# Donald Trump's 2016 General Election Campaign **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [May 4, 2016, 2:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901 "2016-05-04T02:37:34Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 161
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2016, 4:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901/3203 "2016-07-31T04:04:56Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > [Trump asked Politico to send him copies of past issues with his face on them. This is the same Politico whose reporters are barred from Trump events.](http://www.addictinginfo.org/2016/07/30/politico-drops-the-mic-on-trumps-request-for-magazine-covers-featuring-his-face/) So they replied sure, they’ll send him those covers. Now, when will they be getting those credentials? I would say send 'em. With his face completely obscured with a black marker. Or with funny mustaches, beards, glasses, etc. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2016, 4:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901/3204 "2016-07-31T04:08:19Z")
> [@Voyager](#): > > Has there been any presidential candidate in history who has insulted mothers? Apple pie next, I suppose… “Jesus is very overrated. I prefer saviors who weren’t crucified, OK?” ---
**Author:** ![bengangmo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/50afbb/32.png) [@bengangmo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bengangmo)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2016, 4:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901/3205 "2016-07-31T04:13:39Z")
> [@Happy\_Lendervedder](#): > > So let me get this straight: Fat Don claims to have read the Constitution AND say this guy has _no right_ to free speech-- all in one sentence? > > This episode of Punk’d isn’t funny anymore. Sigh Please can you make it clear when you are interpreting trumps words and when you’re saying something he actually said? He did NOT say “no right to free speech” His actual claim (according to his own lie) was no right to tell falsehoods. There’s a world of difference between the two. When you do this…you reduce the power and impact of an otherwise good argument. Exaggeration is good once. But the next time your points just get dismissed as political hyperbole. Which won’t help beat trump. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Ace](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/6bbea6/32.png) [@Johnny\_Ace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Ace)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2016, 4:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901/3206 "2016-07-31T04:22:34Z")
> [@bengangmo](#): > > Sigh > > Please can you make it clear when you are interpreting trumps words and when you’re saying something he actually said? > > He did NOT say “no right to free speech” > His actual claim (according to his own lie) was no right to tell falsehoods. > There’s a world of difference between the two. > When you do this…you reduce the power and impact of an otherwise good argument. > Exaggeration is good once. But the next time your points just get dismissed as political hyperbole. > > Which won’t help beat trump. Coming from Trump, the king of the most obvious lies imaginable? The irony is impervious to knives. ---
**Author:** ![bengangmo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/50afbb/32.png) [@bengangmo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bengangmo)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2016, 4:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901/3207 "2016-07-31T04:24:22Z")
It’s not about trump… It’s about making accurate statements. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2016, 4:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901/3208 "2016-07-31T04:34:39Z")
> [@bengangmo](#): > > It’s not about trump… > It’s about making accurate statements. Shall we talk about Mike Pence saying name calling has no place in politics? ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2016, 4:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901/3209 "2016-07-31T04:45:04Z")
> [@bengangmo](#): > > Sigh > > Please can you make it clear when you are interpreting trumps words and when you’re saying something he actually said? > > He did NOT say “no right to free speech” > His actual claim (according to his own lie) was no right to tell falsehoods. > There’s a world of difference between the two. > When you do this…you reduce the power and impact of an otherwise good argument. > Exaggeration is good once. But the next time your points just get dismissed as political hyperbole. > > Which won’t help beat trump. > [@bengangmo](#): > > It’s not about trump… > It’s about making accurate statements. If it’s about making accurate statements, let’s start with “no right to tell falsehoods”. Sure there is. So even interterpreted your way, Mr. Trump is still wrong and trying to deny someone their constitutional rights. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2016, 4:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901/3210 "2016-07-31T04:48:31Z")
> [@bengangmo](#): > > Sigh > > Please can you make it clear when you are interpreting trumps words and when you’re saying something he actually said? > > He did NOT say “no right to free speech” > His actual claim (according to his own lie) was no right to tell falsehoods. > There’s a world of difference between the two. > When you do this…you reduce the power and impact of an otherwise good argument. > Exaggeration is good once. But the next time your points just get dismissed as political hyperbole. > > Which won’t help beat trump. No, Fat Don said the guy had no right to get up and say some things. Whether Mr. Kahn’s statement is a truth or a lie, Mr. Kahn has every fucking right to get up there and say it. The very Constitution Trump claims to have read gives Mr. Kahn that right. Fat Don could’ve just said, “Mr. Kahn is wrong-- I have read the Constitution.” But no, he had to use the words “no right.” To talk about having no right to say something in the same sentence that he claims to have read the Constitution is just typical Trump, face-palming stupid Trump. Like, “Keep your government hands off my Medicare”-caliber stupid. Fat Don even goes on to imply in this statement that by proclaiming these alleged falsehoods, Mr. Kahn is somehow making America less safe. So, Mr. Kahn has “no right” to “say…things” and by doing so is somehow dangerous to our country? Why? Why does Fat Don get to say things, even false things, but Mr. Kahn doesn’t? > [@](#): > > It’s not about trump… > It’s about making accurate statements. Who made an inaccurate statement, other than Fat Don? ---
**Author:** ![Gorsnak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gorsnak/32/7587_2.png) [@Gorsnak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gorsnak)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2016, 4:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901/3211 "2016-07-31T04:56:13Z")
> [@bengangmo](#): > > Sigh > > Please can you make it clear when you are interpreting trumps words and when you’re saying something he actually said? > > He did NOT say “no right to free speech” > His actual claim (according to his own lie) was no right to tell falsehoods. > There’s a world of difference between the two. > When you do this…you reduce the power and impact of an otherwise good argument. > Exaggeration is good once. But the next time your points just get dismissed as political hyperbole. > > Which won’t help beat trump. Well, okay, but could you then make it clear when Trump is interpreting Khan’s words and when he’s saying something he actually said? Trump said, “Mr. Khan who has never met me, has no right to stand in front of millions of people and claim I have never read the Constitution (which is false) and say many other inaccurate things.” But Khan didn’t claim that Trump has never read the Constitution. He said, “Let me ask you: have you even read the United States constitution? I will gladly lend you my copy. In this document, look for the words ‘liberty’ and ‘equal protection of law’.” It’s a rhetorical question that does not imply Trump hasn’t read the Constitution, but that he is ignoring or misunderstanding it. It’s also not the least bit clear what “many other inaccurate things” Khan said that Trump might be referring to. There is nothing in Khan’s speech that even approaches a lie about Donald. At most there is an unflattering characterization. The only way Mr. Khan has no right to stand in front of millions of people and say the things he did is if he has no right of free speech at all. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2016, 12:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901/3212 "2016-07-31T12:29:42Z")
> [@Bayard](#): > > Looks like Gary Johnson got about 1% of the popular vote in 2012. I guess Republicans who are horrified by Trump but who can’t bring themselves to vote for Clinton are heading over to Johnson. Six or eight percent is a pretty good showing for the Libertarians. He was also polling at [5 to 6% in July 2012 and pundits then](http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/07/24/why-gary-johnson-could-cost-obama-or-romney-win-in-2012.html) were talking about how he could play a significant role, given that then > [@](#): > > recent polling that included him showed Johnson drawing 9% of the vote in Arizona, 7% in Colorado and New Hampshire – and 13% in his home state of New Mexico. > > All of these are key swing states. And such numbers give Johnson the chance to be a giant killer in the 2012 race. Note that he barely got 1% even in New Mexico on election day. Polling ≠ showing for a third party. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2016, 12:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901/3213 "2016-07-31T12:34:08Z")
Undecideds had no reason to not come home to either Obama or Romney in 2012. They have tons of reasons to never vote for Clinton or Trump. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2016, 12:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901/3214 "2016-07-31T12:37:09Z")
That is quite an irony in the highlighted Trump comment … Trump lying about what Mr. Khan actually said (asking if Trump has actually read the Constitution) to claim that Mr. Khan “has no right” to say something false. By the way, does _anyone_ actually believe Trump when he says he has actually ever, even in High School before the Constitution test, ever actually read the document? ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2016, 12:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901/3215 "2016-07-31T12:44:10Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Undecideds had no reason to not come home to either Obama or Romney in 2012. They have tons of reasons to never vote for Clinton or Trump. At least according to [the recent PPP poll](http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/2016/07/clinton-image-improves-following-conventions-leads-trump-by-5.html#more) > [@](#): > > most of the remaining undecided pool is very Democratic leaning. But in this case we are not talking about those classified as “undecided” but those classified as supporting Johnson in poll. Will they “come home” to either party or stay home or vote Johnson. I suspect many more will do one of the first two than the last. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2016, 12:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901/3216 "2016-07-31T12:52:29Z")
PPP’s undecided pool is rather small though, only 5%. Other polls are showing 10-20%. Reuters reported 25% undecided. ---
**Author:** ![Pearl\_Clutching\_Provocateur](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/c68b51/32.png) [@Pearl\_Clutching\_Provocateur](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pearl_Clutching_Provocateur)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2016, 1:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901/3217 "2016-07-31T13:04:12Z")
> [@Happy\_Lendervedder](#): > > No, **Fat Don** said the guy had no right to get up and say some things. . **Fat Do** n could’ve just said, “Mr. Kahn is wrong-- I have read the Constitution.” > **Fat Don** even goes on to imply in this statement that by proclaiming these alleged falsehoods, Mr. Kahn is somehow making America less safe. Why does **Fat Don** get to say things, even false things, but Mr. Kahn doesn’t? > > Who made an inaccurate statement, other than **Fat Don**? I make fun of Goldman Sachs, and I get a warning. This? Nothing. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2016, 1:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901/3218 "2016-07-31T13:06:17Z")
You gave an anti-Semitic slur, he is just calling Donald Trump fat ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2016, 1:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901/3219 "2016-07-31T13:17:32Z")
> [@Pearl\_Clutching\_Provocateur](#): > > I make fun of Goldman Sachs, and I get a warning. This? Nothing. “Fat Don”, is a factually correct statement. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2016, 1:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901/3220 "2016-07-31T13:48:26Z")
> [@Pearl\_Clutching\_Provocateur](#): > > I make fun of Goldman Sachs, and I get a warning. This? Nothing. Fat Don? Don’s fat. He’s a fat guy. A fat guy named Don. Fat Don likes nicknames, so I gave him one. And I’m just emulating Fat Don, who happens to be the candidate for president from the Party of Lincoln. I thought you’d be happy to see people start emulating Fat Don, follow his lead, Make America Great Again. Making America Great Again starts and ends with giving unflattering nicknames to public figures you disagree with, right? That’s what Fat Don seems to be doing. Why do you have a problem with me doing something Fat Don believes in? ---
**Author:** ![Yersenia\_Pestis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/e495f1/32.png) [@Yersenia\_Pestis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yersenia_Pestis)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2016, 2:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901/3221 "2016-07-31T14:06:04Z")
It’s incredibly sad to see trump supporters try to defend his latest outrageous statement… Seriously, how can anyone look at himself in the mirror and look at that ridiculous buffoon and say “yeah, that’s presidential material” I think it’s all about Hillary hate at this point, every time you press them on trump they start talking Hillary hate… Sigh ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2016, 2:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901/3222 "2016-07-31T14:33:03Z")
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