# Donald Trump's 2016 General Election Campaign **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [May 4, 2016, 2:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901 "2016-05-04T02:37:34Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 128
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2016, 10:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901/2543 "2016-07-13T22:39:10Z")
Trump didn’t accuse any organizations of anything. He just said, “Some people”. Find a couple more and what he said is true. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2016, 10:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901/2544 "2016-07-13T22:42:34Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Trump didn’t accuse any organizations of anything. He just said, “Some people”. Find a couple more and what he said is true. It’s ethnic/racial inciting in the same way saying “some people say the Jews control world finance and are responsible for all the world’s wars” is ethnic inciting. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2016, 10:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901/2545 "2016-07-13T22:56:01Z")
Not the same thing. If I say “some people think it’s okay for cops to gun down young black men by the truckload” is that incitement? ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2016, 10:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901/2546 "2016-07-13T22:56:29Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > Is 31.7 lower than 30 now? Must be the new math. > > **Today’s Nowcast: Clinton 68.3, Trump 31.7.** > > [2016 Election Forecast | FiveThirtyEight](http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/#now) > > Those numbers I wrote above are as posted on the 538 Nowcast on July 13, 2016, the day you wrote the post to which I replied. Buck Godot, please note this. That’s the prediction if the election were held now. It is not the prediction assuming uncertainty between now and November. I don’t know how you can’t find the Nowcast, it’s right there with the polls and polls-plus options. Mea culpa, I didn’t look at the Nowcast today (or any day). When he announced that the model was live, he said the Nowcast showed a much lower chance for Drumpf, but he also said that it was designed to be very sensitive to new information. So the new Quinnipiac numbers must have shifted it quite a bit. None of this, of course, negates any of the points I made about how you can’t just treat this like a regular horserace. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2016, 10:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901/2547 "2016-07-13T22:56:45Z")
> **[Trump staffer responds to Trump lawsuit over ‘leaked’ Page Six story](https://pagesix.com/2016/07/13/former-staffer-sues-trump-campaign-for-leaked-page-six-story/)** > > Sam Nunberg has filed legal papers against the presidential hopeful’s campaign saying he was wrongly accused of leaking a story to Page Six about a “lovers’ quarrel” between the mogul’s publicist a… Hope Hicks and Lewandowski were banging. Another high-ranking campaign aide, one of those who got caught up in Trump tirade against his aides last month, decided to Spill the Beans to Page Six. Trump is now suing this aide for $10 million. ---
**Author:** ![raventhief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/raventhief/32/4_2.png) [@raventhief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raventhief)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2016, 11:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901/2548 "2016-07-13T23:03:21Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > Is 31.7 lower than 30 now? Must be the new math. > > **Today’s Nowcast: Clinton 68.3, Trump 31.7.** > > [2016 Election Forecast | FiveThirtyEight](http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/#now) > > Those numbers I wrote above are as posted on the 538 Nowcast on July 13, 2016, the day you wrote the post to which I replied. Buck Godot, please note this. That’s the prediction if the election were held now. It is not the prediction assuming uncertainty between now and November. I don’t know how you can’t find the Nowcast, it’s right there with the polls and polls-plus options. How quickly does the NowCast change? I clicked and its now 69.2 and 30.8. ETA - answered my own question. We’ll be updating our forecasts every time new data is available, every day through Nov. 8. I guess new info became available. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2016, 11:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901/2549 "2016-07-13T23:06:47Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Not the same thing. If I say “some people think it’s okay for cops to gun down young black men by the truckload” is that incitement? Read it again, it is the context. Trump claimed that it took place in the 11 cities, the clear implication is that he was referring to the organizers or the groups involved. An accusation designed to incite his followers to make the situation worse. If Trump does not clarify I will have to also conclude that Trump will fall for nuts and conspiracy theories from the internet on a daily basis. Not likely that it will be just about Batboy, but all the way to dangerous situations in the USA and in the world. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2016, 11:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901/2550 "2016-07-13T23:07:44Z")
> [@](#): > > 68.3, Trump 31.7…now 69.2 and 30.8… A meteor hit Baylor. Hasn’t made the news yet. Might not. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2016, 11:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901/2551 "2016-07-13T23:08:52Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > Read it again, it is the context. Trump claimed that it took place in the 11 cities, the clear implication is that he was referring to the organizers or the grups involved. An accusation designed to incite his followers to make the situation worse. Maybe. I always lose when I defend Trump, so I’m not going to even try. Even if I’m right about this one statement he’ll go and say something that proves you right tomorrow. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2016, 11:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901/2552 "2016-07-13T23:20:38Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Not the same thing. If I say “some people think it’s okay for cops to gun down young black men by the truckload” is that incitement? Perhaps, to a lesser degree. ---
**Author:** ![Biffster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biffster/32/339_2.png) [@Biffster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffster)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2016, 11:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901/2553 "2016-07-13T23:24:29Z")
> [@Merneith](#): > > This really needs to be highlighted. Donald Trump is making up lies about black people and Black Lives Matters in order to paint them as dangerous Others - just like Hitler did with the Jewish people. Donald Trump is holding himself out as the strong leader who can save America from the dangerous Others - just like Hitler did in the run up to World War 2. > > Actually, while I believe that Donald really is a racist - I don’t believe he actually gives a shit about Black people or America. I think he’s just in it for the money. But it doesn’t matter what he actually believes in his heart of hearts. > > What he’s _doing_ is deliberately following Hitler’s playbook of demonizing some Outside group and promising that he’s the Authoritatian Figure who can save us. > > This is facism. It’s racism. It’s scary as fuck. It is not politics as usual from the Republicans, even though the Republicans have been quietly embracing racism for decades. This is different and it needs to be stopped - by all of us. All the voters. All the press. All the officals and judges. This is on all of us to stand up and speak truth to power. He also doesn’t know the difference between an article and an amendment. He was talking about upholding Article XII the other day—but there are only seven. Clearly he has never read and has no familiarity with the Constitution he would be sworn to uphold as President. You can’t simply outsource that part of the job, which is why most politicians are lawyers first. This man has no business running for ANY public office, much less POTUS. I can’t vote (I’m Canadian) but I sure as hell hope you folks do the right thing. Clinton make be unlikeable, but at least she is familiar with what the job entails. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2016, 11:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901/2554 "2016-07-13T23:28:46Z")
> [@Biffster](#): > > Clearly he has never read and has no familiarity with the Constitution he would be sworn to uphold as President. Why would he learn about something he intends to ignore? ---
**Author:** ![Merneith](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/57b2e6/32.png) [@Merneith](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merneith)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2016, 11:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901/2555 "2016-07-13T23:29:23Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Maybe. I always lose when I defend Trump, so I’m not going to even try. Even if I’m right about this one statement he’ll go and say something that proves you right tomorrow. What he said right now proves us right. Trump’s actual words: "The language is important: “When somebody called for a moment of silence to this maniac that shot the five police, you just see what’s going on. It’s a very, very sad situation.” Then later at the Indiana rally: “The other night you had 11 cities potentially in a blow-up stage. Marches all over the United States—and tough marches. Anger. Hatred. Hatred! Started by a maniac! And some people ask for a moment of silence for him. For the killer!”" That’s the lie. Nobody called for a moment of silence for the black man. But since you want to talk about Miss Alabama - let’s contemplate her words, for a minute: > [@Kalyn Chapman James](#): > > “I can’t help but feeling like the shooter was a martyr,” she said. “And I know it’s not the right way to feel because nobody deserves to lose their lives, and I know those police officers had families.” > > James, an Ala. native who lives in Miami, said she believes that many people feel the same way. > > “I am so torn up in my heart about seeing these men, these black men being gunned down in our community,” she said. “I wasn’t surprised by what the shooter did to those cops, and I think a lot of us feel the same way.” She’s being honest about her tormented feelings - while simultaneously acknowledging that her feelings are wrong. James shows more honesty and humility in her statement than Donald Trump has shown us in a whole year. Admitting that she feels conflicted while acknowledging that it’s wrong to feel that way shows depth and complexity. Her honest distress is entirely divorced from Trump’s cynical appropriation of Hitler’s playbook. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2016, 11:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901/2556 "2016-07-13T23:39:50Z")
It’s the old Fox News ploy. “Some people are saying …” “No, we didn’t say it!” ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2016, 11:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901/2557 "2016-07-13T23:42:59Z")
If someone never has a feeling that is wrong, one is an angel, and we need not worry about them. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2016, 11:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901/2558 "2016-07-13T23:51:20Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > Mea culpa, I didn’t look at the Nowcast today (or any day). When he announced that the model was live, he said the Nowcast showed a much lower chance for Drumpf, but he also said that it was designed to be very sensitive to new information. So the new Quinnipiac numbers must have shifted it quite a bit. The slight downtick that happened this afternoon appears to be the result of Fox News polls in Colorado and Florida that are show Clinton with a continuing lead. Those are battleground states, and even a tiny GOP slip in either is Trump-unfriendly. Perhaps Gary Johnson will be a mensch, do the right thing for his country, and endorse Clinton, but he’s not, so he won’t. ETA: Just to keep you all up to date on what secret Trump propagandist and Dilbert author Scott Adams is saying, he’s now claiming Hilary Clinton is the one inciting racial violence. I am not joking. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2016, 11:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901/2559 "2016-07-13T23:53:44Z")
I kinda like the guy, seen a couple of interviews, and he seems a bit, well…goofy! An endearing characteristic, in other circumstances. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2016, 12:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901/2560 "2016-07-14T00:01:16Z")
> [@Biffster](#): > > He also doesn’t know the difference between an article and an amendment. He was talking about upholding Article XII the other day—but there are only seven. Clearly he has never read and has no familiarity with the Constitution he would be sworn to uphold as President. You can’t simply outsource that part of the job, which is why most politicians are lawyers first. This man has no business running for ANY public office, much less POTUS. I can’t vote (I’m Canadian) but I sure as hell hope you folks do the right thing. Clinton make be unlikeable, but at least she is familiar with what the job entails. > Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk So was he saying that he would uphold the 12th _Amendment_? The one that talks about how to elect the President and Vice President? Well, that’s good news, I really expect he’ll try to be President for Life. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2016, 2:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901/2561 "2016-07-14T02:11:13Z")
Looks like Trump is scrambling to find a VP in time to announce on Friday. McCain was rushed by the end of his search in 2008, and we all know how well that turned out!: [http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/13/politics/donald-trump-vice-presidential-candidate-us-election/index.html](http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/13/politics/donald-trump-vice-presidential-candidate-us-election/index.html) ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2016, 4:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901/2562 "2016-07-14T04:08:59Z")
Trump gets 0% support from African American poll respondents in PA, OH. > **[Donald Trump Gets 0% Support From Black Voters in Ohio, Penn.: NBC/WSJ Polls](https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/donald-trump-gets-0-support-black-voters-ohio-pennsylvania-nbc-n609026)** > > In two key battleground states, Trump is doing as bad as he possibly could with African-American voters. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901.md?page=127) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901.md?page=129)