# Donald Trump's 2016 General Election Campaign **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [May 4, 2016, 2:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901 "2016-05-04T02:37:34Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 22
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2016, 2:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901/421 "2016-05-16T14:09:11Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > I know you think this little bon mot of yours is effective, but has it really paid off for you any of the dozen other times you’ve posted it? You’re getting to be like Dean Martin in the old days with his ‘How did all these people get in my room’ gag. It’s funny/effective the first time, eye-rolling the twelfth. Tell us more, O paragon of all that is fresh, new, modern and original… ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2016, 2:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901/422 "2016-05-16T14:16:42Z")
The Donald does his bit for the “Special Relationship” of the U.S. and Great Britain: [Donald Trump to British PM David Cameron: 'I'm not stupid, OK?'](http://www.aol.com/article/2016/05/16/donald-trump-to-british-pm-david-cameron-im-not-stupid-ok/21377867/) ---
**Author:** ![truthSeeker2](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7cd45c/32.png) [@truthSeeker2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/truthSeeker2)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2016, 5:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901/423 "2016-05-16T17:31:17Z")
What an asshole this guy David Cameron is. I am sure there are many British people who got angry at his comments. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2016, 5:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901/424 "2016-05-16T17:36:17Z")
> [@truthSeeker2](#): > > What an asshole this guy David Cameron is. I am sure there are many British people who got angry at his comments. Probably greatly outnumbered by those who think Americans are batshit crazy for nominating a sociopath. ---
**Author:** ![Moriarty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/moriarty/32/49_2.png) [@Moriarty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Moriarty)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2016, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901/425 "2016-05-16T17:50:13Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > You do know that the U.S. had a population of around 150 million at that time, don’t you? I can assure you that virtually every crime imaginable was happening somewhere back then…And even more bizarre is the apparent notion that referring to people having better coping skills in the 50s equates to saying no violent crime happened at all and that I’m viewing the era through rose-colored glasses…So yeah, plenty of crime happened back then and I’m fully aware of it. I was responding to this comment [QUOTE=Starving Artist] schoolboys weren’t shooting up schools [/QUOTE] So, thanks for acknowledging that the comment was incorrect, and indeed, “bizarre”. > [@](#): > > But now with everyone so eager to be a victim, kids are killing themselves right and left because someone was mean to them at school or said something nasty about them on Facebook. Will you also be willing to walk back the comment that kids are “killing themselves right and left”, since you were presented evidence upthread that suicide rates are down since the 1950s? > [@](#): > > But I can guarantee you that people back then weren’t getting their panties in a twist over every imaginable grievance under the sun…Put simply, most things weren’t a big deal to most people back then. People tended to react to things they didn’t like or approve of with a shrug and a realization that life wasn’t perfect. Then they put it behind them and got on with their lives. I see that you ignored my argument that people who are aghast at the expression of individuality in our society today ought to rekindle this “toughness” and, as you suggest, “react to things they [don’t] like or approve of with a shrug and a realization that life isn’t perfect.” A woman is breastfeeding in public? Grown up, Nancy, and look away if you don’t want to see it. A man wants to marry another man, or change their gender? Put your big boy pants on, and get over yourself, since it has nothing to do with your ability to go about your day. Aren’t those the values you are espousing? > [@](#): > > I realize that the impulse is strong to denigrate any positive reference to the era of the 50s and early 60s, and the defensiveness it’s borne of is understandable. If my ideology were responsible for the millions of deaths and ruined lives that drugs and crime have wrought since that time, and the ridiculous extent that social activism and combativeness have gone overboard and set so much of the populace against one another I think I’d be hyper-defensive about it too. You just finished acknowledging that there was “plenty of crime” before the 1960s counterculture, but now you want to hold that culture responsible for all of the crime that came after? You also seem to believe that drugs was a problem borne of the 1960s, which I guess is true, if you don’t count alcohol as a drug, or if you don’t count prescriptions for amphetamines as drugs, or if you don’t count beatniks using heroin as a drug, or if you don’t count inhalants as a drug… > [@](#): > > But the fact is that there were many good things about pre-counterculture America. I’m not trying to piss on your childhood. As I noted, though, I can say the same thing about my own upbringing in the early 1980s: playing outside until it got dark, riding my bike all over god and creation to see my friends, not a care in the world. And it would be true for me, but it would reflect a very naïve view of the world that existed then. If you want to say that there were many good things about pre-counterculture America, I won’t disagree with you (I, for one, am certain that the food back then was probably better, if a little less varied, simply because it tended to be fresher and was more likely homemade). But that observation doesn’t lead one to conclude that things were better back then. In the face of evidence that problems of today also existed back then, and in the face of data that people’s quality of life has improved since then, making that argument is, as you said, “bizarre.” ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2016, 5:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901/426 "2016-05-16T17:54:16Z")
> [@truthSeeker2](#): > > What an asshole this guy David Cameron is. I am sure there are many British people who got angry at his comments. Think for just a second. Cameron calls Trump’s Muslim ban idea “stupid, divisive and wrong” and you think he’s an asshole. Meanwhile, Trump calls Cruz a liar, Bush “a pathetic figure”, O’Malley a clown, Rubio is a dishonest lightweight but Trump is your man of the year? Wtf, man? ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2016, 5:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901/427 "2016-05-16T17:57:29Z")
> [@truthSeeker2](#): > > What an asshole this guy David Cameron is. I am sure there are many British people who got angry at his comments. On the other hand, as of this morning 535,370 UK citizens have signed a petition supporting the banning of Mr. Trump from traveling to the UK, for what they see as Mr. Trump’s promotion of hate speech. This would seem to show, at the very least, fairly widespread tolerance of Mr. Cameron’s views. > **[Archived Petition: Block Donald J Trump from UK entry](https://petition.parliament.uk/archived/petitions/114003)** > > The signatories believe Donald J Trump should be banned from UK entry. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2016, 6:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901/428 "2016-05-16T18:07:39Z")
Nah, we did it! Grabbed a hold of the Pat Boone, Ozzie 'n Harriet, Beach Boys culture and fucking murdered it. Pissed on its grave and danced naked in the moonlight. No need to thank us, glad to do it. And no, the liberals didn’t like us, _nobody_ liked us but us. But you could go to just about any town big enough to have a university, knowing nobody, and within a couple hours meet some nice folks who would make a space for your sleeping bag, feed you and make you welcome. You can’t buy that. You can’t even rent it. Figured if we were pissing everybody off, we were on the right track, “the monster that shouted love at the heart of the world”. The reasoning there is a mite shaky, but we were too busy taking drugs and screwing our brains out to worry about it. Then the anti-war guys marched by, and we remembered our brother, our cousin, our friend in The Shit. Party’s over. Stuff to do. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2016, 6:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901/429 "2016-05-16T18:08:47Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > Think for just a second. Cameron calls Trump’s Muslim ban idea “stupid, divisive and wrong” and you think he’s an asshole. Meanwhile, Trump calls Cruz a liar, Bush “a pathetic figure”, O’Malley a clown, Rubio is a dishonest lightweight but Trump is your man of the year? Wtf, man? I think it’s performance art. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2016, 6:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901/430 "2016-05-16T18:10:00Z")
> [@truthSeeker2](#): > > What an asshole this guy David Cameron is. I am sure there are many British people who got angry at his comments. Oh there are probably SOME who support Trump. [Here is a start.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Front_%28UK%29) ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2016, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901/431 "2016-05-16T18:11:48Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > I think it’s performance art. Not so much “perform” as “deform”. ---
**Author:** ![truthSeeker2](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7cd45c/32.png) [@truthSeeker2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/truthSeeker2)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2016, 6:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901/432 "2016-05-16T18:14:18Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > Think for just a second. Cameron calls Trump’s Muslim ban idea “stupid, divisive and wrong” and you think he’s an asshole. Meanwhile, Trump calls Cruz a liar, Bush “a pathetic figure”, O’Malley a clown, Rubio is a dishonest lightweight but Trump is your man of the year? Wtf, man? Cameron doesn’t need to comment. It is none of his business. Even I don’t agree with (temporary) Muslim ban comment. But I were the PM of a country, I would refrain from commenting in it and never use such harsh language. It would not be my business. > [@El\_Kabong](#): > > On the other hand, as of this morning 535,370 UK citizens have signed a petition supporting the banning of Mr. Trump from traveling to the UK, for what they see as Mr. Trump’s promotion of hate speech. This would seem to show, at the very least, fairly widespread tolerance of Mr. Cameron’s views. > > [Block Donald J Trump from UK entry - Petitions](https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/114003) 65 Indian members of parliament had written to Obama in 2013 to not issue visa to Modi, who was at that time, the CM (Indian equivalent of governer) of Indian state of Gujarat. Can you believe that? There are stupid assholes everywhere. Many such petitions have happened against many popular leaders including Modi as well. Dustbin is worthy place for such petitions. ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2016, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901/433 "2016-05-16T18:24:45Z")
> [@truthSeeker2](#): > > Cameron doesn’t need to comment. It is none of his business. By this metric, what business is it of yours what either of them does? ---
**Author:** ![truthSeeker2](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7cd45c/32.png) [@truthSeeker2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/truthSeeker2)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2016, 6:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901/434 "2016-05-16T18:29:36Z")
> [@jsgoddess](#): > > By this metric, what business is it of yours what either of them does? I don’t hold the office of PM of UK. I can comment, he can’t. Plus there are ways of commenting if you must. He chose an unacceptable, harsh way. He could have just said he doesn’t agree with Trump if he was asked at gunpoint. ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2016, 6:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901/435 "2016-05-16T18:32:52Z")
> [@truthSeeker2](#): > > I don’t hold the office of PM of UK. I can comment, he can’t. > > Plus there are ways of commenting if you must. He chose an unacceptable, harsh way. He could have just said he doesn’t agree with Trump if he was asked at gunpoint. There is no nice way to say what a buffoon Trump is. ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Borgia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/larry_borgia/32/156_2.png) [@Larry\_Borgia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Borgia)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2016, 6:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901/436 "2016-05-16T18:38:52Z")
[This guy says it better than I could.](http://keithhennessey.com/2016/03/30/oppose-donald-trump/) He’s a small government pro-business conservative too. ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2016, 6:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901/437 "2016-05-16T18:42:36Z")
> [@truthSeeker2](#): > > I don’t hold the office of PM of UK. I can comment, he can’t. > > Plus there are ways of commenting if you must. He chose an unacceptable, harsh way. He could have just said he doesn’t agree with Trump if he was asked at gunpoint. You called Cameron “an asshole.” So, Trump gets to call people names and you get to call people names. But other people don’t get to call Trump’s ideas stupid. Nice bit of double standard you’ve got there. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2016, 6:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901/438 "2016-05-16T18:51:46Z")
[217 people, places and things Donald Trump has insulted on Twitter.](http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/01/28/upshot/donald-trump-twitter-insults.html?_r=0) Mind you, this is only twitter insults. There is much more material to be mined from his speeches and interviews. ---
**Author:** ![truthSeeker2](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7cd45c/32.png) [@truthSeeker2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/truthSeeker2)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2016, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901/439 "2016-05-16T18:57:49Z")
> [@jsgoddess](#): > > You called Cameron “an asshole.” > > So, Trump gets to call people names and you get to call people names. But other people don’t get to call Trump’s ideas stupid. > > Nice bit of double standard you’ve got there. You and I can call names but PM of another country can not. (More so, if the other country is an ally like UK, not an adversary like north Korea) In fact he should avoid even commenting, being a PM. Thats the main point. Language or tone is secondary. He just proved he is an asshole. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2016, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901/440 "2016-05-16T19:01:19Z")
Mr. Cameron has the right to free speech and if calling Mr. Trump out for his bigotry helps to defeat him in November, then we should all thank him. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901.md?page=21) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901.md?page=23)