# Donald Trump's 2016 General Election Campaign
**URL:** https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901
**Category:** Politics & Elections
**Created:** [May 4, 2016, 2:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901 "2016-05-04T02:37:34Z")
**Posts on this page:** 20
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### Author:  [@john\_L](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/john_L)
#### Post date: [August 19, 2016, 2:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901/4703 "2016-08-19T02:23:14Z")
> [@leftfield6](#):
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> You know you don’t get charged by the word here, right? Also\*\* capital letters are no extra charge.\*\* You make every post as cryptic as possible, is that for effect?
sorta like leftfield6 ? :rolleyes:
i guess it could be cryptic on my end ?
then again , it could just be comprehension on reader’s end. ?
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### Author:  [@leftfield6](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/leftfield6)
#### Post date: [August 19, 2016, 2:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901/4704 "2016-08-19T02:24:18Z")
> [@jsgoddess](#):
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> You really think his dig at women is cryptic?
No, not in that post, but his unwillingness to clearly communicate in general is bothersome. I was really addressing him more in general than to that post specifically.
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### Author:  [@john\_L](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/john_L)
#### Post date: [August 19, 2016, 2:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901/4705 "2016-08-19T02:30:19Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#):
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> Just words, only when Trump publicly repudiates his joined to the hip racial profiler and convicted contempt of court Sheriff Joe Arpaio I will consider that his empty words have some meaning to the Hispanic community that he has insulted several times.
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> He also should dump his joined, to his other hip, bigoted guys from Breitbart:
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> [https://mediamatters.org/blog/2016/08/17/what-you-need-know-about-trump-campaign-s-new-chief-executive-and-his-bigoted-website/212456](https://mediamatters.org/blog/2016/08/17/what-you-need-know-about-trump-campaign-s-new-chief-executive-and-his-bigoted-website/212456)
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> But Trump will not. Fine with me, because to the target rich environment of just Trump’s behavior and past we can add the racism and bigotry of his personnel and friends; we then have a good idea of what to expect from a Trump administration. Nothing good and a road to deterioration.
wow !! it’s amazing that you got all that stuff from his speech tonite. ?
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### Author:  [@Merneith](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merneith)
#### Post date: [August 19, 2016, 2:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901/4706 "2016-08-19T02:38:20Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#):
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> Just words, only when Trump publicly repudiates his joined to the hip racial profiler and convicted contempt of court Sheriff Joe Arpaio I will consider that his empty words have some meaning to the Hispanic community that he has insulted several times.
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> He also should dump his joined, to his other hip, bigoted guys from Breitbart:
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> [https://mediamatters.org/blog/2016/08/17/what-you-need-know-about-trump-campaign-s-new-chief-executive-and-his-bigoted-website/212456](https://mediamatters.org/blog/2016/08/17/what-you-need-know-about-trump-campaign-s-new-chief-executive-and-his-bigoted-website/212456)
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> But Trump will not. Fine with me, because to the target rich environment of just Trump’s behavior and past we can add the racism and bigotry of his personnel and friends; we then have a good idea of what to expect from a Trump administration. Nothing good and a road to deterioration.
Here’s the bit that stuck out to me from that article, GIGO -
**[Andrew Breitbart Reportedly Labeled Bannon The “Leni Riefenstahl Of The Tea Party Movement”](https://mediamatters.org/blog/2016/08/17/what-you-need-know-about-trump-campaign-s-new-chief-executive-and-his-bigoted-website/212456#8)**
And the kicker - Breitbart thought that was a compliment!
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### Author:  [@Junior\_Spaceman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Junior_Spaceman)
#### Post date: [August 19, 2016, 2:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901/4707 "2016-08-19T02:39:41Z")
> [@Merneith](#):
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> Here’s the bit that stuck out to me from that article, GIGO -
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> **[Andrew Breitbart Reportedly Labeled Bannon The “Leni Riefenstahl Of The Tea Party Movement”](https://mediamatters.org/blog/2016/08/17/what-you-need-know-about-trump-campaign-s-new-chief-executive-and-his-bigoted-website/212456#8)**
> And the kicker - Breitbart thought that was a compliment!
And that’s before he found out that she made movies! 😛
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### Author:  [@Ukulele\_Ike](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ukulele_Ike)
#### Post date: [August 19, 2016, 2:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901/4708 "2016-08-19T02:40:03Z")
Hey, Leni was a genius. Too bad about the whole Nazi thing, though.
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### Author:  [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)
#### Post date: [August 19, 2016, 2:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901/4709 "2016-08-19T02:41:09Z")
> [@john\_L](#):
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> wow !! it’s amazing that you got all that stuff from his speech tonite. ?
Do you also think that we should take one speech as if it took place in a vacuum?
Ignoring what Trump is doing, in the open, but not his non specific words in a speech is foolish. Actions speak louder than words.
Unless he is specific about what he is apologizing for I and many others can assume about what he needs to do to back those “apologies”.
Or then we should realize that Trump did not really apologize for **anything** , as he usually points out later.
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### Author:  [@Ukulele\_Ike](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ukulele_Ike)
#### Post date: [August 19, 2016, 2:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901/4710 "2016-08-19T02:43:31Z")
> [@Junior\_Spaceman](#):
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> And that’s before he found out that she made movies! 😛
Yeah…he just thought Bannon had a great rack and looked good in gold lame.
> **[Marlene Dietrich and Leni Riefenstahl’s Divided World](https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2015/10/19/bombshells-a-critic-at-large-pierpont)**
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> In the nineteen-thirties and forties, they became symbols of opposing sides of the war—and of the soul.
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### Author:  [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)
#### Post date: [August 19, 2016, 2:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901/4711 "2016-08-19T02:43:44Z")
> [@john\_L](#):
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> " let’s have a conversation " women . :rolleyes:
> repentance.
broads. amiright?
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### Author:  [@john\_L](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/john_L)
#### Post date: [August 19, 2016, 2:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901/4712 "2016-08-19T02:51:54Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#):
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> Do you also think that we should take one speech as if it took place in a vacuum?
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> Ignoring what Trump is doing, in the open, but his non specific words in a speech is foolish\*\*. Actions speak lauder than words. \*\*
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> Unless he is specific about what he is apologizing for I and many others can assume about what he needs to do to back those “apologies”.
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> Or then we should realize that Trump did not really apologize for **anything** , as he usually points out later.
they sure do.
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### Author:  [@john\_L](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/john_L)
#### Post date: [August 19, 2016, 2:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901/4713 "2016-08-19T02:54:27Z")
> [@Happy\_Lendervedder](#):
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> broads. amiright?
that’d be Joe Biden ! :rolleyes:
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### Author:  [@Merneith](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merneith)
#### Post date: [August 19, 2016, 3:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901/4714 "2016-08-19T03:10:33Z")
> [@Ukulele\_Ike](#):
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> Hey, Leni was a genius. Too bad about the whole Nazi thing, though.
Just like Donald!
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### Author:  [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)
#### Post date: [August 19, 2016, 3:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901/4715 "2016-08-19T03:15:09Z")
> [@john\_L](#):
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> they sure do.
BTW I did correct those words, your actions here only show that you are only willing to make others sound bad, but not to deal with what Trump is doing.
Joining guys like Joe Arpaio and remaining buddies with him and supporting each other is a very insulting **act** to many Hispanics and minorities.
> **[Arpaio: PI hired to investigate judge's wife](https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/local/phoenix/2015/04/23/joe-arpaio-apologizes-contempt-hearing-day-three-abrk/26240715/)**
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> Sheriff says his attorneys hired PI to look into political remark against Arpaio
> **[In Racial Profiling Lawsuit, Ariz. Judge Rules Sheriff Arpaio In Contempt Of...](https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/05/14/478050934/in-racial-profiling-lawsuit-ariz-judge-rules-sheriff-arpaio-in-contempt-of-court)**
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> The judge says Joe Arpaio has repeatedly and knowingly violated his orders to cease policing tactics against Latinos that he says amount to systemic racial profiling.
**Most of this was already known before Trump and Arpaio became joined to the hip:**
> **[Sheriff Joe Arpaio Endorses Donald Trump](https://time.com/4194585/joe-arpaio-donald-trump-endorsement/)**
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> Joe Arpaio, the controversial and self-proclaimed "toughest sheriff in America," has just endorsed Donald Trump for president.
> [@](#):
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> “I have great respect for Sheriff Arpaio,” Trump said in a statement about the endorsement. “We must restore law and order on the border and respect the men and women of our police forces. I thank him for his support of my policies and candidacy for President.”
Yeah, restore law and order **with** the help of a convicted racial profiler, a guy that was also convicted of contempt of court and also an abuser of the law. :rolleyes:
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### Author:  [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)
#### Post date: [August 19, 2016, 3:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901/4716 "2016-08-19T03:25:58Z")
> [@john\_L](#):
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> never did i say " polls\*\* will change in Trump’s favor after 1st debate "\*\*
> that was simply made up by others.
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> nobody knows who’ll win 1st debate.
> i don’t - you don’t.
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> but public’s perceived winner should get a boost in polls. …
Progress being made.
Still two questions unanswered and I’ll only re-ask the last one:
If you believe that there will be a significant change based on the debate performance on what do you base that belief?
The Gallup link documented that debate performance has rarely fundamentally changed a presidential contest in the past. [This article also](http://washingtonmonthly.com/magazine/septoct-2012/do-presidential-debates-really-matter/) discussed the typical lack of meaning impact, and even the exception proofs the rule: the one election that the debate may have played a role in was in a close election in which the small impact was therefore meaningful (and the percieved debate loser still had more votes).
Don’t get me wrong: I believe your position is defensible. For example, one can believe that public perception is all about exceeding expectations. There are low expectations for Trump and his performing adequately may be reassuring to some who want to vote against Clinton but have been too repulsed by Trump’s antics. One can argue that this election cycle is ahistoric, that never before have unfavorables been so high One can believe that Clinton will be very prepared, coming off presidential, while Trump will further cement his image as buffoon, leading to significant Clintonward impacts.
Personally I suspect that those who favor each candidate will believe their preferred candidate won and that the debate will have little impact. But we will see.
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### Author:  [@john\_L](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/john_L)
#### Post date: [August 19, 2016, 3:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901/4717 "2016-08-19T03:38:10Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#):
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> BTW I did correct those words, your actions here only show that you are only willing to make others sound bad, but not to deal with what Trump is doing.
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> Joining guys like Joe Arpaio and remaining buddies with him and supporting each other is a very insulting **act** to many Hispanics and minorities.
>
> [Arpaio: PI hired to investigate judge's wife](http://www.azcentral.com/story/news/local/phoenix/2015/04/23/joe-arpaio-apologizes-contempt-hearing-day-three-abrk/26240715/)
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> [In Racial Profiling Lawsuit, Ariz. Judge Rules Sheriff Joe Arpaio In Contempt Of Court : The Two-Way : NPR](http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/05/14/478050934/in-racial-profiling-lawsuit-ariz-judge-rules-sheriff-arpaio-in-contempt-of-court)
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> **Most of this was already known before Trump and Arpaio became joined to the hip:**
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> [Sheriff Joe Arpaio Endorses Donald Trump | TIME](http://time.com/4194585/joe-arpaio-donald-trump-endorsement/)
> Yeah, restore law and order **with** the help of a convicted racial profiler, a guy that was also convicted of contempt of court and also an abuser of the law. :rolleyes:
i didn’t hear any of this stuff above in Trump’s speech tonight.
so i can only comment on what i heard.
there is prolly an Arpaio thread here somewhere.
w/ people from that area that’d luv to discuss the sheriff / etc.
sure ain’t me.
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### Author:  [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)
#### Post date: [August 19, 2016, 3:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901/4718 "2016-08-19T03:51:45Z")
> [@john\_L](#):
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> i didn’t hear any of this stuff above in Trump’s speech tonight.
> so i can only comment on what i heard.
Like I said, he spoke of regrets, I demand that he demonstrates what that means.
“Actions speak louder than words. We can apologize over and over, but if our actions don’t change…the words become meaningless.”
> [@john\_L](#):
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> there is prolly an Arpaio thread here somewhere.
> w/ people from that area that’d luv to discuss the sheriff / etc.
> sure ain’t me.
But Trump **loves what he sees** in Arpaio. Now that you know, do not allow Trump to make America to be a better enabler of people like Arpaio.
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### Author:  [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)
#### Post date: [August 19, 2016, 3:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901/4719 "2016-08-19T03:52:58Z")
> [@DSeid](#):
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> The Gallup link documented that debate performance has rarely fundamentally changed a presidential contest in the past. [This article also](http://washingtonmonthly.com/magazine/septoct-2012/do-presidential-debates-really-matter/) discussed the typical lack of meaning impact, and even the exception proofs the rule: the one election that the debate may have played a role in was in a close election in which the small impact was therefore meaningful (and the percieved debate loser still had more votes).
I feel like that article is kind of bogus. Okay, so it’s hard to find an election where you can definitively say that the debates absolutely swung the contest from one candidate to the other (although there are a few examples where Sides overly soft-pedals the impact IMO). But in what election can you say \*any \*single event was dispositive? I would argue that the debates have much more impact on the race than any other regularly scheduled 90 minute event that occurs every four years. That impact is unlikely to be enough to swing the race all by itself–unless it’s quite close.
But political scientists believe that’s true of campaigns in general! Running a top-notch campaign from gun to tape is only going to make the difference, compared to running a kind of crappy campaign (maybe a little more competent than Trump’s current one), in years when various other factors make it close. But you still want to try to run a really good campaign, because _it might be close._
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### Author:  [@john\_L](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/john_L)
#### Post date: [August 19, 2016, 4:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901/4720 "2016-08-19T04:03:03Z")
> [@DSeid](#):
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> Progress being made.
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> Still two questions unanswered and I’ll only re-ask the last one:
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> If you believe that there will be a significant change based on the debate performance on what do you base that belief?
>
> The Gallup link documented that debate performance has rarely fundamentally changed a presidential contest in the past. [This article also](http://washingtonmonthly.com/magazine/septoct-2012/do-presidential-debates-really-matter/) discussed the typical lack of meaning impact, and even the exception proofs the rule: the one election that the debate may have played a role in was in a close election in which the small impact was therefore meaningful (and the percieved debate loser still had more votes).
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> Don’t get me wrong: I believe your position is defensible. For example, one can believe that public perception is all about exceeding expectations. There are low expectations for Trump and his performing adequately may be reassuring to some who want to vote against Clinton but have been too repulsed by Trump’s antics. One can argue that this election cycle is ahistoric, that never before have unfavorables been so high One can believe that Clinton will be very prepared, coming off presidential, while Trump will further cement his image as buffoon, leading to significant Clintonward impacts.
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> Personally I suspect that those who favor each candidate will believe their preferred candidate won and that the debate will have little impact. But we will see.
glad to see you admit your false premise. :rolleyes:
before you load all ya eggs into " gallup basket " … might wanna check their recent ranking amoungst all '16 potus pollsters.
bottom of barrel after '12 potus flop.
anyway… if Trump continues like he did tonite… may be much better off going into debate.
might be Hillary that needs debate win … not him !
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### Author:  [@john\_L](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/john_L)
#### Post date: [August 19, 2016, 4:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901/4721 "2016-08-19T04:14:50Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#):
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> Like I said, he spoke of regrets, **I demand that he** **demonstrates what that means.**
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> “Actions speak louder than words. We can apologize over and over, but if our actions don’t change…the words become meaningless.”
> But Trump **loves what he sees** in Arpaio. Now that you know, do not allow Trump to make America to be a better enabler of people like Arpaio.
make that **" demand "** to Trump campaign then. :rolleyes:
ain’t nothing i can do.
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### Author:  [@Derleth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Derleth)
#### Post date: [August 19, 2016, 4:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901/4722 "2016-08-19T04:17:29Z")
> [@john\_L](#):
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> anyway… if Trump continues like he did tonite… may be much better off going into debate.
> might be Hillary that needs debate win … not him !
Ignoring the majority of your post, I will say I agree with this part: _If_ Trump can maintain his Presidential Façade, and _if_ the Trump Campaigners can themselves refrain from any overtly troglodytic, treasonous, or terroristic turmoil, he might be able to score a few points off an excessively even-handed moderator lobbing softballs at the recently-reformed recidivist.
However, the moment someone asks a question designed to get under his thin skin, he’ll blow it and embarrass his party even further. He can’t handle a few protestors in his carefully-controlled rallies, so what makes you think he’ll be able to handle questions from Democrats in an actual open forum, let alone whatever zingers Clinton will use in her responses?
Whining about how unfair life is doesn’t win points with the undecideds, sparky, it only makes you look like a spoiled brat.
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