# Donald Trump winks and nods to the Second Amendment people **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [August 9, 2016, 10:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-winks-and-nods-to-the-second-amendment-people/762283 "2016-08-09T22:03:50Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2016, 10:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-winks-and-nods-to-the-second-amendment-people/762283/201 "2016-08-10T22:04:20Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > Wasn’t Jefferson a rapist? Can a slave give consent? And the point was that as history has shown the standards for president, senator, governor, or mayor aren’t that high. So your objection to people trying to hold presidential candidates to a standard is that in the past people didn’t hold presidents to a standard? Are you sure that’s the best you can do? ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2016, 10:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-winks-and-nods-to-the-second-amendment-people/762283/202 "2016-08-10T22:10:13Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > So your objection to people trying to hold presidential candidates to a standard is that in the past people didn’t hold presidents to a standard? Are you sure that’s the best you can do? I don’t object to people who wish to hold someone to a standard. I do think it’s silly to think that a random person is going to share any other’s arbitrary standards. ---
**Author:** ![Son\_of\_a\_Rich](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/son_of_a_rich/32/5439_2.png) [@Son\_of\_a\_Rich](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Son_of_a_Rich)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2016, 10:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-winks-and-nods-to-the-second-amendment-people/762283/203 "2016-08-10T22:11:15Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > Many people are saying that Trump fucks eagles. Is it true? You tell me. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2016, 10:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-winks-and-nods-to-the-second-amendment-people/762283/204 "2016-08-10T22:13:15Z")
> [@Son\_of\_a\_Rich](#): > > Is it true? You tell me. Well, many people are saying it. Smart people. Believe me, they are some of the best people. I just don’t know. It sounds terrible that he would do such a thing. Sad. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2016, 10:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-winks-and-nods-to-the-second-amendment-people/762283/205 "2016-08-10T22:14:20Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > Which of the founders advocated assassination of elected American officials? > [@standingwave](#): > > Well, gosh. Who are you going to believe? :rolleyes: I’m not ready to just believe CNN and their anonymous source at the SS. Why would they make public the fact that they met with Trump or his people? It’s not for nothing that they’re called the Secret Service. ---
**Author:** ![Musicat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/musicat/32/20189_2.png) [@Musicat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Musicat)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2016, 10:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-winks-and-nods-to-the-second-amendment-people/762283/206 "2016-08-10T22:18:13Z")
I just ran across this on YouTube. It was never more appropriate than now, but it was recorded in 1988. It’s the Smothers Brothers reunion show, and Dickie says (at 4:55): “You’re acting like a stupid fool!” Tommy: “I’m running for president!” [![]( " - YouTube") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2EWlmICtrBE) ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2016, 10:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-winks-and-nods-to-the-second-amendment-people/762283/207 "2016-08-10T22:18:48Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > I’m kind of hoping we’re better than that. Or are we not supposed to make progress? If moral axioms were universal and people were purely rational than there would be consensus on what constitutes progress. But that’s not the state we find ourselves in. Therefore we see the success of those who offend. ---
**Author:** ![MindsEye\_Watering](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mindseye_watering/32/3619_2.png) [@MindsEye\_Watering](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MindsEye_Watering)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2016, 10:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-winks-and-nods-to-the-second-amendment-people/762283/208 "2016-08-10T22:20:01Z")
> [@aldiboronti](#): > > Calm down, guys. **I get the outrage but this was clearly a joke.** Sure, in extremely bad taste and highly dangerous but surely nobody believes he was serious. He realized he’d gone too far straight away and tried to back-pedal with the ‘horrible’ comment’. > > This is Trump being Trump, a total idiot. The media are playing this up as if he’d ordered up a hit on Hillary on national TV. Bolding for emphasis. And you know **for a fact** that ALL of his fans took it as a joke? That ALL of his fans heard the statement the way Trump’s campaign wants you to believe? ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2016, 10:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-winks-and-nods-to-the-second-amendment-people/762283/209 "2016-08-10T22:24:25Z")
An overlooked aspect of the story – [Wilmington, North Carolina’s](http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/08/10/1558813/-Wilmington-NC-Massacre,-TerrorWhite-Supremacist-Coup-of-1898:-Trump-Went-There) connection to “Second Amendment solutions” has a certain resemblance to [Philadelphia, Mississippi’s](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reagan's_Neshoba_County_Fair_%22states'_rights%22_speech) connection to “state’s rights”. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2016, 10:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-winks-and-nods-to-the-second-amendment-people/762283/210 "2016-08-10T22:28:17Z")
> [@MindsEye\_Watering](#): > > Bolding for emphasis. > > And you know **for a fact** that ALL of his fans took it as a joke? That ALL of his fans heard the statement the way Trump’s campaign wants you to believe? THESE Trump supporters did not take it as a joke. > [@MN\_Maenad](#): > > If Trump thinks it’s ridiculous to interpret his words as a call to violence, maybe he should tell [his supporters](https://www.buzzfeed.com/jimdalrympleii/trump-reactions?utm_term=.ohmlQzVkE#.bhp0xoXBL) instead of just criticizing the media. At least some of them interpreted it that way too. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2016, 10:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-winks-and-nods-to-the-second-amendment-people/762283/211 "2016-08-10T22:44:50Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > Being a jerk is irrelevant to being a candidate or even the president. We’ve had slave owning and rapist presidents. Saying something controversial is minor league at best. Uh, back when slavery was legal and societal standards were lower. Try again. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2016, 10:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-winks-and-nods-to-the-second-amendment-people/762283/212 "2016-08-10T22:47:05Z")
> [@](#): > > Quoth **octopus** : > > Trump is not the problem. Hitler would have been nothing without the German people. So the question is how do you properly reeducate the people to be immune to populists? If anyone knew the answer to that question, we wouldn’t be at this point right now. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2016, 10:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-winks-and-nods-to-the-second-amendment-people/762283/213 "2016-08-10T22:47:42Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > THESE Trump supporters did not take it as a joke. And that’s all that matters. Someone who’s a nominee for president ought to know that not everyone will see it as a joke. And if someone can’t understand that, they’re simply not qualified for office. Sometimes I think Trump honestly is just an experiment to show how utterly fucking stupid the average American is and why we should scrap democracy. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2016, 10:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-winks-and-nods-to-the-second-amendment-people/762283/214 "2016-08-10T22:52:47Z")
Wait, I missed the page break. Did **octopus** really just claim that “not raping and enslaving” is a silly and arbitrary standard? ---
**Author:** ![MN\_Maenad](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e95f7d/32.png) [@MN\_Maenad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MN_Maenad)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2016, 11:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-winks-and-nods-to-the-second-amendment-people/762283/215 "2016-08-10T23:16:02Z")
Look! A new explanation! [Linky](http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/katrina-pierson-second-amendment-nra) Not even his own campaign can understand him. ---
**Author:** ![Ethilrist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ethilrist/32/4604_2.png) [@Ethilrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ethilrist)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2016, 11:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-winks-and-nods-to-the-second-amendment-people/762283/216 "2016-08-10T23:22:58Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > Someone who’s a nominee for president ought to know that not everyone will see it as a joke. And if someone can’t understand that, they’re simply not qualified for office. There’s even precedent for it… [“Will no one rid me of this meddlesome priest?”](http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/medieval-england/thomas-becket/) ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2016, 11:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-winks-and-nods-to-the-second-amendment-people/762283/217 "2016-08-10T23:34:35Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > THESE Trump supporters did not take it as a joke. And your proof for that is that someone posted it on the internet? Really?? You’re going to hang your hat on that? Now look, I’m more than wiling to believe (i.e., don’t need proof) that some nutty folks out there probably are thinking: \* Right on, Trump. You tell 'em!!!\* But don’t try and convince us of that with something you pulled off the internet. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2016, 11:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-winks-and-nods-to-the-second-amendment-people/762283/218 "2016-08-10T23:40:06Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > And your proof for that is that someone posted it on the internet? Really?? You’re going to hang your hat on that? > > Now look, I’m more than wiling to believe (i.e., don’t need proof) that some nutty folks out there probably are thinking: \* Right on, Trump. You tell 'em!!!\* But don’t try and convince us of that with something you pulled off the internet. I assume you’re indulging in irony here. After all, you presented your POV on on the internet, and I believe **you.** ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2016, 11:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-winks-and-nods-to-the-second-amendment-people/762283/219 "2016-08-10T23:43:35Z")
Well, if my 19th amendment solution to a Trump presidency doesn’t work, I plan on embracing the 21st for the next four years. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2016, 11:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-winks-and-nods-to-the-second-amendment-people/762283/220 "2016-08-10T23:46:38Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > If moral axioms were universal and people were purely rational than there would be consensus on what constitutes progress. But that’s not the state we find ourselves in. Therefore we see the success of those who offend. By “success” you mean “losing an election against the worst Democratic candidate in a generation,” right? Because that’s like Charlie Sheen tiger-blood winning, and I’m satisfied if that’s how Trump goes down. The fact that moral axioms aren’t universal does not signal their irrelevancy, despite what some college-dorm-level nihilism philosophy would suggest. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-winks-and-nods-to-the-second-amendment-people/762283.md?page=10) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-winks-and-nods-to-the-second-amendment-people/762283.md?page=12)