# Donald Trump's 2016 General Election Campaign

**URL:** <https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901>\
**Category:** Politics & Elections\
**Created:** [May 4, 2016, 2:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901 "2016-05-04T02:37:34Z")\
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**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\
**Post date:** [August 3, 2016, 1:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901/3523 "2016-08-03T13:27:47Z")

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Fat Don’s former campaign chief, now a CNN employee,[again questions whether President Obama was born here, and again brings up the ridiculous demand for Obama’s college transcripts](http://www.politico.com/story/2016/08/obama-birther-corey-lewandowski-226607?cmpid=sf):

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> “Harvard University. Transcripts,” Lewandowski retorted. “You raised the issue. Did he ever release them…Look, the only reason it’s germane is because she brought the issue up and said Donald Trump raised the issue of his Harvard transcripts,” Lewandowski, a paid CNN contributor, said. “And I just simply said … have those ever been released, and the question was did he get in as a U.S. citizen or was he brought into Harvard University as a citizen who wasn’t from this country?”

And this guy is a Trump campaign _reject_? There are people worse than him still running things? No wonder Trump’s staff is suicidal.

Seriously, the 8-year-old level of pettiness and personal attacks against anyone that challenges Trump coming from the Trump and his surrogates is staggering.

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**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\
**Post date:** [August 3, 2016, 1:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901/3524 "2016-08-03T13:44:09Z")

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I kind of think all presidential candidates should release their college transcripts. I know I would have liked to see Dubya’s.

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**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\
**Post date:** [August 3, 2016, 1:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901/3525 "2016-08-03T13:54:08Z")

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> [@Happy\_Lendervedder](#):
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> Fat Don’s former campaign chief, now a CNN employee,[again questions whether President Obama was born here, and again brings up the ridiculous demand for Obama’s college transcripts](http://www.politico.com/story/2016/08/obama-birther-corey-lewandowski-226607?cmpid=sf):
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> And this guy is a Trump campaign _reject_? There are people worse than him still running things? No wonder Trump’s staff is suicidal.
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> Seriously, the 8-year-old level of pettiness and personal attacks against anyone that challenges Trump coming from the Trump and his surrogates is staggering.

No, it’s worse… Lewandowski isn’t just a reject, he is the one who lead Trump to a successful nomination.

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**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\
**Post date:** [August 3, 2016, 1:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901/3526 "2016-08-03T13:58:07Z")

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> [@RickJay](#):
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> Generalizing here, but; corporations cannot commit, or be pardoned for, crimes; they can commit torts, subject to civil action. If a crime is committed, there is a natural person - e.g. a real human being - somewhere who is liable for it and can be charged.

The question whether a corporation can be charged with an offence will depend on the law of the country in question, but generally, corporations can be charged with criminal offences.

The leading case on this point in Canada is CBC v R, [1983] 1 SCR 339, where the Supreme Court held that the CBC could be prosecuted for airing an obscene film.

[QUOTE=Estey J for the Court]  
There certainly can be no reason in law why the law enforcement agencies should not bring before the criminal court a corporation, however established, or any other person, where the conduct of that person, natural or legal, offends the Criminal Code and is not expressly authorized by Act of Parliament.  
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Workplace offences are one of the most common areas where a corporation can be charged with an offence: it is the corporation which employs the employees and owns the workplace, and thus can commit an offence under labour standards laws or occupational health and safety laws.

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**Author:** ![leftfield6](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/leftfield6/32/18780_2.png) [@leftfield6](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/leftfield6)\
**Post date:** [August 3, 2016, 2:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901/3527 "2016-08-03T14:03:47Z")

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So, turns out, the Trump campaign, in writing, knew that they were renting a space in Columbus that was limited to XX number of attendees, which the Fire Marshal was, by law, required to enforce. Not only that, the Fire Marshal in question? Turns out he is not a Democrat as the Trumpster has been asserting, he is actually a Republican. I guess you can say he is a “law and order” Fire Marshal.

[Story here](http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/08/donald-trump-2016-rally-size-214132)

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**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\
**Post date:** [August 3, 2016, 2:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901/3528 "2016-08-03T14:18:11Z")

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Conservatives have been using the victim card to win elections for years. This is just the culmination. “The fire department is against you! Sad.”

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**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\
**Post date:** [August 3, 2016, 2:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901/3529 "2016-08-03T14:21:47Z")

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> [@Tangent](#):
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> Trump is throwing Ryan’s words back at him. “I’m not there yet” is how Ryan responded to the press when asked a few weeks ago if he was endorsing Trump.

> [@elucidator](#):
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> Ah! No doubt you are right, had forgotten! Has that always been as common a phrase?

I’d wager that Trump has heard it a lot, but in more intimate settings.

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**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\
**Post date:** [August 3, 2016, 2:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901/3530 "2016-08-03T14:29:36Z")

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In case anyone was looking for a summary of Trump’s campaign since 8am yesterday, [NBC News has you covered](http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/first-read/first-read-gop-trump-go-unraveling-break-glass-mode-n622116?cid=sm_fb):

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> \*In a Washington Post interview, Trump declined to endorse House Speaker Paul Ryan against his primary challenger  
> \*He reiterated that he hasn’t endorsed Sen. John McCain and said the onetime prisoner of war “has not done a good job for the vets”  
> \*He slapped out at Republican Sen. Kelly Ayotte, saying “she has given me zero support”  
> \*He suggested that Americans should pull their 401(k) funds out of the stock market  
> \*He said he’s “always wanted” to receive a Purple Heart but that having one gifted to him by a supporter was “much easier”  
> \*He said that the handling of sexual harassment has “got to be up to the individual”  
> \*He accused Khizr Khan of being “bothered” by his plan to keep terrorists out of the country, and said that he had no regrets about his clash with the family  
> \*He appeared to feud with a crying baby during a rally  
> \*He reiterated that “if the election is rigged, I would not be surprised”  
> \*The sitting president of the United States publicly called Trump “unfit to serve” and urged Republicans to withdraw their support for him.  
> \*Trump spokesman Katrina Pierson suggested that Obama and Clinton are to blame for the death of Humayan Khan, who died in 2004, when neither were in the executive branch at the time  
> \*An ally of Paul Manafort told our colleague John Harwood at CNBC that the campaign chairman is “mailing it in,” leaving the rest of the staff “suicidal.”  
> \*Sitting GOP congressman Richard Hanna, HP head Meg Whitman and former Christie aide Maria Comella all said they plan to vote for Hillary Clinton  
> \*The Washington Post released a transcript of its full interview with Trump, indicating among other things that he paused five times to watch TV coverage in the middle of the sit-down  
> \*A GOP source told NBC’s Katy Tur that Reince Priebus is “apoplectic” over Trump’s refusal to endorse Ryan and is making calls to the campaign to express his “extreme displeasure”

And I’ll add this: [Joe Scarborough reports that Trump, while being advised by a foreign policy expert a few months ago, asked why we couldn’t use nukes if we have them.](http://www.cnbc.com/2016/08/03/trump-asks-why-us-cant-use-nukes-msnbcs-joe-scarborough-reports.html)

Quite the list. And as the NBC link points out, any one of these things would’ve been extremely problematic for a campaign-- and these \*all \*happened in about a 24-hour period for Fat Don.

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**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\
**Post date:** [August 3, 2016, 2:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901/3531 "2016-08-03T14:37:17Z")

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So…thirty years ago, Trump and his bodyguards [very nearly got into a rumble](http://consequenceofsound.net/2016/07/donald-trump-ends-his-rnc-speech-by-playing-rolling-stones-a-band-who-once-pulled-a-knife-on-him/) with the Rolling Stones and their crew:

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> When Richards got wind of Trump’s actions, “he pulls out his knife and slams it on the table and says, ‘What the hell do I have you for? Do I have to go over there and fire him myself? One of us is leaving the building – either him, or us.’”
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> Ultimately, Trump left the band’s press room, but not before “three shtarkers he’s with, in trench coats, two of them are putting on gloves and the other one is putting on brass knuckles.” Cohl said to he responded by calling the band’s head of security who “got 40 of the crew with tire irons and hockey sticks and screwdrivers.”

OK then.

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**Author:** ![Ukulele\_Ike](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/df788c/32.png) [@Ukulele\_Ike](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ukulele_Ike)\
**Post date:** [August 3, 2016, 2:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901/3532 "2016-08-03T14:39:01Z")

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> [@VinylTurnip](#):
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> I’d wager that Trump has heard it a lot, but in more intimate settings.

Criticizing Trump can be bad for one’s health, but I suspect that criticizing Trump’s performance in bed would be downright suicidal.

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**Author:** ![davidm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidm/32/225_2.png) [@davidm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidm)\
**Post date:** [August 3, 2016, 3:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901/3533 "2016-08-03T15:23:18Z")

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A federal judge has ruled that Trump must face civil trial for fraud in a lawsuit brought by Trump University students.  
[http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/03/us/politics/trump-university-case.html](http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/03/us/politics/trump-university-case.html)

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> In a written decision, Judge Gonzalo P. Curiel rejected a motion by Mr. Trump’s lawyers to dismiss the case, concluding that the aggrieved former students had raised a genuine question about whether Mr. Trump had “knowingly participated in a scheme to defraud.”

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**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\
**Post date:** [August 3, 2016, 3:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901/3534 "2016-08-03T15:31:34Z")

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> [@davidm](#):
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> A federal judge has ruled that Trump must face civil trial for fraud in a lawsuit brought by Trump University students.  
> [http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/03/us/politics/trump-university-case.html](http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/03/us/politics/trump-university-case.html)

Since the judge is Mexican, so what? :rolleyes:

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**Author:** ![Crotalus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crotalus/32/41_2.png) [@Crotalus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crotalus)\
**Post date:** [August 3, 2016, 3:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901/3535 "2016-08-03T15:41:52Z")

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I read the transcript of the WaPo interview that \*\*Happy Lendervedder \*\*mentioned above. Holy moly! Trump’s brain doesn’t work right. [Read the beginning](https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/04/02/transcript-donald-trump-interview-with-bob-woodward-and-robert-costa/)of it, at least. They ask him a simple question: when did you decide to run? The answer is incredible. I don’t understand how the guy gets anything done. He can’t focus on an idea or finish a thought.

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**Author:** ![leftfield6](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/leftfield6/32/18780_2.png) [@leftfield6](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/leftfield6)\
**Post date:** [August 3, 2016, 4:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901/3536 "2016-08-03T16:00:43Z")

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> [@Crotalus](#):
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> I read the transcript of the WaPo interview that \*\*Happy Lendervedder \*\*mentioned above. Holy moly! Trump’s brain doesn’t work right. [Read the beginning](https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/04/02/transcript-donald-trump-interview-with-bob-woodward-and-robert-costa/)of it, at least. They ask him a simple question: when did you decide to run? The answer is incredible. I don’t understand how the guy gets anything done. He can’t focus on an idea or finish a thought.

Okay, just read that, and now my head hurts. Wow, word salad. He never once finishes a sentence or thought before sidestepping into another direction. It is incredibly difficult to make sense out of his thought pattern.

But, you have to admit, it’s a somewhat effective way to avoid actually answering the original question. He is the epitome of the “baffle them with bullshit” speaker.

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**Author:** ![Kent\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kent_clark/32/105_2.png) [@Kent\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kent_Clark)\
**Post date:** [August 3, 2016, 4:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901/3537 "2016-08-03T16:11:04Z")

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> [@SlackerInc](#):
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> I kind of think all presidential candidates should release their college transcripts. I know I would have liked to see Dubya’s.

Actually, he was pretty [open about it.](http://www.americanpolitics.com/bushtranscript.html)

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**Author:** ![leftfield6](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/leftfield6/32/18780_2.png) [@leftfield6](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/leftfield6)\
**Post date:** [August 3, 2016, 4:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901/3538 "2016-08-03T16:12:48Z")

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> [@kunilou](#):
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> Actually, he was pretty [open about it.](http://www.americanpolitics.com/bushtranscript.html)

Not really, Bush never “released” that information, it was leaked.

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**Author:** ![davidm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidm/32/225_2.png) [@davidm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidm)\
**Post date:** [August 3, 2016, 4:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901/3539 "2016-08-03T16:48:10Z")

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MSNBC is running a caption “Trump insiders plotting intervention”.

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**Author:** ![Crotalus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crotalus/32/41_2.png) [@Crotalus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crotalus)\
**Post date:** [August 3, 2016, 4:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901/3540 "2016-08-03T16:49:38Z")

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> [@leftfield6](#):
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> Okay, just read that, and now my head hurts. Wow, word salad. He never once finishes a sentence or thought before sidestepping into another direction. It is incredibly difficult to make sense out of his thought pattern.
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> But, you have to admit, it’s a somewhat effective way to avoid actually answering the original question. He is the epitome of the “baffle them with bullshit” speaker.

Do you think he was trying to avoid answering? I can’t think of a reason to avoid answering that simple question. It really seems to me that he can’t turn off the incoherent jumble that I guess we’ll have to dignify by calling them “his thoughts”. At first, he apparently doesn’t even understand the question, because he starts babbling about his announcement and the grand entrance he made. When the reporters guide him back to the question, his answer ends up being over 2,500\* words of digressions about his deals, his wife, how much money she made, how much he made for The Apprentice, all culminating in an answer “So it was an evolution.”

I think he is actually mentally ill.

- OK, I copied it and pasted it in to a Word doc and deleted the reporters’ attempts to remind him of what the question was. Word says it was 2,568. Maybe I’m as nuts as he is.

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**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\
**Post date:** [August 3, 2016, 4:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901/3541 "2016-08-03T16:50:36Z")

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> [@Crotalus](#):
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> I read the transcript of the WaPo interview that \*\*Happy Lendervedder \*\*mentioned above. Holy moly! Trump’s brain doesn’t work right. [Read the beginning](https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/04/02/transcript-donald-trump-interview-with-bob-woodward-and-robert-costa/)of it, at least. They ask him a simple question: when did you decide to run? The answer is incredible. I don’t understand how the guy gets anything done. He can’t focus on an idea or finish a thought.

Jesus. :smack: Why does he keep doing those interviews? They always seem to go badly. What does he think he’s getting out of them?

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**Author:** ![Fiveyearlurker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/da6949/32.png) [@Fiveyearlurker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiveyearlurker)\
**Post date:** [August 3, 2016, 4:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901/3542 "2016-08-03T16:59:00Z")

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I thought this is oddly [interesting](https://li.st/l/b477578e-5e68-4414-927c-5f010976b997). Apparently, Comedy Central did a roast of Trump, and the roastee is allowed to declare some things off limits. Trump, to be fair, was quite open to being roasted allowing such topics as the weirdly incestuous relationship with his daughter and his weight and hair.

The only thing listed as being off the table: “NOT ALLOWED: Any joke that suggests Trump is not actually as wealthy as he claims to be.”

I think the Clinton campaign should just matter of factly drop into conversations that there is no evidence that Trump has accumulated any wealth at all in the past four decades. Just strongly imply that he has no more money than his daddy gave him years ago. He’s not even a billionaire as he claims. Drop this information into speeches and treat them as facts.

Trump is completely incapable of letting this go, but the only way to disprove it would be to release his tax returns, which obviously he can’t do (likely because he isn’t nearly as wealthy as he claims to be and because he paid next to nothing in taxes).

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