s handpicked supporters, seated behind him, laughed with varying degrees of discomfort on their faces. They took it as a joke. A sick joke about assassination makes sense. A joke about 2nd amendment types voting against Clinton… well, it’s beyond clunky. And Trump has a natural sense for oratorical humor. Here’s the vid: [x.com](https://twitter.com/PiercedSkull/status/763136634002997248) ---
**Author:** ![aldiboronti](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9fc348/32.png) [@aldiboronti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aldiboronti)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2016, 9:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-winks-and-nods-to-the-second-amendment-people/762283/186 "2016-08-10T21:09:29Z")
Calm down, guys. I get the outrage but this was clearly a joke. Sure, in extremely bad taste and highly dangerous but surely nobody believes he was serious. He realized he’d gone too far straight away and tried to back-pedal with the ‘horrible’ comment’. This is Trump being Trump, a total idiot. The media are playing this up as if he’d ordered up a hit on Hillary on national TV. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2016, 9:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-winks-and-nods-to-the-second-amendment-people/762283/187 "2016-08-10T21:11:02Z")
[Secret Service spoke to Trump campaign about 2nd Amendment comment](http://www.cnn.com/2016/08/10/politics/trump-second-amendment/) > [@](#): > > A US Secret Service official confirms to CNN that the USSS has spoken to the Trump campaign regarding his Second Amendment comments. > “There has been more than one conversation” on the topic, the official told CNN. [Trump says there was no meeting.](http://www.mediaite.com/online/breaking-trump-denies-secret-service-meeting-took-place/) > [@](#): > > Donald Trump is denying a CNN report that he had several meetings with the Secret Service: > > ``` > No such meeting or conversation ever happened – a made up story by "low ratings" @CNN. > > — Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) August 10, 2016 > > ``` > > CNN said the Secret Service confirmed to them they spoke to Trump about his concerning “Second Amendment people” remarks yesterday. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2016, 9:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-winks-and-nods-to-the-second-amendment-people/762283/188 "2016-08-10T21:20:14Z")
“Trump has not had meetings” and “Trump’s campaign has had meetings” might both be true. Did the Secret Service specifically say they talked to DJT himself? ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2016, 9:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-winks-and-nods-to-the-second-amendment-people/762283/189 "2016-08-10T21:20:21Z")
So Trump has just called the Secret Service - the men and women who currently protect him with their very lives - a bunch of liars. Good move, Donald. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2016, 9:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-winks-and-nods-to-the-second-amendment-people/762283/190 "2016-08-10T21:21:43Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > “Trump has not had meetings” and “Trump’s campaign has had meetings” might both be true. Did the Secret Service specifically say they talked to DJT himself? It’s classic Trumpism: Secret Service confirms they spoke to the Trump Campaign. Trump then tweets that this is untrue - they did not speak to HIM. Obfuscation at it’s most childish. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2016, 9:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-winks-and-nods-to-the-second-amendment-people/762283/191 "2016-08-10T21:31:34Z")
Yes, one can interpret the statement as meaning that Trump wants to motivate Second Amendment supporters to get out and vote. One can also interpret it as meaning that chocolate is Trump’s favorite flavor of ice cream. The problem with both interpretations is that neither one corresponds at all to what he actually said. And I don’t usually make comparisons like this, but I’ll say it now: Trump is a fascist. And that scares the bajeebers out of me. No, it doesn’t scare me because of how evil it means Trump is: I already knew that. It scares me because I know, from the example of history, that fascists can win. What happened in Germany, and Italy, and Japan, and Spain, can happen here, too. And this is the start of what it looks like. ---
**Author:** ![standingwave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9de0a6/32.png) [@standingwave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/standingwave)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2016, 9:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-winks-and-nods-to-the-second-amendment-people/762283/192 "2016-08-10T21:48:50Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > [Secret Service spoke to Trump campaign about 2nd Amendment comment](http://www.cnn.com/2016/08/10/politics/trump-second-amendment/) > > [Trump says there was no meeting.](http://www.mediaite.com/online/breaking-trump-denies-secret-service-meeting-took-place/) Well, gosh. Who are you going to believe? :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2016, 9:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-winks-and-nods-to-the-second-amendment-people/762283/193 "2016-08-10T21:51:51Z")
> [@Voyager](#): > > It shows that in his mind violence against opponents is a proper way of dealing with disputes. This is not the first time. He incited his audiences to beat up protesters. He said he wanted to hit the speakers at the DNC who said nasty things about him. > You just can’t do this stuff if you are President. This is exactly the reason the 50 Republicans called him dangerous. > If Trump was a Doper, he’d get a warning or get banned for this crap. Is it too much to expect that a presidential candidate not be a jerk? Being a jerk is irrelevant to being a candidate or even the president. We’ve had slave owning and rapist presidents. Saying something controversial is minor league at best. ---
**Author:** ![Leaper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/4bbf92/32.png) [@Leaper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaper)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2016, 9:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-winks-and-nods-to-the-second-amendment-people/762283/194 "2016-08-10T21:52:43Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > “Bigly”? What the fuck. He really does have the best words. :rolleyes: Wait a sec… Why is “hugely” a word but “bigly” not? That makes no sense… ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2016, 9:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-winks-and-nods-to-the-second-amendment-people/762283/195 "2016-08-10T21:54:13Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > Yes, one can interpret the statement as meaning that Trump wants to motivate Second Amendment supporters to get out and vote. One can also interpret it as meaning that chocolate is Trump’s favorite flavor of ice cream. The problem with both interpretations is that neither one corresponds at all to what he actually said. > > And I don’t usually make comparisons like this, but I’ll say it now: Trump is a fascist. And that scares the bajeebers out of me. No, it doesn’t scare me because of how evil it means Trump is: I already knew that. It scares me because I know, from the example of history, that fascists can win. What happened in Germany, and Italy, and Japan, and Spain, can happen here, too. And this is the start of what it looks like. Trump is not the problem. Hitler would have been nothing without the German people. So the question is how do you properly reeducate the people to be immune to populists? ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2016, 9:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-winks-and-nods-to-the-second-amendment-people/762283/196 "2016-08-10T21:54:33Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > Being a jerk is irrelevant to being a candidate or even the president. We’ve had slave owning and rapist presidents. Saying something controversial is minor league at best. Trump: “I’ve never owned a slave. I deny that completely.” ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2016, 9:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-winks-and-nods-to-the-second-amendment-people/762283/197 "2016-08-10T21:55:32Z")
We haven’t had a slave-owning President since [Ulysses Grant](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Presidents_of_the_United_States_who_owned_slaves) Who was the rapist president? Trump has a rape case, pre-trial hearings start on September 9th - were you talking about him, **Octopus**? ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2016, 9:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-winks-and-nods-to-the-second-amendment-people/762283/198 "2016-08-10T21:57:38Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > We haven’t had a slave-owning President since [Ulysses Grant](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Presidents_of_the_United_States_who_owned_slaves) > > Who was the rapist president? Trump has a rape case, pre-trial hearings start on September 9th - were you talking about him, **Octopus**? Wasn’t Jefferson a rapist? Can a slave give consent? And the point was that as history has shown the standards for president, senator, governor, or mayor aren’t that high. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2016, 9:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-winks-and-nods-to-the-second-amendment-people/762283/199 "2016-08-10T21:59:38Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > Wasn’t Jefferson a rapist? Can a slave give consent? And the point was that as history has shown the standards for president, senator, governor, or mayor aren’t that high. I’m kind of hoping we’re better than that. Or are we not supposed to make progress? ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2016, 10:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-winks-and-nods-to-the-second-amendment-people/762283/200 "2016-08-10T22:02:22Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > WHOA! There are some scary tweets at that link. > > But take a look at [this work of “art”](https://img.buzzfeed.com/buzzfeed-static/static/2016-08/9/23/asset/buzzfeed-prod-fastlane01/sub-buzz-10341-1470799795-1.png). It depicts exactly the way Trump sees himself. No, her head’s lower in his version. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-winks-and-nods-to-the-second-amendment-people/762283.md?page=9) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-winks-and-nods-to-the-second-amendment-people/762283.md?page=11)