# Donald Trump's 2016 General Election Campaign **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [May 4, 2016, 2:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901 "2016-05-04T02:37:34Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 279
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2016, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901/5563 "2016-09-01T19:45:59Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > Please explain, in general terms, the processes needed to deport 12,000,000 people. To me, this process needs to include: > > 1. Laws stripping away rights. > 2. The means to find these people. > 3. The means to transport them. > 4. The means to hold them in a facility prior to “deportation”. > 5. Deporting. > > The only difference between the above and Hitler, '32, is step 5. > > Enslavement > Encampment > Deportation > > By any other name, it smells just as horrible. “enslavement” and “encampment”, if you’re inclined to use such hyperbolic terms, are exactly what we do with criminals of every stripe that we catch: rape someone, lock 'em up in prison, take away (a bunch of) their rights, etc. Kill someone, ditto, sell drugs, ditto, bank fraud, ditto, tax evasion, ditto. Why is it Hitler-esque with illegal immigrants, but not so with drug dealers or child pornographers? The War on Drugs has left the 4th Amendment an empty shell of what it once was. If you’re worried about rights getting eroded, it’s already happened, and it’s got nothing to do with Trump’s push to deport illegals. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2016, 7:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901/5564 "2016-09-01T19:46:30Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > Every _single_ time I drive by that building, I mutter cursewords under my breath. And they’re probably being recorded, and archived. 🆒 ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2016, 7:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901/5565 "2016-09-01T19:47:31Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > violation of the First Amendment by treating Muslims differently than those with other religions… Would your objection be muted if the distinction were based on country of origin and not religion? ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2016, 7:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901/5566 "2016-09-01T19:48:41Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > And they’re probably being recorded, and archived. 🆒 That’s why it’s “under my breath” :mad: ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2016, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901/5567 "2016-09-01T20:12:30Z")
Oh, they’ve got the tech to catch the under-the-breath stuff. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2016, 8:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901/5568 "2016-09-01T20:13:30Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > #5 is a pretty big difference. Also, you wouldn’t need to strip away rights to deport people in the country illegally.And how is “the means to find these people” supposed to be a Hitler simarity? Stormtroopers. Armed forces, kicking in doors of peoples houses. Families, ripped apart on city streets. People in hiding. Paying for informants. The entire mechanism needed to locate and find these people require the heavy use of arms, and the mechanism needed to punish Americans who are protecting their friends and family members also requires the heavy use of arms. [This](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/36/Inselian.jpg) is to be repeated 12,000,000 times in a neighborhood near you. Does that not look like a heavy use of arms? Or do you think this is just going to happen peacefully, with 12,000,000 people strolling across the border singing “Kumbaya”? :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Voyager](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voyager/32/133_2.png) [@Voyager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Voyager)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2016, 8:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901/5569 "2016-09-01T20:13:45Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > Would your objection be muted if the distinction were based on country of origin and not religion? The country of origin chosen based on religion. Unless Trump plans to ban immigration from Belgium, that is. One more - Trump wants to make it easier to sue the press for libel (of him) which would violate the first amendment based on current Supreme Court rulings. My son-in-law spent some time doing immigration law in LA - no picnic. Deporting a million or two million people in an hour, besides being bullshit, would clearly violate due process rights. Letting police choose who to deport (since they know who the criminals are) also violates due process rights. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2016, 8:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901/5570 "2016-09-01T20:18:35Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > “enslavement” and “encampment”, if you’re inclined to use such hyperbolic terms, are exactly what we do with criminals of every stripe that we catch: rape someone, lock 'em up in prison, take away (a bunch of) their rights, etc. Kill someone, ditto, sell drugs, ditto, bank fraud, ditto, tax evasion, ditto. Why is it Hitler-esque with illegal immigrants, but not so with drug dealers or child pornographers? The War on Drugs has left the 4th Amendment an empty shell of what it once was. If you’re worried about rights getting eroded, it’s already happened, and it’s got nothing to do with Trump’s push to deport illegals. 12,000,000 people, Catholics, rounded up and encamped in large sprawling complexes in the desert Southwest. In Arizona, New Mexico, Texas. Cattle cars full of people criss-crossing the country. A wall being built to keep people out… and, who knows, eventually to keep them in, too? Laws being changed to make the above illegal. Attitudes being changed to make the above acceptable. Arguments being made saying “He doesn’t mean what he’s saying” or “He doesn’t know what he’s saying.” That is the future of Trump’s America. It took Germany 3-6 years to do this to 6,000,000 Jews who lived out in the open, in a society _without_ 200,000,000+ guns, 20,000,000,000 bullets. _How else are you going to do this in the timetables he is insisting this be done in? What is the process involved in identifying, locating, rounding up, collecting, and encamping 12,000,000 souls in a few months look like to you?_ Honestly, the above needs to be the first question(s) asked Trump in any debate. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2016, 8:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901/5571 "2016-09-01T20:45:37Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > 12,000,000 people, Catholics, rounded up and encamped in large sprawling complexes in the desert Southwest. In Arizona, New Mexico, Texas. … Small quibble: the camps will be next to the crops that need picking (the California Central Valley; the Florida citrus fields; the New Jersey cranberry bogs, etc.) Otherwise: yes, as you say. ---
**Author:** ![Trinopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/2bfe46/32.png) [@Trinopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trinopus)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2016, 8:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901/5572 "2016-09-01T20:45:38Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > Why do you feel the need to resort to hyperbole? There’s plenty of things to dislike about Trump without making wild and crazy Nazi references. It ain’t hyperbole. To round up twelve million residents would require processing centers, and a lot of other highly intrusive measures. These centers would not be death camps, but they would be primitive – would you expect comfort the level of country-club prisons? The idea is simply too big to be handled with any kind of decent treatment for internees. ---
**Author:** ![DWMarch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dwmarch/32/1010_2.png) [@DWMarch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DWMarch)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2016, 8:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901/5573 "2016-09-01T20:56:10Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > 12,000,000 people, Catholics, rounded up and encamped in large sprawling complexes in the desert Southwest. In Arizona, New Mexico, Texas. > > Cattle cars full of people criss-crossing the country. > > A wall being built to keep people out… and, who knows, eventually to keep them in, too? > > Laws being changed to make the above illegal. > > Attitudes being changed to make the above acceptable. > > Arguments being made saying “He doesn’t mean what he’s saying” or “He doesn’t know what he’s saying.” > > That is the future of Trump’s America. > > It took Germany 3-6 years to do this to 6,000,000 Jews who lived out in the open, in a society _without_ 200,000,000+ guns, 20,000,000,000 bullets. > > _How else are you going to do this in the timetables he is insisting this be done in? What is the process involved in identifying, locating, rounding up, collecting, and encamping 12,000,000 souls in a few months look like to you?_ > > Honestly, the above needs to be the first question(s) asked Trump in any debate. It’s the equivalent of evacuating Manhattan… eight times over. ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2016, 9:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901/5574 "2016-09-01T21:10:08Z")
> [@DWMarch](#): > > It’s the equivalent of evacuating Manhattan… eight times over. Or the entire population of the state of Ohio. ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2016, 9:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901/5575 "2016-09-01T21:25:03Z")
> [@Voyager](#): > > … Deporting a million or two million people in an hour, … > [@JohnT](#): > > _How else are you going to do this in the timetables he is insisting this be done in? What is the process involved in identifying, locating, rounding up, collecting, and encamping 12,000,000 souls in a few months look like to you?_ Maybe I missed it. Did Trump say somewhere that he expects to deport all 12+ million illegals in the first few hours / months of his presidency? ---
**Author:** ![bucketybuck](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/898d66/32.png) [@bucketybuck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bucketybuck)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2016, 9:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901/5576 "2016-09-01T21:32:55Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > If you are going to deport them all in a week then yeah you’d probably have to cut some corners. A week? I thought it was an hour? ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2016, 9:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901/5577 "2016-09-01T21:34:17Z")
> [@bucketybuck](#): > > A week? I thought it was an hour? no no no, it’s apparently 1-2 million per hour, for a total deportation timeline of 6-12 hours :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![raventhief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/raventhief/32/4_2.png) [@raventhief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raventhief)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2016, 9:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901/5578 "2016-09-01T21:36:09Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > Maybe I missed it. Did Trump say somewhere that he expects to deport all 12+ million illegals in the first few hours / months of his presidency? He’s going to deport the “criminal illegal immigrants” in the first hour of his presidency. > **[Trump Would Deport ‘Criminal Illegal Immigrants’ In First Hour Of Presidency](https://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/trump-would-deport-criminal-illegal-aliens-within-an-hour)** > > At an event in Iowa Saturday, Donald Trump continued to be vague about his comprehensive immigration plan, but promised he would deport "criminal illegal immigrants" within an hour of being sworn in… ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2016, 9:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901/5579 "2016-09-01T21:39:44Z")
> [@raventhief](#): > > He’s going to deport the “criminal illegal immigrants” in the first hour of his presidency. > > [Trump Would Deport ‘Criminal Illegal Immigrants’ In First Hour Of Presidency - TPM – Talking Points Memo](http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/trump-would-deport-criminal-illegal-aliens-within-an-hour) The quote, from your link, was actually: “We are going to get rid of the criminals and it’s going to happen within one hour after I take office, we start, okay?” Trump isn’t always precise with his language, but the inclusion of “we start” seems to suggest that he’ll, you know, START the process within the first hour of his presidency, at least for criminal illegals, not that it will necessary be completed within the first hour. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2016, 9:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901/5580 "2016-09-01T21:45:15Z")
> [@raventhief](#): > > He’s going to deport the “criminal illegal immigrants” in the first hour of his presidency. > > [Trump Would Deport ‘Criminal Illegal Immigrants’ In First Hour Of Presidency - TPM – Talking Points Memo](http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/trump-would-deport-criminal-illegal-aliens-within-an-hour) Ffs. Look,he’s nutso and babbles but you don’t do yourself any favours when you misread him purposely. Your article quotes “We are going to get rid of the criminals and it’s going to happen within one hour after I take office, we start, okay?” ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2016, 9:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901/5581 "2016-09-01T21:45:59Z")
> [@coremelt](#): > > The US needs to split up into East Coast, West Coast and “Flyover land” or “Jesusland” as some people have suggested. East Coast and West Coast would move way more left wing, and they can have their backwards racist bigoted country in the middle. Or maybe East and West coast can invite Canada to join them in a union to make a contiguous nation. Either way. This characterization is highly unfair to landlocked\* blue states. Illinois, Michigan, Minnesota, Colorado, and New Mexico have to join “Jesusland”, but South Carolina hangs with the East Coast? :dubious: > [@raventhief](#): > > He’s going to deport the “criminal illegal immigrants” in the first hour of his presidency. > > [Trump Would Deport ‘Criminal Illegal Immigrants’ In First Hour Of Presidency - TPM – Talking Points Memo](http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/trump-would-deport-criminal-illegal-aliens-within-an-hour) He said “we will begin” to do so in the first hours. \*Actually, the first three I listed are not landlocked but have ports serving huge oceangoing vessels. ---
**Author:** ![Merneith](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/57b2e6/32.png) [@Merneith](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merneith)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2016, 9:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901/5582 "2016-09-01T21:46:35Z")
Out of curiosity - how do you suppose he intends to _find_ these criminal illegals, given that he’s talking about _criminals_ who didn’t register with the immigration office? Aren’t all the _illegal_ aliens, _criminals_, in Trumptopia? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901.md?page=278) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901.md?page=280)