# Donald Trump's 2016 General Election Campaign **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [May 4, 2016, 2:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901 "2016-05-04T02:37:34Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 341
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2016, 9:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901/6803 "2016-09-19T21:49:00Z")
There’s something I find especially galling, not so much about Trump but about the people who buy into his narrative of being a no bulshit politician who talks straight. He actually engages in as much or more cynical bullshittery than any politician you will find, but then he is willing to tell reporters that he has been doing so, without paying a political price. That type of candor doesn’t make him better than other politicians, it just makes him more contemptuous of his followers, and it makes them more dull-witted for continuing to follow him anyway. > **[Trump Surrogates Push Narrative That Clinton Started 'Birtherism'](https://abcnews.go.com/amp/Politics/trump-surrogates-push-narrative-clinton-started-birtherism/story?id=42176658)** > > The GOP candidate's supporters pushed the idea in interviews Sunday. > [@](#): > > In an August 2013 interview with ABC News’ Jon Karl, for example, Trump stood behind his push to reveal Obama’s “true birth status.” > > Karl asked, “You don’t acknowledge that you went overboard on this whole birther stuff?” > > Trump replied, “Actually, I think it made me very popular, if you want to know the truth, OK? So I do think I know what I’m doing.” :smack: ---
**Author:** ![drad\_dog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@drad\_dog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drad_dog)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2016, 9:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901/6804 "2016-09-19T21:55:41Z")
> [@TheStake](#): > > I want Obamacare overturned or at least fixed. > I think that the people who came into America illegally should be deported (as they have broke the law). I am not saying I am against immigration, but it should be legal. For the large part of my family that is Filipino, it is something worth doing correctly. > I hate the deal with Iran. I have seen argument points about how it will slow them down, but I thought the embargos were doing just fine. > I do not want this Obama apologizing for America business. (Japan) > I was very skeptical of the gay marriage thing, because of possible legal issues, but none have arisen. So I can’t say anything bad there, because everyone deserves happiness. > I feel like she will not lead a war on ISIS correctly. Not against muslims in general. As I fear Trump will. (Sadly for both points) > I feel like she has been, and will continue, to use her position to amplify her foundation. > I also fear that there is a lot of information out there that can be used against her. (Talking email leaks) > Then of course the 2nd amendment issues that I have. > > Those are the issues I am working for and that I aim to find the straight dope on. > I never expected my choices to be between Trump and Hillary, so I am still learning as much as I can. Most information seems biased and leaning one way or another. I can make a list equally long about things that I do not like about Trump, however I feel that I am stuck in this position, because of that list. > > Sorry If my list is ignorant. I do not claim to have any of that in fact. That is why I am on here reading constantly. My outburst earlier was because I feel like the name calling and shit is pointless. Someone telling me Trump and his supporters are everything that the “deplorables” are. I feel that over using words like that take away their power. > > So tear me apart I suppose, but I felt obliged for running my mouth, to at least give my reasons, and maybe find some enlightenment. > > Sorry, figured I would add going home. I will be on to check, read, and reply tomorrow. Gnite folks. Sorry man but this is very thin soup talking points, the thinnest kleenex covering for why to vote for Donald. Remember Hillarys foundation is charitable. Trumps company is for the benefit of Trump, as was Trump U, and everything else he has done and will do when in office. Do you believe he can change or that the media will rein him in? Why should we have to trust that they will anyway? You have just given us a list of things you are willfully overlooking. ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2016, 10:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901/6805 "2016-09-19T22:14:38Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > And have you done any research as to which people Trump is considering for the SC? Yes. ---
**Author:** ![Siam\_Sam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2016, 10:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901/6806 "2016-09-19T22:22:55Z")
Trump was just shown on CNN addressing a rally where he complained bitterly that the NJ/NYC bombing suspect was going to be given medical care. ---
**Author:** ![Barack\_Obama](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/dc4da7/32.png) [@Barack\_Obama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Barack_Obama)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2016, 10:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901/6807 "2016-09-19T22:35:10Z")
> [@Siam\_Sam](#): > > Trump was just shown on CNN addressing a rally where he complained bitterly that the NJ/NYC bombing suspect was going to be given medical care. He should of mentioned how he’s also going to be given prison time, and have to go through the court system, all of which will come out our pockets. I really can’t take this race seriously, It seems like one big publicity stunt / cash grab for both candidates imo. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2016, 10:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901/6808 "2016-09-19T22:46:03Z")
> [@Siam\_Sam](#): > > Trump was just shown on CNN addressing a rally where he complained bitterly that the NJ/NYC bombing suspect was going to be given medical care. I for one can’t wait for the glorious day when officers will finally be empowered to have a suspect kneel in the street and give them a fatal shot in the back of the head. This is the kind of ideal this Christian country was built on! ---
**Author:** ![Siam\_Sam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2016, 10:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901/6809 "2016-09-19T22:46:38Z")
> [@Barack\_Obama](#): > > He should of mentioned how he’s also going to be given prison time, and have to go through the court system, all of which will come out our pockets. > > I really can’t take this race seriously, It seems like one big publicity stunt / cash grab for both candidates imo. I think Trump expects to be judge, jury and executioner in cases like these if elected, thereby saving the taxpayers money. ---
**Author:** ![Ambrosio\_Spinola](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9de0a6/32.png) [@Ambrosio\_Spinola](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ambrosio_Spinola)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2016, 10:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901/6810 "2016-09-19T22:50:57Z")
> [@Siam\_Sam](#): > > I think Trump expects to be judge, jury and executioner in cases like these if elected, thereby saving the taxpayers money. Yes, apparently giving terror suspects lawyers will [unreasonably slow down the harsh punishments](http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2016/09/19/donald_trump_on_the_right_to_counsel_for_ahmad_khan_rahami.html) they should receive. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2016, 10:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901/6811 "2016-09-19T22:51:13Z")
[John Kasich and Rience Priebus are feuding over Priebus’s pledge to get revenge on Republicans who won’t endorse Trump.](http://bipartisanreport.com/2016/09/19/john-kasich-ignites-all-out-republican-civil-war-tells-gop-chairman-to-shove-it-details/) ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2016, 10:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901/6812 "2016-09-19T22:54:27Z")
> [@Bridget\_Burke](#): > > So, is that your _only_ issue? Don’t you have anything else you can be specific about? Sure, there’s lots of other reasons that I hope Trump beats Clinton. Specifically: taxes and border security come to mind at the moment. Free speech is another one. Or were you referring to other SCOTUS issues? If so, we could talk about _Kelo_, or _Citizens United_ ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2016, 10:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901/6813 "2016-09-19T22:56:44Z")
> [@](#): > > “His case will go through the various court systems for years and in the end, people will forget and his punishment will not be what it once would have been. What a sad situation. We must have speedy but fair trials and we must deliver a just and very harsh punishment to these people.” Unless, perhaps, he’s not guilty. Trump is really living up to the old joke, "“First we have the fair trial, then we hang him”( attributed to Judge Roy Bean) ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2016, 11:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901/6814 "2016-09-19T23:00:13Z")
> [@Anny\_Middon](#): > > According to the National Review (hardly a liberal publication) [you might want to rethink that.](http://www.nationalreview.com/article/438669/) > > After discussing how Supreme Court picks over the next presidency won’t matter nearly as much as some would have you believe, the article goes on: Everyone’s entitled to make their own value judgements about how much or little they think SCOTUS appointments matter. I happen to disagree with Ian Tuttle. I think it’s very significant. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2016, 11:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901/6815 "2016-09-19T23:02:58Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > . Free speech is another one. I wonder how you square your value of Free Speech with the things that Trump has actually said? Just today, when Trump was asked what he would do to stop “people who are radicalized here.” Trump, in reply, said that “freedom of the press,” a protected constitutional right, was to blame. As well as Trump’s previous statements, wherein he said that he wanted to loosen up libel laws to make it easier to go after news outlets that write nasty things about him. How exactly will Trump help with “Free Speech”? Do you think he was just joking? Or that he’d only stifle free speech that you disagree with? ---
**Author:** ![drad\_dog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@drad\_dog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drad_dog)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2016, 11:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901/6816 "2016-09-19T23:03:11Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > Sure, there’s lots of other reasons that I hope Trump beats Clinton. Specifically: taxes and border security come to mind at the moment. Free speech is another one. > > Or were you referring to other SCOTUS issues? If so, we could talk about _Kelo_, or _Citizens United_ Free speech? So you’re spoofing? Taxes? more spoof? Border security? That’s it? It’s OK if you just hope he beats Clinton because you want her to be beaten no matter what. But I guess it’s not as easy to slip in here. ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2016, 11:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901/6817 "2016-09-19T23:03:57Z")
> [@Yersenia\_Pestis](#): > > … 1 stupid issue that, lets face it, won’t ever really change (see guns: no one is coming after them, they should but NO one is)… You’re very clearly wrong about this. Lots of things change on the gun rights front. For example, the Heller and McDonald decisions, shall-issue laws have swept the nation, and in Massachusetts the Attorney General just banned a whole slew of guns. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2016, 11:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901/6818 "2016-09-19T23:16:38Z")
It can’t be done. Even if Hillary, ninety percent of the voting public, Congress, the Supremes were all in perfect harmony to Get Rid of Guns…it couldn’t be done. How many gun confiscation agents would have to be hired? How many doors would be politely knocked upon until someone opens fire? Will the agents be armed, authorized to return fire? The question is absurd, it cannot be done, there are simply too damned many of the things. Even if she wanted to, she couldn’t do it. Worry about something more reasonable, like Cthulu. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2016, 11:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901/6819 "2016-09-19T23:21:47Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > Sure, there’s lots of other reasons that I hope Trump beats Clinton. Specifically: taxes and border security come to mind at the moment. Free speech is another one. > > Or were you referring to other SCOTUS issues? If so, we could talk about _Kelo_, or _Citizens United_ I wonder how you justify your support of Trump when a [recent analysis](http://taxfoundation.org/article/details-and-analysis-donald-trump-tax-reform-plan-september-2016) shows that: - federal revenue would fall by between $4.4 trillion and $5.9 trillion. So, in the absence of major, MAJOR cuts (to SS and medicare), this would lead to large deficits for the foreseeable future. - On a static basis, the plan would lead to 0.8 percent higher after-tax income for all taxpayer quintiles. The plan would lead to at least 10.2 percent higher incomes for the top 1 percent of taxpayers or as much as 16.0 percent higher, depending on the nature of a key business policy provision. So you are willing to vote Trump to get 0.8 percent higher after tax income. Unless of course you are in the top 1percent of taxpayers, in which case you’ll get 10.2 to 16 percent higher income. If I am not in the top 1% of taxpayers then, I should probably not vote Trump, agreed? ---
**Author:** ![Neo-Calredic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/96bed5/32.png) [@Neo-Calredic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Neo-Calredic)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2016, 11:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901/6820 "2016-09-19T23:24:44Z")
> [@Ambrosio\_Spinola](#): > > Yes, apparently giving terror suspects lawyers will [unreasonably slow down the harsh punishments](http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2016/09/19/donald_trump_on_the_right_to_counsel_for_ahmad_khan_rahami.html) they should receive. Maybe Trump should just make things simpler and give us all a list of which parts of the constitution he **doesn’t** have a problem with. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2016, 11:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901/6821 "2016-09-19T23:24:55Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > Sure, there’s lots of other reasons that I hope Trump beats Clinton. Specifically: taxes and border security come to mind at the moment. Free speech is another one. Border security. So you’re a fan of “The Big Wall” then? Have you given a thought to the logistics of this? Do you believe (as Trump yells over and over) that Mexico will magically pay for it? If you agree that “The Wall” is simply a hyperbolic bit of speechifying that Trump likes to give, then what SPECIFIC policies of Trump lead you to believe he will be better at border security? ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2016, 11:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901/6822 "2016-09-19T23:26:48Z")
> [@Neo-Calredic](#): > > Maybe Trump should just make things simpler and give us all a list of which parts of the constitution he **doesn’t** have a problem with. :rolleyes: He’s pretty good with the part that gives the president the right of Droit du seigneur. I think that’s in there somewhere, right? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901.md?page=340) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901.md?page=342)