# Donald Trump's 2016 General Election Campaign **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [May 4, 2016, 2:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901 "2016-05-04T02:37:34Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 278
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2016, 4:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901/5543 "2016-09-01T16:59:11Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > And, don’t forget, to deport 12,000,000 Catholics, they will have to be, you know, rounded up and processed. “Processing centers” will be the new way we can avoid saying “concentration camps.” Don’t forget the “Freedom Trains” to get there. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2016, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901/5544 "2016-09-01T17:09:39Z")
As the article shows, political (mostly GOP) candidates have been doing this a lot, and it’s just wrong. I’d send Trump a cease-and-desist letter, then have a staffer keep track on C-SPAN how many times he’s used my song(s), and then sue, seeking big bucks for each usage. If someone who wants to “take care that the laws be faithfully executed” as POTUS won’t even respect an artist’s rights to his or her works, that could be an attack ad right there. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tooth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c67d28/32.png) [@The\_Tooth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tooth)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2016, 5:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901/5545 "2016-09-01T17:11:37Z")
> [@coremelt](#): > > The US needs to split up into East Coast, West Coast and “Flyover land” or “Jesusland” as some people have suggested. East Coast and West Coast would move way more left wing, and they can have their backwards racist bigoted country in the middle. Or maybe East and West coast can invite Canada to join them in a union to make a contiguous nation. Either way. No, but if those coastal regions want to become our Southeast and Southwest Territories, that might be okay. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tooth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c67d28/32.png) [@The\_Tooth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tooth)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2016, 5:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901/5546 "2016-09-01T17:13:47Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > Is ‘Sympathy for the Devil’, the campaign theme song? Come now. Surely it’s ‘Paint It Black’. ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2016, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901/5547 "2016-09-01T17:25:17Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > Trump and the current GOP are threatening to trample on the idea of Constitutional democratic republicanism. In what ways, specifically? ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2016, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901/5548 "2016-09-01T17:27:01Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > And, don’t forget, to deport 12,000,000 Catholics, they will have to be, you know, rounded up and processed. “Processing centers” will be the new way we can avoid saying “concentration camps.” Why do you feel the need to resort to hyperbole? There’s plenty of things to dislike about Trump without making wild and crazy Nazi references. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2016, 5:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901/5549 "2016-09-01T17:28:05Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > In what ways, specifically? Off the top of my head: violation of the First Amendment by treating Muslims differently than those with other religions and violation of the Constitutional birthright citizenship clause by pretending it doesn’t exist. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2016, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901/5550 "2016-09-01T17:35:28Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > As the article shows, political (mostly GOP) candidates have been doing this a lot, and it’s just wrong. I’d send Trump a cease-and-desist letter, then have a staffer keep track on C-SPAN how many times he’s used my song(s), and then sue, seeking big bucks for each usage. If someone who wants to “take care that the laws be faithfully executed” as POTUS won’t even respect an artist’s rights to his or her works, that could be an attack ad right there. It’s not some cut and dried law he is obviously violating. Most politicians stop when challenged because they don’t want to drag it through the courts or have a public feud. Trump is not so disinclined. Here’s a Hollywood Reporter article briefly discussing the complexities: > **[Why Donald Trump Should Have Gotten Song Permission from The Rolling Stones...](https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/business/business-news/why-donald-trump-should-have-914367/)** > > An ASCAP license covered much of what was played at the Republican National Convention. But maybe not everything. ---
**Author:** ![raventhief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/raventhief/32/4_2.png) [@raventhief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raventhief)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2016, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901/5551 "2016-09-01T17:42:45Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > [Trump says many good(well paid by him) lawyers…](http://www.politico.com/story/2015/08/donald-trump-bill-oreilly-interview-121515) The oath he is seeking to take is specifically to preserve, protect, and defend the constitution. Is he aware of that? I can just see him smirking and shrugging when asked to repeat that part- then saying “well, some of it.” ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2016, 5:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901/5552 "2016-09-01T17:48:32Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > Why can’t the Rolling Stones stop Trump from using their music at his rallies? Is it that once you pay your ASCAP fee, you can tell the artist to suck eggs? [hijack?] :eek: Are you unaware of the grave changes to intellectual property law a decade ago or so? IIRC, power was redirected toward Big Business, less toward the actual artist. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2016, 6:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901/5553 "2016-09-01T18:05:44Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > [hijack?] > :eek: Are you unaware of the grave changes to intellectual property law a decade ago or so? IIRC, power was redirected toward Big Business, less toward the actual artist. I’m not up on such things. The WaPo article referenced above was quite informative. Seems to me that the Stones could claim that Trump’s usage damages their brand. But I’m no lawyer. It was a bit of a hijack but it was part of his campaign rallies that I found upsetting (though by far not the most upsetting). ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2016, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901/5554 "2016-09-01T18:35:31Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > Why do you feel the need to resort to hyperbole? There’s plenty of things to dislike about Trump without making wild and crazy Nazi references. Please explain, in general terms, the processes needed to deport 12,000,000 people. To me, this process needs to include: 1. Laws stripping away rights. 2. The means to find these people. 3. The means to transport them. 4. The means to hold them in a facility prior to “deportation”. 5. Deporting. The only difference between the above and Hitler, '32, is step 5. Enslavement Encampment Deportation By any other name, it smells just as horrible. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2016, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901/5555 "2016-09-01T18:57:22Z")
#5 is a pretty big difference. Also, you wouldn’t need to strip away rights to deport people in the country illegally.And how is “the means to find these people” supposed to be a Hitler simarity? ---
**Author:** ![garygnu](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/garygnu/32/2924_2.png) [@garygnu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/garygnu)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2016, 7:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901/5556 "2016-09-01T19:05:10Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > #5 is a pretty big difference. Also, you wouldn’t need to strip away rights to deport people in the country illegally. Generally there must be proof of the “being in the country illegally” bit. Before that, the deportee-to-be has rights. Plus all the legal citizens and residents that will inevitably be rounded up, they have rights. In the zeal to “streamline” the process or making it easier to deport people, rights will invariably be stripped from the innocent. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2016, 7:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901/5557 "2016-09-01T19:06:08Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > #5 is a pretty big difference. \*\*Also, you wouldn’t need to strip away rights to deport people in the country illegally.\*\*And how is “the means to find these people” supposed to be a Hitler simarity? [Not so.](http://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/what-happens-when-undocumented-immigrant-is-caught.html) > [@](#): > > One of the greatest fears that undocumented immigrants have is being caught by U.S. immigration authorities. Often, this fear stems from the belief that they will immediately be deported to their home country without the chance to say goodbye to family and loved ones. Other times, it is the fear of the unknown, as in, “What will happen to me if I am caught?” > > The good news is that undocumented immigrants have certain rights when arrested by Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE). This agency must follow established procedures to help protect those rights. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2016, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901/5558 "2016-09-01T19:21:38Z")
I never said they had no rights, guys. I said you don’t have to strip away those rights to deport them. People get deported all the time. If you are going to deport them all in a week then yeah you’d probably have to cut some corners. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2016, 7:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901/5559 "2016-09-01T19:23:13Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > It’s not some cut and dried law he is obviously violating… I never said it was cut and dried. But I think the Stones and other objecting music groups have a pretty good shot at winning, especially when the Trump campaign persists even when asked to stop. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2016, 7:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901/5560 "2016-09-01T19:31:31Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > #5 is a pretty big difference. Also, you wouldn’t need to strip away rights to deport people in the country illegally.And how is “the means to find these people” supposed to be a Hitler simarity? Let’s not forget that if Trump gets the White House, he also gets the contents of all the NSA’s data facilities. (Not to mention the data collected by the FBI, CIA, etc.) > [@](#): > > Welcome to the Utah Data Center, a new home for the NSA’s exponentially expanding information trove. The $1.7bn facility, two years in the making, will soon host supercomputers to store gargantuan quantities of data from emails, phone calls, Google searches and other sources. … > **[Welcome to Utah, the NSA's desert home for eavesdropping on America](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jun/14/nsa-utah-data-facility)** > > The NSA's new $1.7bn facility in the heart of Mormon country has the potential to snoop on US citizens for decades to come ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2016, 7:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901/5561 "2016-09-01T19:34:46Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > I never said it was cut and dried. But I think the Stones and other objecting music groups have a pretty good shot at winning, especially when the Trump campaign persists even when asked to stop. The fact that he persists after being asked to stop has nothing to do with it afaik. According to the article I linked: > [@](#): > > To sum up where we’re at: An ASCAP license covers the public performance of songwriting, but not the sound recording. A sound recording authored before 1972 like “You Can’t Always Get What You Want” might require special permission to be performed in public. Whomever owns that song — whether it’s the Rolling Stones or their record label — could bring a lawsuit asserting misappropriation. > > If that happens, a judge would look to the law of Ohio where the Republican National Convention was held. Does the state protect against the unauthorized performance of sound recordings? Quite possibly yes. And if Trump wanted to play it safe, he could do an easy end run as the article continues: > [@](#): > > Those reading closely might wonder why The Rolling Stones might have a good lawsuit — but not The Turtles, who have already shown a willingness to sue over use of “Happy Together,” published in 1967? And why not the estate of George Harrison over “Here Comes the Sun,” published in 1969? At the Republican convention, neither sound recording was actually played. Instead, the house band played cover songs. In other words, the Republicans performed the compositions — again, the ASCAP license deals with that — and in doing so, they avoided facing the type of very specific lawsuit available to address public performance of pre-1972 sound recordings. ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2016, 7:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901/5562 "2016-09-01T19:42:02Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > Let’s not forget that if Trump gets the White House, he also gets the contents of all the NSA’s data facilities. (Not to mention the data collected by the FBI, CIA, etc.) > [Welcome to Utah, the NSA's desert home for eavesdropping on America | NSA | The Guardian](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jun/14/nsa-utah-data-facility) Every _single_ time I drive by that building, I mutter cursewords under my breath. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901.md?page=277) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901.md?page=279)