# Donald Trump winks and nods to the Second Amendment people **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [August 9, 2016, 10:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-winks-and-nods-to-the-second-amendment-people/762283 "2016-08-09T22:03:50Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 18
**Author:** ![john\_L](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/c2a13f/32.png) [@john\_L](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/john_L)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2016, 11:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-winks-and-nods-to-the-second-amendment-people/762283/341 "2016-08-11T23:10:47Z")
> [@tomndebb](#): > > **john L** will stop posting emoticons and everyone else will stop commenting on his behavior. > > Stick to the topic of the thread. > > [/Moderating] Mr. Tom… but they are trying to take my lunch money too. ha! no problem here. i prefer staying on topic . sorry if i got out of hand. ---
**Author:** ![digs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/digs/32/14889_2.png) [@digs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/digs)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2016, 11:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-winks-and-nods-to-the-second-amendment-people/762283/342 "2016-08-11T23:13:00Z")
Back on topic: I was Raised by Righties, and the moral game of Twister they have to play to vote for Trump is pathetic. These are “Christians” that I think are discovering they care more about their Fox-fueled hatred of Hillary than any kind of ethical, let alone moral, code. They are grimacing as they say “He was only joking…” And then the funny eye twitches start. ETA: My mom’s favorite line these days: “Well, he just says things…” (huh?) She’s banking on the “fact” that he won’t actually DO any of the things he promises he will. ---
**Author:** ![raventhief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/raventhief/32/4_2.png) [@raventhief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raventhief)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2016, 11:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-winks-and-nods-to-the-second-amendment-people/762283/343 "2016-08-11T23:18:54Z")
I’d love for the Secret Service to confirm or deny - directly, not via the Trumpster Fire - if they spoke to his campaign. He says they didn’t, and CNN is lying when they reported someone did speak to “his campaign.” ---
**Author:** ![raventhief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/raventhief/32/4_2.png) [@raventhief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raventhief)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2016, 11:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-winks-and-nods-to-the-second-amendment-people/762283/344 "2016-08-11T23:48:03Z")
I’ve been thinking about this a lot. I think that Trump ONLY respects violence and/force. Diplomacy has no place in his worldview. His remarks about protesters at his rallies - “they’d be carried out on a stretcher folks”- his campaign official who pulled a gun on a colleague and then got promoted, his apparent man-crush on Putin, if we have nukes why can’t we use them, even that song by those little girls (“deal from strength or be crushed every time!”) And of course this “joke.” The list goes on and on. When does he ever advocate a diplomatic approach? I imagine a lot of his supporters say they they admire his strength. But there’s strength, and then there’s psychotic behavior. ---
**Author:** ![Trinopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/2bfe46/32.png) [@Trinopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trinopus)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2016, 11:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-winks-and-nods-to-the-second-amendment-people/762283/345 "2016-08-11T23:53:04Z")
> [@raventhief](#): > > . . . I think that Trump ONLY respects violence and/force. Diplomacy has no place in his worldview. . . . Worse, he doesn’t respect anyone else’s strength. He always manipulates events so he’s the strongest one in the room. (Otherwise…he leaves the room.) He can’t actually “make deals.” He ramrods them. His way or the highway…for someone. He doesn’t understand compromise as a means of arriving at a less-than-perfect deal. He’s been a millionaire so long, he doesn’t accept any response but “Yes, sir.” And that isn’t an option for an actual national executive. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2016, 11:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-winks-and-nods-to-the-second-amendment-people/762283/346 "2016-08-11T23:53:47Z")
> [@john\_L](#): > > just "faux outrage " , as usual from lefties. > if "real danger " existed , you certainly wouldn’t continue broadcasting that danger, over-n-over. > [@scr4](#): > > So you are suggesting that the media have the **duty** to censor politicians, and refuse to broadcast anything they deem is a danger to the country? > [@john\_L](#): > > i’m **suggesting** exactly what i wrote. > [@scr4](#): > > I’ll take that as a yes. Don’t. He’s not suggesting that the media **SHOULD** censor politicians and refuse to broadcast anything they deem is a danger to the country. He’s suggesting that the media **DO** censor politicians and refuse to broadcast anything they deem is a danger to the country. Which is kind of wacky on its face. ETA: > [@john\_L](#): > > **try the " it ain’t real danger " interpretation.** 😃 Ergo; it ain’t real danger. :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![John\_DiFool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_difool/32/19543_2.png) [@John\_DiFool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_DiFool)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2016, 11:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-winks-and-nods-to-the-second-amendment-people/762283/347 "2016-08-11T23:59:01Z")
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**Author:** ![John\_DiFool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_difool/32/19543_2.png) [@John\_DiFool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_DiFool)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2016, 12:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-winks-and-nods-to-the-second-amendment-people/762283/348 "2016-08-12T00:00:46Z")
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**Author:** ![john\_L](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/c2a13f/32.png) [@john\_L](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/john_L)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2016, 12:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-winks-and-nods-to-the-second-amendment-people/762283/349 "2016-08-12T00:05:44Z")
> [@john\_L](#): > > Trump made the 2nd amendment remark everyone’s so upset about \*\*\*\*\*\*only once, \*\*\*\*\*\* before only 3,000 people in North Carolina. > > if it was so " dangerous " , shouldn’t it be the mass media that’s charged w/ inciting violence , since it’s them that’s repeated it over-n-over a zillion times, to a zillion folks , not trump ? kaylasdad , again , what i actually said. ---
**Author:** ![Measure\_for\_Measure](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/measure_for_measure/32/557_2.png) [@Measure\_for\_Measure](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Measure_for_Measure)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2016, 12:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-winks-and-nods-to-the-second-amendment-people/762283/350 "2016-08-12T00:06:45Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > How about folks in this thread saying his remarks can only be interpreted as assassination? I’ll take that position. Trump was alluding to assassination either in a joking fashion, as a dog whistle, or as a sociopath who knows but doesn’t care that some will interpret the remark in a violent manner. Mostly the first, epistemologically speaking. [Patti Davis](http://www.snopes.com/2016/08/11/patti-davis-denounces-trump/), Reagan’s daughter: [INDENT][INDENT] To Donald Trump: I am the daughter of a man who was shot by someone who got his inspiration from a movie, someone who believed if he killed the President the actress from that movie would notice him. Your glib and horrifying comment about “Second Amendment people” was heard around the world. It was heard by sane and decent people who shudder at your fondness for verbal violence. It was heard by your supporters, many of whom gleefully and angrily yell, “Lock her up!” at your rallies. It was heard by the person sitting alone in a room, locked in his own dark fantasies, who sees unbridled violence as a way to make his mark in the world, and is just looking for ideas. Yes, Mr. Trump, words matter. But then you know that, which makes this all even more horrifying. [/INDENT][/INDENT] What the remark wasn’t was a call that gun enthusiasts should GOTV. Because otherwise Trump wouldn’t follow his call to arms with “that would be a horrible day.” His hand-picked audience members seated behind him treated it as a naughty joke, judging from the expressions on their faces. They weren’t fooled. It’s only lame spinner-meisters who take other interpretations, at least in RL media forums. [James Fallows](http://www.theatlantic.com/notes/2016/08/trump-time-capsule-73-the-second-amendment-people/495209/): [INDENT][INDENT]Noted for the record: Today, August 9, 2016, was the day the Republican standard-bearer made a joke in public about his Democratic rival possibly being shot to death: To the best of my knowledge, this has not happened before in modern times. [/INDENT][/INDENT] Some will say, “Ah well - Trump will be Trump.” I say the tendency to normalize sociopathic or violent deviancy should be resisted. This election is a test of character. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2016, 12:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-winks-and-nods-to-the-second-amendment-people/762283/351 "2016-08-12T00:11:57Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > Same trick as **octopus** , huh? Say something both outrageous and slightly ambiguous, and when people paraphrase, rather than clarify any misunderstanding, turn the whole thing into an argument about whether their paraphrase is accurate. > > It’s a ridiculous way to carry on a discussion, but at least it keeps you from having to confront the implications of your ideas, so there’s that. That’s just not true. You can’t quote something outrageous so you make it up and put the burden of proof on the other person. It’s not hard to copy and paste on this forum the fact that you and Chornos both make the same unsubstantiated claim and try to pass it as fact is intellectually dishonest. Why paraphrase when you can directly quote? Unless it serves a purpose why go through the extra work? Notice, I quoted you and responded to the quote. That is much different than me typing up a misleading “paraphrase” and responding to that. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2016, 12:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-winks-and-nods-to-the-second-amendment-people/762283/352 "2016-08-12T00:14:20Z")
> [@Flyer](#): > > Large sections of the government, both feds, and many states, have been assiduously and continuously trying to do away with the 2nd Amendment ever since the National Firearms Act of 1934. > > By the way– > I wish I could remember who wrote this: “The quickest way to get a reputation as a dangerous person is to go around repeating things that the Founding Fathers said.” [Charles A. Beard, historian, apparently (second quotation on the page).](https://books.google.com/books?id=_LEDaG86v08C&pg=PA61&lpg=PA61&dq=The+quickest+way+to+get+a+reputation+as+a+dangerous+person+is+to+go+around+repeating+things+that+the+Founding+Fathers+said.&source=bl&ots=sTvwmyPYth&sig=cJd3oAKZeu3nfdbkE9wMktYiHoU&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiVjbueybrOAhVIwWMKHcA2CrQQ6AEISzAI#v=onepage&q=The%20quickest%20way%20to%20get%20a%20reputation%20as%20a%20dangerous%20person%20is%20to%20go%20around%20repeating%20things%20that%20the%20Founding%20Fathers%20said.&f=false) From a quick skim of the [wikipedia article](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_A._Beard) on him, I gather that he himself was the guy who got the reputation, and the way he got it was by propounding a view of the history of the founding of the country through what could be interpreted as a lens of economic class conflict. As opposed to a Manichaean struggle of good v. evil. ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2016, 12:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-winks-and-nods-to-the-second-amendment-people/762283/353 "2016-08-12T00:24:59Z")
I’m going to reiterate Tom’s ‘calm down everyone’. Next personal shot - of any sort - earns a warning. So do any after that. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2016, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-winks-and-nods-to-the-second-amendment-people/762283/354 "2016-08-12T00:25:49Z")
[https://mobile.twitter.com/wikileaks/status/763380671796678656/video/1](https://mobile.twitter.com/wikileaks/status/763380671796678656/video/1) How about this for direct calls to violence? What standards should this man be held to? This is more egregious than Trump and what media outrage did this generate? ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2016, 12:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-winks-and-nods-to-the-second-amendment-people/762283/355 "2016-08-12T00:40:21Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > [x.com](https://mobile.twitter.com/wikileaks/status/763380671796678656/video/1) > > How about this for direct calls to violence? What standards should this man be held to? This is more egregious than Trump and what media outrage did this generate? Is he running for president? He was wrong. He was certainly as much of a hyperbolic ass as Trump is. I certainly hope he was taken aside by members of his organization and chastised. He was not running for president. He was not talking about another presidential candidate. (And there are laws regarding threats on the president. If there is a specific law regarding calls for the military to be used to assassinate someone, I would have no problem with him being charged–although Trump and a dozen Religious Right preachers and a few Right Wing politicians and pundits would be subject to the same law if it exists.) Assange is free to sue him in court. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2016, 12:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-winks-and-nods-to-the-second-amendment-people/762283/356 "2016-08-12T00:42:18Z")
> [@Steve\_MB](#): > > It’s hopeless to expect the Republicans to nominate anyone who isn’t a clown, but could they at least go for more Clarabelle and Bozo and Ronald McDonald and less Pennywise and Joker and Sideshow Bob? Stolen and Facebooked. ---
**Author:** ![raventhief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/raventhief/32/4_2.png) [@raventhief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raventhief)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2016, 12:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-winks-and-nods-to-the-second-amendment-people/762283/357 "2016-08-12T00:48:59Z")
> [@tomndebb](#): > > Is he running for president? > > He was wrong. He was certainly as much of a hyperbolic ass as Trump is. I certainly hope he was taken aside by members of his organization and chastised. > > He was not running for president. > He was not talking about another presidential candidate. (And there are laws regarding threats on the president. If there is a specific law regarding calls for the military to be used to assassinate someone, I would have no problem with him being charged–although Trump and a dozen Religious Right preachers and a few Right Wing politicians and pundits would be subject to the same law if it exists.) > Assange is free to sue him in court. That’s awful for that advisor guy to have said that. I certainly won’t vote for him in November! His boss…yeah, I’m voting for her. And this was less “will no one rid our country of this troublesome candidate” and more “Black Ops ought to take him out.” Isn’t Assange Australian? Does he have citizenship? Doesn’t treason require acting against your own nation? ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2016, 12:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-winks-and-nods-to-the-second-amendment-people/762283/358 "2016-08-12T00:55:31Z")
> [@tomndebb](#): > > Is he running for president? > > He was wrong. He was certainly as much of a hyperbolic ass as Trump is. I certainly hope he was taken aside by members of his organization and chastised. > > He was not running for president. > He was not talking about another presidential candidate. (And there are laws regarding threats on the president. If there is a specific law regarding calls for the military to be used to assassinate someone, I would have no problem with him being charged–although Trump and a dozen Religious Right preachers and a few Right Wing politicians and pundits would be subject to the same law if it exists.) > Assange is free to sue him in court. Of course the situations aren’t strictly equivalent. But to think that in a country where the president has the power to drone strike and the police behave as they do a few words said in jest doesn’t strike me as an outrageous escalation of jerkish behavior. The problem is it was Trump a republican, at the moment, who said this. So the left gets excited. Where was this excitement from the left when the Reverend Jesse Jackson was in the mood to castrate Obama? Standards? Our collective acceptance of what our “tribe” does shows the hypocrisy in demanding standards of the other side. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2016, 12:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-winks-and-nods-to-the-second-amendment-people/762283/359 "2016-08-12T00:58:44Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > When you aspire to the presidency, you’re responsible both for what you say and what people hear. If he cannot speak with clarity and cannot resist being bombastic then he is unfit for the job that he seeks. He doesn’t even need to go that far. Being a Republican makes him unfit for the job he seeks. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2016, 1:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-winks-and-nods-to-the-second-amendment-people/762283/360 "2016-08-12T01:01:52Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > The “horrible day” thing confirms, IMO, that Trump was talking about violence. Why else would it be a “horrible day” if “2nd Amendment people” take some action in opposition to Hillary Clinton? Well, if them voting against her resulted in the election of Trump, it _would_ be a horrible day. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-winks-and-nods-to-the-second-amendment-people/762283.md?page=17) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-winks-and-nods-to-the-second-amendment-people/762283.md?page=19)