# Donald Trump winks and nods to the Second Amendment people **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [August 9, 2016, 10:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-winks-and-nods-to-the-second-amendment-people/762283 "2016-08-09T22:03:50Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 21
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2016, 7:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-winks-and-nods-to-the-second-amendment-people/762283/401 "2016-08-12T19:51:14Z")
> [@Monocracy](#): > > August 1 > “She’s the devil.” > > August 5 > “She’s a monster.” > > August 9 > “Hillary wants to abolish, essentially abolish, the Second Amendment. By the way, and if she gets to pick --if she gets to pick her judges, nothing you can do, folks. Although the Second Amendment people, maybe there is, I don’t know.” > > August 9 > “She said about me not so long ago, my tone, she said I don’t like his tone […] I think it’s time maybe for a little tougher tone, folks, in all fairness. Time for a tougher tone.” > > Trump is not an idiot. > He is not joking. > He is not speaking off the cuff. > He is building a frightening narrative using dangerous rhetoric. > > This is the point where he has stepped over the line. He and his followers are really starting to scare me. And of course: August 10 and 11 Hillary Clinton is the co-founder of terrorist organization ISIS. I agree with you: he is building the case to his followers that she must be assassinated. He has reached the point at which, he believes, this is the _only_ outcome that can save him from the humiliation awaiting him on November 8, and he is determined that it will happen. ---
**Author:** ![Try2B\_Comprehensive](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/try2b_comprehensive/32/65_2.png) [@Try2B\_Comprehensive](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Try2B_Comprehensive)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2016, 1:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-winks-and-nods-to-the-second-amendment-people/762283/402 "2016-08-13T01:04:11Z")
**octopus** : The 2nd Amendment is not and never was intended as sanctioning armed revolt against the US government, let alone assassinating politicians or political opponents. It was intended to preserve slavery. [cite](http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/13890-the-second-amendment-was-ratified-to-preserve-slavery). I don’t say that as a springboard into an argument about why guns should be confiscated or any similar point- I’m not interested in that kind of thing personally. I just wish right-wingers would drop the tired, false meme that they have some kind of constitutional right to start murdering people if they don’t like the way political winds are blowing, because that is an utterly false and bankrupt idea sold to you by people who are yanking your chain. ---
**Author:** ![Trinopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/2bfe46/32.png) [@Trinopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trinopus)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2016, 2:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-winks-and-nods-to-the-second-amendment-people/762283/403 "2016-08-13T02:04:56Z")
> [@Try2B\_Comprehensive](#): > > . . . The 2nd Amendment is not and never was intended as sanctioning armed revolt against the US government, let alone assassinating politicians or political opponents. . . . George Washington, suppressing the Whisky Rebellion, would certainly have laughed to think that the Second Amendment was designed to stymie him! (Of course, to his credit, he suppressed the rebellion…but did not disarm the regions he took control of. Also pardoned the rebels. We were really lucky in our choice of first President!) ---
**Author:** ![aurora\_maire](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aurora_maire/32/328_2.png) [@aurora\_maire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aurora_maire)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2016, 2:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-winks-and-nods-to-the-second-amendment-people/762283/404 "2016-08-13T02:36:11Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > Getting nuked back would not be any fun. I honestly think that Trump doesn’t understand that. He actually asked why we make nuclear bombs if we can’t use them. As if they are just another conventional weapon. Anyone who asks that question does not understand the power of an atomic bomb or the consequences of using one. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2016, 2:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-winks-and-nods-to-the-second-amendment-people/762283/405 "2016-08-13T02:51:22Z")
In any event, Trump probably believes that if America got nuked, _he’d_ survive just fine. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2016, 4:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-winks-and-nods-to-the-second-amendment-people/762283/406 "2016-08-13T04:12:42Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > In any event, Trump probably believes that if America got nuked, _he’d_ survive just fine. The greatest bunker. Deeper than any other bunker. YUGE bunker? Hilary’s bunker? People say it’s just a hole, just a hole she dug. Not even concrete. Sad! ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2016, 4:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-winks-and-nods-to-the-second-amendment-people/762283/407 "2016-08-13T04:17:04Z")
I didn’t think cockroaches needed bunkers to survive a nuke. ---
**Author:** ![Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kolak_of_twilo/32/73_2.png) [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolak_of_Twilo)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2016, 5:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-winks-and-nods-to-the-second-amendment-people/762283/408 "2016-08-13T05:04:53Z")
> [@Happy\_Lendervedder](#): > > I didn’t think cockroaches needed bunkers to survive a nuke. For the win… ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2016, 6:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-winks-and-nods-to-the-second-amendment-people/762283/409 "2016-08-13T06:38:28Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > Look, I agree: it’s a terrible idea to tamper with primaries the way some folks talked about doing. Those folks bear some of the responsibility. Since I obviously “resemble this remark”, let me ask you: would Hillary, with her sky high unfavorable rating, be eight points ahead of a normal Republican nominee? Would the GOP be tearing itself apart, panicking at its gloomy downballot prospects? So I will gladly take responsibility, but it’s called “credit” where I come from. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Princhester](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3e96dc/32.png) [@Princhester](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Princhester)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2016, 11:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-winks-and-nods-to-the-second-amendment-people/762283/410 "2016-08-13T11:03:27Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > And of course: > > August 10 and 11 > Hillary Clinton is the co-founder of terrorist organization ISIS. > > I agree with you: he is building the case to his followers that she must be assassinated. He has reached the point at which, he believes, this is the _only_ outcome that can save him from the humiliation awaiting him on November 8, and he is determined that it will happen. If Clinton is assassinated by some right wing gun nut before an election her replacement would walk it in wouldn’t they? For all that there are those who don’t like her, I think the revulsion for the assassination and the thought that Trump encouraged it would drive anyone slightly moderate away from Trmp in droves. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2016, 1:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-winks-and-nods-to-the-second-amendment-people/762283/411 "2016-08-13T13:42:21Z")
> [@john\_L](#): > > when & if i need your tutelage , i’ll let ya know. 😃 That’s highly unlikely. ---
**Author:** ![coremelt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/4491bb/32.png) [@coremelt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/coremelt)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2016, 2:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-winks-and-nods-to-the-second-amendment-people/762283/412 "2016-08-13T14:21:08Z")
> [@Princhester](#): > > If Clinton is assassinated by some right wing gun nut before an election her replacement would walk it in wouldn’t they? For all that there are those who don’t like her, I think the revulsion for the assassination and the thought that Trump encouraged it would drive anyone slightly moderate away from Trmp in droves. I have every faith that the Secret Service can protect Clinton from lone nuts, but in the extremely unlikely event that she was killed or injured so badly that she had to withdraw then I think Tim Kaine would win in a land slide. In fact I think even a well publicised failed attempt on clinton’s life stopped by the secret service would also result in a an increased vote for the Democrats. The real danger is that Trump is not rational so he may not realise the above. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2016, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-winks-and-nods-to-the-second-amendment-people/762283/413 "2016-08-13T18:52:08Z")
> [@coremelt](#): > > IThe real danger is that Trump is not rational so he may not realise the above. This is my surmise, as well. I would be curious to know if his adult children are encouraging or discouraging the ‘de-humanize Hillary and make the case that killing her would be a righteous act’ tactic that Trump seems bent on continuing. At least _one_ of those kids must have an IQ higher than their father’s (due to the phenomenon of regression toward the mean). ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2016, 8:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-winks-and-nods-to-the-second-amendment-people/762283/414 "2016-08-13T20:48:12Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > Since I obviously “resemble this remark”, let me ask you: would Hillary, with her sky high unfavorable rating, be eight points ahead of a normal Republican nominee? Would the GOP be tearing itself apart, panicking at its gloomy downballot prospects? > > So I will gladly take responsibility, but it’s called “credit” where I come from. 😛 Which is perfectly fine. But then those who encouraged, approved of, or participated in such manipulation are hypocrites to cry about it now. ---
**Author:** ![Measure\_for\_Measure](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/measure_for_measure/32/557_2.png) [@Measure\_for\_Measure](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Measure_for_Measure)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2016, 9:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-winks-and-nods-to-the-second-amendment-people/762283/415 "2016-08-13T21:21:34Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > Which is perfectly fine. But then those who encouraged, approved of, or participated in such manipulation are hypocrites to cry about it now. To be clear, SlackerInc ended up not participating in that manipulation. He did propose and advocate it, before he backed off. > [@SlackerInc](#): > > Since I obviously “resemble this remark”, let me ask you: would Hillary, with her sky high unfavorable rating, be eight points ahead of a normal Republican nominee? Would the GOP be tearing itself apart, panicking at its gloomy downballot prospects? Someone pointed out on twitter that if the GOP base wasn’t crazy, they wouldn’t have nominated an outsider like Trump, but they also wouldn’t have drummed up a string of phony attack stories on Hillary, starting with murder allegations regarding Vince Foster. Or witchhunts and stories of phony scandals that don’t survive scrutiny. Under that scenario Hillary would have also been a strong candidate. So she would have been strong either way. The role of election tampering in 2016 of course has been trivial. 60% of the GOP primary vote consistently was directed at outsiders. The pro-sanity faction was a minority: establishment types together hovered around 20%. If Trump was the only unsuitable candidate, the GOP establishment could have ganged up on him. But Cruz and Carson were also unacceptable. So they were stuck. ETA: Wow. A couple of months later, we can evaluate the SlackerInc case with greater clarity. Trump has about 20% odds of victory. In August. That’s too high. Next time around we should bear that in mind. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Stamos\_Left\_Ear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_stamos_left_ear/32/3198_2.png) [@John\_Stamos\_Left\_Ear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Stamos_Left_Ear)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2016, 3:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-winks-and-nods-to-the-second-amendment-people/762283/416 "2016-08-14T03:11:19Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > The left’s own Bernie Bros were fascist by your definitions. And the toxicity they exhibited towards Clinton and her supporters was very nasty. Double standards. I think it’s cute that you attempt to make the case for equivalency between what **asahi** posted… > [@asahi](#): > > I’ve noticed ever since the 1992 election the increasingly extreme reactions among the right wing in this country to defeats at the ballot box. Going back to Bill Clinton, they argued that he wasn’t really a true president because only 40-42 percent of people voted for him. That perception of illegitimacy festered and eventually developed into the hiring of an independent investigator, which then resulted in no charges about any of the original allegations (Whitewater and sexual harassment) but turned into a full-blown impeachment scandal…over a blowjob. Fast forward to 2009 and you have allegations that Obama’s a closet Muslim and that he’s working with Al Qaeda. And now this outrageous stream of comments. There are probably numerous people out there right now who would try to argue that they would be justified using violence. …and Bernie Bros. asahi notes decades of Republican toxicity. Likely many of the “Bernie Bros” were not even born yet when it started. They have literally spent their whole life seeing toxicity from Republicans yet somehow they are somehow equally culpable for playing politics the way they have seen the opposition party operate. More importantly, Bernie _lost_. The Republicans that spent a quarter century were the ones who won elections. Newt Gingrich was an instigator and he was still relevant enough to run for President this year. The people who impeached Bill Clinton over a blowjob and the people who claimed Obama was a Kenyan Muslim terrorist sympathizer were elected Senators and House Republicans, not college kids in their first election. The people who spitefully caused millions of poor people to not take advantage of the Medicaid Expansion because they had to stick it to Obama were not disillusioned lefties with zero power, they were elected governors making policy. Yes, what a minority of Bernie Sanders supporters did at various times this election season were pretty terrible. But to compare what they did to the 25 year reign of actual elected officials is a terrible equivalency. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Stamos\_Left\_Ear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_stamos_left_ear/32/3198_2.png) [@John\_Stamos\_Left\_Ear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Stamos_Left_Ear)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2016, 3:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-winks-and-nods-to-the-second-amendment-people/762283/417 "2016-08-14T03:25:02Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > I believe her point was that there are crazy people in the world, and it does not take much to set them off on a path to violence. Perhaps public figures should think before they speak, and not actually say things which may well be taken to encourage violence against political foes. > > This does not seem particularly “dumb” to me. > [@magellan01](#): > > Well, I guess we shouldn’t make movies or say anything, because, you know, some crazy loon might think the message is to don a scuba suit, grab a bow and arrow and hunt down people with freckles. I am not sure what is more dumb about this statement - the fact that you compare an actual Presidential candidate’s real life statements to unambiguous works of fiction or that you are so utterly ignorant of the many, many cases where movies, TV shows, rap music, heavy metal music, video games and other forms of entertainment are criticized for inciting violence. ---
**Author:** ![MacTech](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c0e974/32.png) [@MacTech](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MacTech)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2016, 8:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-winks-and-nods-to-the-second-amendment-people/762283/418 "2016-08-17T20:45:09Z")
This Second Amendment Person here (Me) certainly won’t be voting for hilliarry… But I won’t be voting for trump either, I loathe them both, trump is insane, and hilliarry is no friend to the 2nd Amendment either ---
**Author:** ![DWMarch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dwmarch/32/1010_2.png) [@DWMarch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DWMarch)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2016, 8:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-winks-and-nods-to-the-second-amendment-people/762283/419 "2016-08-18T08:33:27Z")
> [@MacTech](#): > > hilliarry is no friend to the 2nd Amendment either It doesn’t matter though. She can’t take your guns away. Obama has been President during some of the worst massacres in US history and all he gets to do is make speeches about how terrible it is that all he can do is make speeches. The president has no control over the laws or lack thereof surrounding guns. ---
**Author:** ![Princhester](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3e96dc/32.png) [@Princhester](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Princhester)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2016, 8:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-winks-and-nods-to-the-second-amendment-people/762283/420 "2016-08-18T08:56:07Z")
> [@MacTech](#): > > This Second Amendment Person here (Me) certainly won’t be voting for hilliarry… > > But I won’t be voting for trump either, I loathe them both, trump is insane, and hilliarry is no friend to the 2nd Amendment either So you would rather risk having an insane president than vote for someone who probably isn’t pro-gun (and may even be anti-) but is at least sane and can’t do anything about the 2nd amendment anyway? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-winks-and-nods-to-the-second-amendment-people/762283.md?page=20) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-winks-and-nods-to-the-second-amendment-people/762283.md?page=22)