# Donald Trump's 2016 General Election Campaign **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [May 4, 2016, 2:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901 "2016-05-04T02:37:34Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 110
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2016, 12:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901/2182 "2016-07-03T00:50:24Z")
> [@Fenris](#): > > I _am_ a Jew and I loathe Trump. > > That said, it’s not remotely a Star of David. Not all 6 pointed stars are. If it was yellow? Yeah, I’d say there was something to it. If it was two overlapping triangle-outlines, yeah, something to it. > > Unless you think that > [John Wayne in “Rio Bravo”](http://www.indianvillagemall.com/2013badges/johnwaynetxsheriff.jpg) > [John Wayne in “True Grit”](http://www.indianvillagemall.com/2013badges/trudegrittbadge.jpg) > [Roy Rodgers in “Sons of the Pioneers”](http://www.indianvillagemall.com/2013badges/royrogersbadge.jpg) > and > Ronald Reagan in “Law and Order” (can’t get the link to work) > > were all making some profound statement about Judaism. > > Look–Trump has made a number of anti-Semitic statements. Non-Jews deciding to throw themselves into tizzy of outrage over the one time he _didn’t_ do it isn’t helping. … I am a Jew FWIW and not in a tizzy but calling a Star of David a Star of David. Now if it had little round balls on the tips and the context was some Western theme advertising Clinton as representing law and order with her wearing a cowboy hat then maybe the sheriff allusion would be viable. But seriously, in this context … uh no. Look, I actually do not think that Trump is explicitly anti-Semitic, even if he hires some and panders to many. He has a Jewish daughter for Moishe’s sake. He holds some stereotypes to be factual and is an ignorant doofus but would be clueless about things like (((Ivanka Trump))) to the point of possibly even re-tweeting it as saying something good. Not a major thing. But there is zero question that whoever put that up meant the dogwhistle. Was no one watching what that relative foot soldier was doing until it went out or was it intended at higher levels? Don’t know and again, down quickly, so minor enough it isn’t worth much outrage. But be real. No question what the meaning was. Dang if he posted a swastika would you post the pictures of the ancient Hindu swastika and say that not all swastikas are Nazi allusions? It’s just a shape! ---
**Author:** ![Pashnish\_Ewing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8797f3/32.png) [@Pashnish\_Ewing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pashnish_Ewing)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2016, 1:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901/2183 "2016-07-03T01:22:33Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > And seven points. [Not usually](https://www.google.com/search?q=sheriff+badge&espv=2&biw=1107&bih=529&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwj57cXaj9bNAhVi_IMKHVHBBYYQ7AkIPw). ---
**Author:** ![Derleth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Derleth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Derleth)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2016, 1:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901/2184 "2016-07-03T01:23:36Z")
Who would volunteer to be associated with the Trump campaign? Don’t look at the paid flacks, look at the people who actually do crap on a daily basis, like running a Twitter feed and using Photoshop to make the images they want to go viral. What kind of people are those? Trump supporters. Who are Trump supporters? People who are so angry with and disaffected from normal politics that they’d back Donald Fucking Trump. Now, what ideology has been festering in that fringe for decades? What can you not go three links deep into a conspiracy theory webpage before finding traces of? What is constantly just _there_, within the immediate or extended social circle of any alt-right or alt-left movement except those explicitly run by and for Jews? Antisemitism. It never went away; it’s there in the 9/11 Truth Movement, the Big Pharma Truth Movement, the End The Fed Movement, Occupy Wall Street and Occupy Malheur. Conspiracy Theories are the bedtime stories the disaffected use to keep themselves warm at night, to tell themselves that what they’re doing really matters and that their lives aren’t a complete waste. Every story needs a villain, and the Jews have been a very convenient villain for a very long time. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2016, 1:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901/2185 "2016-07-03T01:28:54Z")
> [@Peremensoe](#): > > Aw come on. It’s more than remote. I agree it’s not worth making a big deal of, beside all the _overt_ things he’s said. But one can crank an eyebrow at it. When I do a google search on the Star of David, nothing on the first 5 pages of images turns up a completely filled in star like that. They ALL show the outline of each overlapped triangle. Sometimes a star is just a star. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2016, 1:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901/2186 "2016-07-03T01:44:55Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > When I do a google search on the Star of David, nothing on the first 5 pages of images turns up a completely filled in star like that. They ALL show the outline of each overlapped triangle. Sometimes a star is just a star. Funny, my Google search comes up with [this](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c9/Judenstern_JMW.jpg) in the first five images. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2016, 1:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901/2187 "2016-07-03T01:50:23Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > Funny, my Google search comes up with [this](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c9/Judenstern_JMW.jpg) in the first five images. I hate to break it to you but that image does indeed show the outlines of the two triangles so I am at a loss as to what is “funny” about that. ---
**Author:** ![Biffster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biffster/32/339_2.png) [@Biffster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffster)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2016, 1:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901/2188 "2016-07-03T01:54:34Z")
> [@Fenris](#): > > I _am_ a Jew and I loathe Trump. > > That said, it’s not remotely a Star of David. Not all 6 pointed stars are. If it was yellow? Yeah, I’d say there was something to it. If it was two overlapping triangle-outlines, yeah, something to it. > > Unless you think that > > [John Wayne in “Rio Bravo”](http://www.indianvillagemall.com/2013badges/johnwaynetxsheriff.jpg) > > [John Wayne in “True Grit”](http://www.indianvillagemall.com/2013badges/trudegrittbadge.jpg) > > [Roy Rodgers in “Sons of the Pioneers”](http://www.indianvillagemall.com/2013badges/royrogersbadge.jpg) > > and > > Ronald Reagan in “Law and Order” (can’t get the link to work) > > were all making some profound statement about Judaism. > > Look–Trump has made a number of anti-Semitic statements. Non-Jews deciding to throw themselves into tizzy of outrage over the one time he _didn’t_ do it isn’t helping. It diminishes real complaints against him. > > You wanna be angry on my people’s behalf? Get mad about him talking about [stuff like this (except point #4 about Wasserman-Shultz)](http://forward.com/news/breaking-news/326020/5-cringeworthy-things-donald-trump-has-said-about-the-jews/) rather than credit Donald with a subtlety he just doesn’t have. If it wasn’t intentional, then why change it? Either Trump or one of his people messed up. Either way, it speaks volumes about a man who doesn’t pay attention to the details. This, along with his anti-Semitic and anti-Mexican remarks, and the rape allegations, and just about everything else that comes out of his mouth reflect a man not fit for public office, let alone the persistency of the USA, arguably the most powerful job in the world. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![Ukulele\_Ike](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/df788c/32.png) [@Ukulele\_Ike](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ukulele_Ike)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2016, 1:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901/2189 "2016-07-03T01:58:53Z")
This poster star thing is either evil and anti-Semitic, or inattentive and stupid. Considering the Trump campaign in general, it COULD be all four. But none of the four are qualities I would like to see in my President. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2016, 2:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901/2190 "2016-07-03T02:05:52Z")
> [@Derleth](#): > > Who would volunteer to be associated with the Trump campaign? Don’t look at the paid flacks, look at the people who actually do crap on a daily basis, like running a Twitter feed and using Photoshop to make the images they want to go viral. What kind of people are those? Trump supporters. Who are Trump supporters? People who are so angry with and disaffected from normal politics that they’d back Donald Fucking Trump. > > Now, what ideology has been festering in that fringe for decades? What can you not go three links deep into a conspiracy theory webpage before finding traces of? What is constantly just _there_, within the immediate or extended social circle of any alt-right or alt-left movement except those explicitly run by and for Jews? Antisemitism. It never went away; it’s there in the 9/11 Truth Movement, the Big Pharma Truth Movement, the End The Fed Movement, Occupy Wall Street and Occupy Malheur. > > Conspiracy Theories are the bedtime stories the disaffected use to keep themselves warm at night, to tell themselves that what they’re doing really matters and that their lives aren’t a complete waste. Every story needs a villain, and the Jews have been a very convenient villain for a very long time. I don’t think I’ve ever +1ed before but dang, well said. +1. > [@CarnalK](#): > > When I do a google search on the Star of David, nothing on the first 5 pages of images turns up a completely filled in star like that. They ALL show the outline of each overlapped triangle. Sometimes a star is just a star. If that is the case then I am sure you can find many many cases of those stars just used as a neutral shape in other political campaign propaganda in many campaigns. No? Only this one over a background of money? Huh. Sometimes a dog whistle is just a dog whistle. Yet again, not a big thing, not at all a surprising thing, bigger items to deal with, but pretending it aint what it was is just silly. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2016, 2:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901/2191 "2016-07-03T02:08:14Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > I hate to break it to you but that image does indeed show the outlines of the two triangles so I am at a loss as to what is “funny” about that. You said completely filled in. It’s completely filled in. ---
**Author:** ![pulykamell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pulykamell/32/3166_2.png) [@pulykamell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pulykamell)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2016, 2:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901/2192 "2016-07-03T02:11:31Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > When I do a google search on the Star of David, nothing on the first 5 pages of images turns up a completely filled in star like that. They ALL show the outline of each overlapped triangle. Sometimes a star is just a star. Weird. I get several filled in blue ones. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2016, 2:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901/2193 "2016-07-03T02:21:57Z")
Try [this](http://www.holocaustcenter.org/holocaust-badges) for the Star worn by Jews in Bulgaria/Poland/Hungary/Greece/Lithuania/Latvia, and the slightly different one worn by Jews in Romania. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2016, 3:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901/2194 "2016-07-03T03:19:42Z")
> [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](#): > > Try [this](http://www.holocaustcenter.org/holocaust-badges) for the Star worn by Jews in Bulgaria/Poland/Hungary/Greece/Lithuania/Latvia, and the slightly different one worn by Jews in Romania. Now **that** does raise an eyebrow; still, it could be plausible explained away if this was only one incident, but Trump is the same guy that has tweeted charts and text from European and American Neo-Nazis not so long ago. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2016, 4:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901/2195 "2016-07-03T04:03:42Z")
And an image of Nazi troops. > **[Donald Trump campaign tweets photo with Nazi soldiers – then leads polls](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/jul/14/donald-trump-nazi-soldiers-tweet-top-republican-polls)** > > In the same hour an intern posted an American flag campaign graphic featuring Nazi re-enactors, a national poll placed Trump in first place among Republicans ---
**Author:** ![Derleth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Derleth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Derleth)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2016, 4:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901/2196 "2016-07-03T04:46:04Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > And an image of Nazi troops. > > [Donald Trump campaign tweets photo with Nazi soldiers – then leads polls | Donald Trump | The Guardian](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/jul/14/donald-trump-nazi-soldiers-tweet-top-republican-polls) That is just weird. It’s too subtle to be effective signalling to fellow Neo-Nazis or a very satisfying troll, but… why would they use that image in the first place? How did they even find it? Incompetence is usually laziness, but this looks like it would have taken more effort to pull off than just grabbing a few images from the Army’s website. The Star of David tweet is pretty well explained by Antisemites working as Trump interns, but this seems like it would be too subtle to be explained that way. Maybe I’m wrong. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2016, 11:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901/2197 "2016-07-03T11:36:20Z")
You don’t have to worry about subtlety from a campaign so enthusiastically [endorsed by the Klan](http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2016/04/30/3774243/ku-klux-klan-imperial-wizard-endorses-donald-trump-for-president/). ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2016, 2:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901/2198 "2016-07-03T14:58:13Z")
> [@raventhief](#): > > That middle quote is odd in timing: > > Khare expects to receive his concealed carry permit in a few days. Then he plans to obtain training from the local sheriff’s department before buying a gun. > > I know it varies by state, but in mine you have your gun and go through training before you can even apply for cc. In order to apply, you have to prove you have been through an approved training program. It seems dangerous to be able to get the concealed carry permit before you get any training at all. Khare’s process sounds something like the Massachusetts procedure: First, you take a five-hour course (generally taught by an NRA-accredited instructor) in gun laws, safe handling, how the damned things work, etc. No live fire training required, though some instructors do include it (mine didn’t). Then you file an application with your local police department, including the course certification. The state/feds run a background check. If you pass, the local chief has the discretion to say go/no go (and how difficult it is varies town to town). Assuming you get the green light, you’re issued your CC and can then go buy any weapon that’s legal to own in the state – even if you’ve never actually done any live fire training. [http://www.mass.gov/eea/agencies/dfg/dfw/education-events/hed/gun-licensing-requirements.html](http://www.mass.gov/eea/agencies/dfg/dfw/education-events/hed/gun-licensing-requirements.html) Yes, I agree issuing a license to anyone who hasn’t been taught hands-on is stupid. In my case, I’d handled a gun maybe twice in my life before getting permitted (at age 62), so, being not-stupid, after buying my first gun\* I hired my certification instructor for a couple of live fire training sessions. And have seen some boneheaded stuff at the range you wouldn’t believe. \*Why? Satisfying a lifelong curiosity and amusing myself at the range. That’s all. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2016, 3:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901/2199 "2016-07-03T15:59:13Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > Now **that** does raise an eyebrow; still, it could be plausible explained away if this was only one incident, but Trump is the same guy that has tweeted charts and text from European and American Neo-Nazis not so long ago. And I should not had been surprised that the sources Trump uses are still made up of neo fascist or white supremacist antisemitic ones. > **[Donald Trump's Star of David Hillary Clinton Meme Was Created by White...](https://www.mic.com/articles/147711/donald-trump-s-star-of-david-hillary-clinton-meme-was-created-by-white-supremacists)** > > Donald Trump tweeted a meme Saturday that used dog-whistle anti-Semitism to announce that his political rival, "Crooked Hillary," had "made history."  > The meme Trump tweeted prominently featured the Star of David, a holy symbol of the... > [@](#): > > Mic discovered Sunday that Donald Trump’s Twitter account wasn’t the first place the meme appeared. The image was previously featured on /pol/ — an Internet message board for the alt-right, a digital movement of neo-Nazis, anti-Semites and white supremacists newly emboldened by the success of Trump’s rhetoric — as early as June 22, over a week before Trump’s team tweeted it. > [@](#): > > The watermark on the lower-left corner of the image leads to a Twitter account that regularly tweets violent, racist memes commenting on the state of geopolitical politics. > [@](#): > > Mic previously reported white supremacists rally on the internet to expose what they believe to be a vast anti-white conspiracy, centuries old, in which Jews have paid off politicians and infiltrated the media to undermine Western society from the top down. The Clinton meme Trump tweeted — which first appeared on perhaps the biggest bastion of the anti-Semitic alt-right — has brought that same hateful paranoia into the mainstream. > > One relationship of particular importance to their “anti-White conspiracy” is that between Jewish reporters and Hillary Clinton, whom they believe to be working in tandem to undermine the Western world, preventing nations like the U.S. from becoming more like their vision of utopia — a nation with racial purity among its core values. > > On Saturday, Trump deleted his original tweet of the meme and in its place uploaded an alteration that replaces the Star of David with a circle. > > In November, Trump retweeted a meme perpetuating the racist lie explicitly that black people committed more violent crimes against white people than any other race. That was found to have originated from the alt-right internet as well. > > Mic has reached out to the Trump campaign for comment on how this meme traveled from the white supremacist internet to the campaign of the presumptive presidential nominee for a major political party. We will update when we hear back. And I forgot to mention before, Trump AFAIK never explained or apologized for those early fascist sourced memes that he re tweeted. Show me your **sources** and I’ll tell you who you are. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2016, 4:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901/2200 "2016-07-03T16:43:28Z")
So uh **CarnalK** and anyone else who tried to say that it was just an innocent star, nothing to do with its widely accepted symbol for Jewish, does the fact that the graphic was copped (possibly directly) from a neo-Nazi messageboard alter your assessment at all? ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2016, 4:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901/2201 "2016-07-03T16:56:36Z")
Well sure. If it was being passed around on neo nazi sites they would have recognized that “dogwhistle” if you can say a neo nazi feel the need to dog whistle at all. Will any of the pro-dog whistler people admit it was not an intentional one by the Trump campaign? It’s not like he immediately deleted then served up an edited version of his black on white homicides tweet. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901.md?page=109) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901.md?page=111)