# Donald Trump's 2016 General Election Campaign **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [May 4, 2016, 2:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901 "2016-05-04T02:37:34Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 348
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2016, 4:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901/6943 "2016-09-21T04:12:52Z")
> [@Evil\_Economist](#): > > I was looking at total number of terrorists, 54, for LPR. Do you now understand why that’s a shitty and flawed analysis? That’s like saying Californians are the most rapey and murderey just because there are 39 million of them. ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Economist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c89c15/32.png) [@Evil\_Economist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Economist)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2016, 4:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901/6944 "2016-09-21T04:16:40Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > Do you now understand why that’s a shitty and flawed analysis? That’s like saying Californians are the most rapey and murderey just because there are 39 million of them. First, congratulations on understanding the concept of ratios. I remember it’s a concept you had trouble with when it came to interpreting the DOJ report on Ferguson. Second, if it’s ratios you care about, you should be most concerned with K-1 visas, with one (terrorism-related) murder per 43,152 K-1 visas issued (compared to 1 (terrorism-related) murder per 1.1 million refugees) Third, you should address the point that no refugee terrorist has killed anyone since the 1970’s. Third time I’ve asked. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2016, 4:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901/6945 "2016-09-21T04:31:49Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > At least that was the goal the last time a Clinton started a war (Bill, not Hillary): > [Kosovo War - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kosovo_War) Are you asserting that Bill Clinton started the Kosovo War? ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2016, 4:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901/6946 "2016-09-21T04:32:33Z")
> [@Evil\_Economist](#): > > First, congratulations on understanding the concept of ratios. I remember it’s a concept you had trouble with when it came to interpreting the DOJ report on Ferguson. > > Second, if it’s ratios you care about, you should be most concerned with K-1 visas, with one (terrorism-related) murder per 43,152 K-1 visas issued (compared to 1 (terrorism-related) murder per 1.1 million refugees) I’ll take that as a “yes”. > [@Evil\_Economist](#): > > Third, you should address the point that no refugee terrorist has killed anyone since the 1970’s. Third time I’ve asked. Let’s talk about Abdullatif Ali Aldosary. What do you know about his case? ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2016, 4:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901/6947 "2016-09-21T04:36:19Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > Are you asserting that Bill Clinton started the Kosovo War? Since we’re hot for Cato Institute links today, here’s one that seems relevant: [http://www.cato.org/publications/commentary/end-bill-clintons-war](http://www.cato.org/publications/commentary/end-bill-clintons-war) No, I don’t think he really _started_ the war, but he did get US involved in it. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2016, 4:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901/6948 "2016-09-21T04:36:55Z")
> [@](#): > > …Let’s talk about Abdullatif Ali Aldosary. What do you know about his case? His name is difficult to pronounce. Do posts come with trailers now? Previews of coming attractions? ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Economist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c89c15/32.png) [@Evil\_Economist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Economist)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2016, 4:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901/6949 "2016-09-21T04:37:54Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > Let’s talk about Abdullatif Ali Aldosary. What do you know about his case? He sounds scary. How many terrorism-related murders did he commit? ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2016, 4:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901/6950 "2016-09-21T04:40:23Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > From your citation, his name is difficult to pronounce. Do posts come with trailers now? Previews of coming attractions? Sure. He was a refugee. He was a terrorist. He killed an American. All of this happened after the passage of the Refugee Act of 1980. I eagerly await Evil Economist’s backtracking / revision from “no refugee terrorist has killed anyone since the 1970’s.” (It’s the third time he asked, you know?) ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2016, 4:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901/6951 "2016-09-21T04:41:51Z")
> [@Evil\_Economist](#): > > He sounds scary. How many terrorism-related murders did he commit? Ahh, moving the goal posts already. Tell me if you can spot the difference: “no refugee terrorist has killed anyone since the 1970’s” “terrorism-related murders” ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2016, 4:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901/6952 "2016-09-21T04:43:41Z")
I accept your explanation that proving somebody wrong about a detail is as close to winning as you are gonna get. A little like spiking the ball on a fair catch, isn’t it? Anyway I’m sure we are all suitably impressed. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2016, 4:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901/6953 "2016-09-21T04:43:53Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > Since we’re hot for Cato Institute links today, here’s one that seems relevant: [http://www.cato.org/publications/commentary/end-bill-clintons-war](http://www.cato.org/publications/commentary/end-bill-clintons-war) > > No, I don’t think he really _started_ the war, but he did get US involved in it. You said in the post I quoted “the last time a Clinton started a war (Bill, not Hillary)” and immediately followed it with a link to the Kosovo War wiki page. Why did you say what you said and provide that link if you weren’t asserting that Bill Clinton started the Kosovo War? ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2016, 4:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901/6954 "2016-09-21T04:45:09Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > Sure. He was a refugee. He was a terrorist. He killed an American. All of this happened after the passage of the Refugee Act of 1980. I eagerly await Evil Economist’s backtracking / revision from “no refugee terrorist has killed anyone since the 1970’s.” (It’s the third time he asked, you know?) Cite that he was a refugee? ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2016, 4:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901/6955 "2016-09-21T04:45:53Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > Ahh, moving the goal posts already. Tell me if you can spot the difference: > > “no refugee terrorist has killed anyone since the 1970’s” > > “terrorism-related murders” Oh for God’s sake. Seriously? You’re going to parse it that way, just to get a “victory”? I hope you’re happy with that. ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2016, 4:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901/6956 "2016-09-21T04:47:13Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > Cite that he was a refugee? The [same Cato Institute study that we’ve been referring to](http://object.cato.org/sites/cato.org/files/pubs/pdf/pa798_1_1.pdf), page 21. ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Economist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c89c15/32.png) [@Evil\_Economist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Economist)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2016, 4:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901/6957 "2016-09-21T04:48:42Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > Ahh, moving the goal posts already. Tell me if you can spot the difference: > > “no refugee terrorist has killed anyone since the 1970’s” > > “terrorism-related murders” Are you not aware that we’ve been discussing terrorism? ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2016, 4:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901/6958 "2016-09-21T04:49:12Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > Oh for God’s sake. Seriously? You’re going to parse it that way, just to get a “victory”? I hope you’re happy with that. I’m not the one parsing here, Evil Economist is. ---
**Author:** ![coremelt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/4491bb/32.png) [@coremelt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/coremelt)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2016, 4:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901/6959 "2016-09-21T04:51:49Z")
Re: Taco-Gate and Skittle Gate, next please Pizza-Gate: > [@MacCat](#): > > [You missed it?](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Asv7EB1btok) That’s from 2011. You expect me to remember that far back? Ok fine, thats acceptable, someone please make a political gaffe involving chinese food next… ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Economist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c89c15/32.png) [@Evil\_Economist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Economist)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2016, 4:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901/6960 "2016-09-21T04:54:18Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > I’m not the one parsing here, Evil Economist is. Go read my post 6935, from before you mentioned your non-terrorist refugee. The one where I explicitly mentioned that I was discussing terrorism-related murders. Please note that for most people I wouldn’t have bothered to make that obvious clarification. But I’ve talked to you before. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2016, 4:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901/6961 "2016-09-21T04:55:34Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > The [same Cato Institute study that we’ve been referring to](http://object.cato.org/sites/cato.org/files/pubs/pdf/pa798_1_1.pdf), page 21. Thank you. Do you have a cite that he was a terrorist? ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Economist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c89c15/32.png) [@Evil\_Economist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Economist)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2016, 4:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901/6962 "2016-09-21T04:58:25Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > The [same Cato Institute study that we’ve been referring to](http://object.cato.org/sites/cato.org/files/pubs/pdf/pa798_1_1.pdf), page 21. I though we were discussing that report, but it talks about terrorism-related murders, which you have apparently decided we are not talking about. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901.md?page=347) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901.md?page=349)