# Donald Trump's 2016 General Election Campaign **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [May 4, 2016, 2:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901 "2016-05-04T02:37:34Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 230
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2016, 3:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901/4583 "2016-08-18T03:54:18Z")
> [@john\_L](#): > > you guys need to stop long enough to actually read what is posted , before you jump off into ya " we know what you meant " analysis crap that you like to do. no u ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Ace](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/6bbea6/32.png) [@Johnny\_Ace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Ace)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2016, 3:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901/4584 "2016-08-18T03:54:41Z")
> [@john\_L](#): > > you guys need to stop long enough to actually read what is posted , before you jump off into ya " we know what you meant " analysis crap that you like to do. Might help if you stated your point in clear, logical, concise language going from point A to point B instead of cryptic half-comments that people have to guess at… ---
**Author:** ![john\_L](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/c2a13f/32.png) [@john\_L](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/john_L)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2016, 3:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901/4585 "2016-08-18T03:58:46Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > :rolleyes: > > We are talking here about his “pivot point”, **there will be no pivot** , and that is coming from the horse’s mouth. (That looks more like the ass of it) > > Fell free to contradict Trump, but that will sound only like wishful thinking. mr. mental giant … …" pivot point " was reference to point in time that he needs big positive change in polls for him to be elected. not how Trump campaigns. duh ! ---
**Author:** ![slash2k](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/439d5e/32.png) [@slash2k](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/slash2k)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2016, 4:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901/4586 "2016-08-18T04:00:50Z")
> [@john\_L](#): > > i’ve already said that 1st debate in sept. is pivot point for Trump. The first debate is currently scheduled for September 26; by that point, early voting will already be underway in several states (Minnesota, e.g., starts Sept. 23) and among military/overseas voters. If Mr. Trumps waits to _start_ his pivot at or after the first debate (assuming he’s going to pivot at all), that’s a wee bit late. ---
**Author:** ![Arrogantly\_Ignorant](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/b4bc9f/32.png) [@Arrogantly\_Ignorant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Arrogantly_Ignorant)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2016, 4:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901/4587 "2016-08-18T04:02:26Z")
> [@john\_L](#): > > it’s right there in Vox article graph. > only data for each election is 60 days from end of convention until election. Huh? If I’m understanding your complaint, you’ve completely misread that graph. It seems you think the data shows the polling data 60 days before the election. It doesn’t. It shows the polling data 60 days after the second convention. The fact that the graph doesn’t go up to 100 days is completely irrelevant to the conclusion that, on average, polls have a significantly higher predictive value 14 days after the second convention compared to polls taken before the first convention (the negative numbers on the graph in the Vox article). ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2016, 4:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901/4588 "2016-08-18T04:06:14Z")
> [@john\_L](#): > > mr. mental giant … > …" pivot point " was reference to point in time that he needs big positive change in polls for him to be elected. > > not how Trump campaigns. duh ! A distinction with no difference. Polls will not change since Trump will not behave more presidential or reasonable to gain the support of more of the people outside the Republican group (now more irresponsible nowadays if not prejudiced). Trump therefore will keep digging and spewing nonsense right through the debates too. So, less support to Trump will come from moderate Republicans, independents, and as seen in the polls, the Democrats. ---
**Author:** ![john\_L](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/c2a13f/32.png) [@john\_L](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/john_L)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2016, 4:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901/4589 "2016-08-18T04:07:24Z")
> [@john\_L](#): > > was just my opinion. > a gallup link doesn’t change it. :rolleyes: > [@john\_L](#): > > i’ve already said that 1st debate in sept. is pivot point for Trump. > he needs perception of win from public… not media. > [@john\_L](#): > > ??? not sure what that has to do w/ anything. > unless you think polls will remain the same after 1st debate . ?? > [@Johnny\_Ace](#): > > Might help if you stated your point in **clear, logical,** \*\*concise \*\*language going from point A to point B instead of cryptic half-comments that people have to guess at… like these ?? you’re just another critic w/ no evidence. attack the messenger is your only rebut. ---
**Author:** ![john\_L](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/c2a13f/32.png) [@john\_L](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/john_L)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2016, 4:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901/4590 "2016-08-18T04:09:33Z")
> [@slash2k](#): > > The first debate is currently scheduled for September 26; by that point, early voting will already be underway in several states (Minnesota, e.g., starts Sept. 23) and among military/overseas voters. If Mr. Trumps waits to _start_ his pivot at or after the first debate (assuming he’s going to pivot at all), that’s a wee bit late. maybe—maybe not. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Ace](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/6bbea6/32.png) [@Johnny\_Ace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Ace)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2016, 4:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901/4591 "2016-08-18T04:13:02Z")
Really? Funny how I don’t see any cites from you. Nor much of a point. But go on, continue with the passive-aggressive attempted insults, as if anyone but you doesn’t see what they are. Or, maybe, just MAYBE, STATE YOUR BLEEDING POINT! ---
**Author:** ![john\_L](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/c2a13f/32.png) [@john\_L](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/john_L)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2016, 4:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901/4592 "2016-08-18T04:16:21Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > A distinction with no difference. **Polls will not change** since Trump will not behave more presidential or reasonable to gain the support of more of the people outside the Republican group (now more irresponsible nowadays if not prejudiced). Trump therefore will keep digging and spewing nonsense right through the debates too. So, less support to Trump will come from moderate Republicans, independents, and as seen in the polls, the Democrats. see how easy this can be ? you don’t think polls will change after 1st debate. i do. all that other crap in post is irrelevant. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2016, 4:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901/4593 "2016-08-18T04:23:12Z")
> [@john\_L](#): > > see how easy this can be ? > you don’t think polls will change after 1st debate. > i do. Will not, as per what Trump said. He is what he is. (He may be channeling Popeye) > [@john\_L](#): > > all that other crap in post is irrelevant. This makes not much sense as per your own words it is easy to clarify. Again, there is no reason for the polls to pivot as Trump will not do it either. ---
**Author:** ![john\_L](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/c2a13f/32.png) [@john\_L](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/john_L)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2016, 4:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901/4594 "2016-08-18T04:24:46Z")
> [@Johnny\_Ace](#): > > Really? Funny how I don’t see any \*\*cites \*\*from you. Nor much of a point. But go on, continue with the passive-aggressive attempted insults, as if anyone but you doesn’t see what they are. > > Or, maybe, just MAYBE,\*\* STATE YOUR BLEEDING POINT!\*\* my post points are about as brief and concise as any on here. maybe it’s comprehension that’s lacking ? so now i need " cites " to post my opinion ? ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2016, 4:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901/4595 "2016-08-18T04:29:20Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > I don’t think he _does_. Trump’s entire worldview can be summed up in three bullet points; > > 1. Donald Trump is very rich > 2. Donald Trump is very smart > 3. Everybody loves Donald Trump > > He _needs_ to believe that he’s universally loved. Blacks love him. Hispanics love him. Veterans love him. Women love him. Oregon and Connecticut love him, and the only reason he’s trailing there is because of the corrupt media, Crooked Hillary, and the rigged system, because if they were treating him fairly he’d win bigly just like he always does. > > What we’re seeing, what we’ve _been_ seeing the last year, isn’t a deliberate attempt at self-sabotage. It’s the clueless flailing of a narcissist who’s spent his entire life in a bubble of yes-men suddenly having to deal with people he can’t bully or fire. I vacillate between your explanation and mine. Either way, the intensity with which he is pursuing the complete annihilation of the Republican Party is truly scary to me. Not that they didn’t deserve it, but he’s tearing up the very fabric of of how our governance works in the process, undermining the entire system. I’m all for meaningful – even drastic – reform. But I thought he was against nation-building. :dubious: His fondness for conspiracy theories should be of surprise to no one, if they were paying any attention. That’s what just sends me into a tilt. How do so many people who manage to function reasonably well every day just _ignore_ the fact that the person they’re planning to vote for to be their next president is an anti-vaxxer/climate-change-denier/birther?? For me, that disqualified him on his (weird orange) face. I’m aware of the [Dunning-Kruger Effect](https://www.rawstory.com/2016/08/a-neuroscientist-explains-what-may-be-wrong-with-trump-supporters-brains/), but… yikes. ---
**Author:** ![john\_L](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/c2a13f/32.png) [@john\_L](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/john_L)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2016, 4:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901/4596 "2016-08-18T04:34:31Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > Will not, as per what Trump said. He is what he is. (He may be channeling Popeye) > This makes not much sense as per your own words it is easy to clarify. > > **Again, there is no reason for the polls to pivot as Trump will not do it either.** it’s a shame that media has you all bent outa shape w/ this " pivot " word . carry on. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2016, 4:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901/4597 "2016-08-18T04:36:03Z")
**john L** is not understanding that posters have responded exactly to his obtusely stated belief that the debate will somehow potentially be a … let’s call it “positive inflection point” for Trump. Historically the debates have only impacted races outcomes that were close going into the debate. Which does not mean that it is impossible for Trump to so impress during the debates that he turns a consistent negative 5 to 7ish around … just that nothing like that has ever happened before and given that Trump is promising more of the same as he has delivered to date (no “pivot”) expecting the same to deliver dramatically different and historically unprecedented results is … well … an improbable thing to expect. It is an opinion that goes against the available evidence. But it could happen, not impossible. The question **john L** is what underlies your thought that polls will significantly change in Trump’s favor after the first debate? The posters who believe they won’t have been clear as to why they think that - Gallup’s review of the impact of past debates, the fact that a poll deficit still that large six weeks before election day has in the past been pretty dang sticky, and that Trump promises more of what has resulted in his current polling rather than any altering of his course now or during the debate. And just for the record … indeed your examples of your posts are what people are complaining about. Perhaps they make sense in the context of a conversation of other things you have said in your mind or allusions that you know you are referencing … but to others reading them they are at best cryptic shorthand drivebys of unclear meaning. The code you post in is not one that others here can decode. Humor our lack of ability to comprehend your plain spoken posts and try posting in language that we poor uneducated miscreants can understand please. Thank you. ---
**Author:** ![AnalogSignal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/analogsignal/32/1085_2.png) [@AnalogSignal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AnalogSignal)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2016, 4:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901/4598 "2016-08-18T04:44:04Z")
> [@john\_L](#): > > it’s a shame that media has you all bent outa shape w/ this " pivot " word . > > carry on. You could experiment with that mysterious Shift key on your keyboard. You can use it to make the first letter of your sentences or any other letters YUUGE. ---
**Author:** ![john\_L](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/c2a13f/32.png) [@john\_L](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/john_L)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2016, 4:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901/4599 "2016-08-18T04:47:48Z")
> [@DSeid](#): > > **john L** is not understanding that posters have responded exactly to his obtusely stated belief that the debate will somehow potentially be a … let’s call it “positive inflection point” for Trump. > > Historically the debates have only impacted races outcomes that were close going into the debate. Which does not mean that it is impossible for Trump to so impress during the debates that he turns a consistent negative 5 to 7ish around … just that nothing like that has ever happened before and given that Trump is promising more of the same as he has delivered to date (no “pivot”) expecting the same to deliver dramatically different and historically unprecedented results is … well … an improbable thing to expect. It is an opinion that goes against the available evidence. > > But it could happen, not impossible. > > \*\*The question **john L** is what underlies your thought that polls will significantly change in Trump’s favor after the first debate? \*\* > > The posters who believe they won’t have been clear as to why they think that - Gallup’s review of the impact of past debates, the fact that a poll deficit still that large six weeks before election day has in the past been pretty dang sticky, and that Trump promises more of what has resulted in his current polling rather than any altering of his course now or during the debate. > And just for the record … indeed your examples of your posts are what people are complaining about. Perhaps they make sense in the context of a conversation of other things you have said in your mind or allusions that you know you are referencing … but to others reading them they are at best cryptic shorthand drivebys of unclear meaning. The code you post in is not one that others here can decode. Humor our lack of ability to comprehend your plain spoken posts and try posting in language that we poor uneducated miscreants can understand please. Thank you. what a shame. wasted all those words on a false premise. as noted in bold above. carry on. ---
**Author:** ![john\_L](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/c2a13f/32.png) [@john\_L](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/john_L)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2016, 4:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901/4600 "2016-08-18T04:58:19Z")
> [@AnalogSignal](#): > > You could experiment with that mysterious Shift key on your keyboard. You can use it to make the first letter of your sentences or any other letters YUUGE. another comprehension case here ? :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2016, 5:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901/4601 "2016-08-18T05:02:29Z")
You guys, I think e e cummings is trying to communicate with us in haiku. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2016, 5:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901/4602 "2016-08-18T05:05:45Z")
> [@](#): > > Originally Posted by DSeid > \*\*The question john L is what underlies your thought that polls will significantly change in Trump’s favor after the first debate? \*\* > [@john\_L](#): > > what a shame. > wasted all those words on a false premise. as noted in bold above. > carry on. Well, john l, your premise was clearly stated in your earlier post: [QUOTE=john L] see how easy this can be ? you don’t think polls will change after 1st debate. i do. [/QUOTE] So you DO think that the polls will change after the 1st debate. You said so. I would like to ask then: as you clearly stated, as quoted above, what underlies your thought that polls will significantly change in Trump’s favor after the first debate? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901.md?page=229) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901.md?page=231)