# Donald Trump winks and nods to the Second Amendment people **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [August 9, 2016, 10:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-winks-and-nods-to-the-second-amendment-people/762283 "2016-08-09T22:03:50Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![D\_Anconia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@D\_Anconia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Anconia)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2016, 2:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-winks-and-nods-to-the-second-amendment-people/762283/121 "2016-08-10T14:43:47Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > There is the vicious and increasingly violent reaction to opposition or people who simply appear at a rally out of protest. And ordinary politicians either encourage and justify the violence, or they pretend that it’s an aberration. Do you mean like this? > **[Trump Supporter Gets Crowbar Beating Because Of T-Shirt: Police](https://patch.com/new-jersey/montclair/n-j-trump-supporter-gets-crowbar-beating-because-t-shirt-police)** > > The Trump supporter told cops that a man followed him into a Friendly's parking lot and smashed him repeatedly with a crowbar. ---
**Author:** ![Nonsuch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/nonsuch/32/2922_2.png) [@Nonsuch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nonsuch)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2016, 2:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-winks-and-nods-to-the-second-amendment-people/762283/122 "2016-08-10T14:48:39Z")
> [@D\_Anconia](#): > > Do you mean like this? > > [Trump Supporter Gets Crowbar Beating Because Of T-Shirt: Police | Montclair, NJ Patch](http://patch.com/new-jersey/montclair/n-j-trump-supporter-gets-crowbar-beating-because-t-shirt-police) That is a despicable action, but the comparison doesn’t apply. Hillary Clinton does not appeal to her supporters through violent rhetoric. Trump has a [well-documented history](http://mashable.com/2016/03/12/trump-rally-incite-violence/) of doing just that. ---
**Author:** ![commasense](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/commasense/32/3017_2.png) [@commasense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/commasense)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2016, 3:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-winks-and-nods-to-the-second-amendment-people/762283/123 "2016-08-10T15:10:17Z")
I am _ **so** _ looking forward to a time when I can go a day, or a few days, without hearing or reading the name Trump anywhere. Perhaps there is a Second Amendment solution for this problem, too. (By which I obviously mean that patriotic Second Amendment supporters will help defeat him in November. 🆒) ---
**Author:** ![madmonk28](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madmonk28/32/20811_2.png) [@madmonk28](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madmonk28)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2016, 3:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-winks-and-nods-to-the-second-amendment-people/762283/124 "2016-08-10T15:12:07Z")
> [@D\_Anconia](#): > > Do you mean like this? > > [Trump Supporter Gets Crowbar Beating Because Of T-Shirt: Police | Montclair, NJ Patch](http://patch.com/new-jersey/montclair/n-j-trump-supporter-gets-crowbar-beating-because-t-shirt-police) While the attack is terrible, it happened on the street and not at a Clinton campaign event. Protesters are routinely attacked at Trump events and Trump himself has called for the use of violence on them. There is no such rhetoric coming from Clinton or her staff. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2016, 3:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-winks-and-nods-to-the-second-amendment-people/762283/125 "2016-08-10T15:15:32Z")
> [@commasense](#): > > I am _ **so** _ looking forward to a time when I can go a day, or a few days, without hearing or reading the name Trump anywhere. Perhaps there is a Second Amendment solution for this problem, too. > > (By which I obviously mean that patriotic Second Amendment supporters will help defeat him in November. 🆒) I would not say that, even in obvious jest. I want Trump to see himself become a laughingstock and one of the biggest losers in electoral history. ---
**Author:** ![Merneith](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/57b2e6/32.png) [@Merneith](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merneith)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2016, 3:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-winks-and-nods-to-the-second-amendment-people/762283/126 "2016-08-10T15:33:07Z")
> [@Chefguy](#): > > Just to put things a bit more in perspective: I’m sure most everyone remembers Palin’s campaign superimposing actual crosshairs on people they thought were anti second amendment. One of them was Gabby Giffords. Yeah, I’ve been thinking about that. Also the murder of pro-EU Member of Parliament, Jo Cox, by a Brexit fan who claimed in court that his name was “Death to traitors - freedom for Britain”. ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2016, 3:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-winks-and-nods-to-the-second-amendment-people/762283/127 "2016-08-10T15:41:20Z")
> [@commasense](#): > > I am _ **so** _ looking forward to a time when I can go a day, or a few days, without hearing or reading the name Trump anywhere. Perhaps there is a Second Amendment solution for this problem, too. > > (By which I obviously mean that patriotic Second Amendment supporters will help defeat him in November. 🆒) Dude, not funny. Anyway, I want him to live long enough to see various conjugations of “Trump” become a common word pertaining to displays of sociopathy and/or buffoonery. ---
**Author:** ![Fiddle\_Peghead](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fiddle_peghead/32/3506_2.png) [@Fiddle\_Peghead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiddle_Peghead)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2016, 3:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-winks-and-nods-to-the-second-amendment-people/762283/128 "2016-08-10T15:49:10Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > [Secretary of the Department of Trump Apologists, Rudy Giuliani, explains](http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/290933-giuliani-on-trumps-2nd-amendment-comments-he-meant-you) Trump’s 2nd amendment statement. We can all relax now. Poor Rudy. He still thinks he could be Attorney General some day. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2016, 4:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-winks-and-nods-to-the-second-amendment-people/762283/129 "2016-08-10T16:17:45Z")
> [@Fiddle\_Peghead](#): > > Poor Rudy. He still thinks he could be Attorney General some day. Does this guy age 5 years every year or what? He’s starting to look like he’s walking around just to save on funeral expenses. Let’s go back to the quote: > [@](#): > > “By the way, if she gets to pick her judges, nothing you can do, folks. Although the Second Amendment people, maybe there is. But I’ll tell you what: that will be a horrible day." So he’s postulating a Hillary win and saying there’s nothing that can be done to stop her from picking judges. Except for 2nd amendment people my have a way. Obvious to me that he advocates shooting somebody, particularly when the next sentence says how horrible that would be. Would getting gun nuts energized to vote be a horrible day from his point of view? Not hardly. He’s saying “boy, it sure would be horrible if we had to kill her”. He sounds like Don Trump, head of the Trump syndicate. What’s next, leaving a horse’s head in Hillary’s bed? ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2016, 4:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-winks-and-nods-to-the-second-amendment-people/762283/130 "2016-08-10T16:31:20Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > Exactly. What Trump said is clear: > > IF she gets to pick her judges. > Nothing you can do. > > This is CLEARLY referring to a situation where Clinton has been elected. > > “Although the Second Amendment people, maybe there is” > > So AFTER she is elected, the “second amendment people” can prevent her from appointing judges. How would they do this, hmmmmm? Clearly not by voting - that has already taken place. There is only ONE SINGLE interpretation of this. Anyone who tries to spin this another way is just as guilty as Trump. Oh really? ONE SINGLE interpretation? Even though another has already been given? I’m no Trump fan (though I will be voting for him over Clinton), but this rush to take every single thing he says and cast it in the worst possible light is both tiresome and comical. Like he really was hinting that someone should assassinate Clinton. :smack: :eek: Someone who is actually going to vote for Trump?!!! Yes, that’s correct, Mrs. Kael. ---
**Author:** ![GrandWino](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/grandwino/32/67_2.png) [@GrandWino](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GrandWino)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2016, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-winks-and-nods-to-the-second-amendment-people/762283/131 "2016-08-10T16:34:14Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > Reading his speech for fuller context, I came across this bit, a couple sentences before “First Amendment people”: > > “Bigly”? What the fuck. He really does have the best words. :rolleyes: I actually saw an article about the “bigly” thing and the assumption is that he is really saying “Big league” and is just terrible at enunciating it. ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2016, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-winks-and-nods-to-the-second-amendment-people/762283/132 "2016-08-10T16:34:22Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > Let’s go back to the quote: > So he’s postulating a Hillary win and saying there’s nothing that can be done to stop her from picking judges. Except for 2nd amendment people my have a way. Obvious to me that he advocates shooting somebody, particularly when the next sentence says how horrible that would be. Would getting gun nuts energized to vote be a horrible day from his point of view? Not hardly. He’s saying “boy, it sure would be horrible if we had to kill her”. He sounds like Don Trump, head of the Trump syndicate. What’s next, leaving a horse’s head in Hillary’s bed? Unless he was referring to her being elected, of course. Sigh. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2016, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-winks-and-nods-to-the-second-amendment-people/762283/133 "2016-08-10T16:34:52Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > Oh really? ONE SINGLE interpretation? Even though another has already been given? When you aspire to the presidency, you’re responsible both for what you say and what people hear. If he cannot speak with clarity and cannot resist being bombastic then he is unfit for the job that he seeks. ---
**Author:** ![JSexton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/96bed5/32.png) [@JSexton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JSexton)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2016, 4:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-winks-and-nods-to-the-second-amendment-people/762283/134 "2016-08-10T16:36:42Z")
> [@I\_Love\_Me\_Vol.I](#): > > _(Bolding mine)_ > No. Wrong. > > He was ABSOLUTELY suggesting that someone murder Clinton. However, I don’t believe that he intended for someone to actually go and do that, or that he would be happy with that happening. I don’t believe that he actually hopes and wants someone to kill her. > > That’s the problem! He has no control over what he says and does! He only speaks from the hip. He doesn’t think about what he is saying before he says it. He just blurts out horrible, insane shit like this all the time and he gets a pass on it. Can you imagine Romney or Obama saying that about each other in 2012 or any candidate in any presidential election ever saying that? It’d be the end of the world!! > > He WAS suggesting that someone should assassinate Hillary. He just isn’t even aware of what he says until after he says it, and then he doesn’t even care. > > (understatement of the century coming up) People like that just can not be elected mayor, much less President of the USA. I am agreeing with you. That’s what I meant by genuine, it wasn’t a sincere desire to see it happen, just the sort of dumb thing he says cause he thinks it’s funny. But in the long run, it really doesn’t matter what his intent is. Either way, it’s going to have the same effect on his followers. ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2016, 4:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-winks-and-nods-to-the-second-amendment-people/762283/135 "2016-08-10T16:37:21Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > When you aspire to the presidency, you’re responsible both for what you say and what people hear. If he cannot speak with clarity and cannot resist being bombastic then he is unfit for the job that he seeks. To a degree, yes. But that doesn’t mean that every time people take what you say and put it through the Super-Duper Worst Possible Meaning Translator, that it is expressing reality. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2016, 4:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-winks-and-nods-to-the-second-amendment-people/762283/136 "2016-08-10T16:43:25Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > To a degree, yes. But that doesn’t mean that every time people take what you say and put it through the Super-Duper Worst Possible Meaning Translator, that it is expressing reality. Not surprisingly, from my point of view it seems that it must be viewed through a set of carefully adjusted prisms not to appear as a call for violence and murder. ---
**Author:** ![JSexton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/96bed5/32.png) [@JSexton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JSexton)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2016, 4:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-winks-and-nods-to-the-second-amendment-people/762283/137 "2016-08-10T16:43:43Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > Unless he was referring to her being elected, of course. > > Sigh. To believe that, you have to ask two questions: One, why single out 2nd Amendment folks, specifically? Why not appeal to anti-abortionists, or other folks who have a lot riding on Supreme Court Justice nominations? Why not appeal to the base in general? Invoking the 2nd Amendment here has a very specific meaning. And second, he followed the statement with “and that would be a horrible day.” Which is a weird thing to say about your supporters getting out and voting, but it’s a reasonable thing to say after you just realized you suggested political assassination. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2016, 4:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-winks-and-nods-to-the-second-amendment-people/762283/138 "2016-08-10T16:50:10Z")
The “horrible day” thing confirms, IMO, that Trump was talking about violence. Why else would it be a “horrible day” if “2nd Amendment people” take some action in opposition to Hillary Clinton? ---
**Author:** ![Kent\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kent_clark/32/105_2.png) [@Kent\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kent_Clark)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2016, 4:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-winks-and-nods-to-the-second-amendment-people/762283/139 "2016-08-10T16:52:25Z")
> [@Merneith](#): > > Here’s an article at Salon from a couple years ago, about the Wanted poster put out in Dallas six months before JFK’s assassination = > [JFK Assassination: Flyer distributed in Dallas by Edwin Walker's group before his visit](http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_vault/2013/11/15/jfk_assassination_flyer_distributed_in_dallas_by_edwin_walker_s_group_before.html) > > There’s an image of the flyer there. > > The image is a mugshot-style front and profile shot of JFK above the words “Wanted for Treason”. > > The guy who put it out, General Edwin Walker, was a right-wing loon who was fired for violating the Hatch Act, by distributing John Birch Society literature to his troops. He moved to Dallas and distributed this poster in April, 1963. > > The complaints on the poster are almost word-for-word the sort of shit you hear from right-wing terrorists today about Obama and Hillary Clinton: > > Here’s the text of the JFK wanted poster: > > The only real difference between Walker and Trump is that Walker would have thought Trump was a commie-lover. You didn’t mention one extremely important point. Lee Oswald tried to shoot Edwin Walker, also six months before he shot Kennedy. What do Theodore Roosevelt, Robert Kennedy, George Wallace and Ronald Reagan have in common? They all inspired populist fervor. And they all got shot by some loony. ---
**Author:** ![Malthus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/85f322/32.png) [@Malthus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malthus)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2016, 4:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-winks-and-nods-to-the-second-amendment-people/762283/140 "2016-08-10T16:52:47Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > To a degree, yes. But that doesn’t mean that every time people take what you say and put it through the Super-Duper Worst Possible Meaning Translator, that it is expressing reality. I can’t see a non-offensive interpretation to what he said. Suggesting it simply meant voting her out doesn’t pass the laugh test. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-winks-and-nods-to-the-second-amendment-people/762283.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-winks-and-nods-to-the-second-amendment-people/762283.md?page=8)