# Donald Trump's 2016 General Election Campaign **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [May 4, 2016, 2:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901 "2016-05-04T02:37:34Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 53
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2016, 12:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901/1041 "2016-06-07T12:57:01Z")
> [@Pearl\_Clutching\_Provocateur](#): > > If people thought Mexican referred to highly intelligent people from a society that functions extremely well with strong moral fortitude like I do, then there wouldn’t be a problem. It seems that you, Like Donald Trump, have some preconceived notions about a group of people based solely on their point of origin. Maybe instead of painting with such a broad brush, you should do your best to judge people based on their individual accomplishments and actions. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2016, 1:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901/1042 "2016-06-07T13:07:05Z")
I have a hard time really calling this particular Trumpism racist. He’s not saying Mexicans are inherently given to biases so much as admitting they have a good reason to be biased against him. Still bad form and all. ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2016, 1:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901/1043 "2016-06-07T13:15:55Z")
In any case by Trump’s standards, anyone from any demographic he has ever antagonized is ipso facto suspect of bias. That is utterly odious BUT in the world of this campaign, is something his followers eat up. It’s all about putting the other person on the defensive and they admire that. ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2016, 1:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901/1044 "2016-06-07T13:20:28Z")
> [@Pearl\_Clutching\_Provocateur](#): > > No, only to people who perceive the term Mexican as inferior would referring to someone as Mexican be considered racist. If Trump had referred to Curiel as Nordic or as a Mensa member, he wouldn’t be called racist. If people thought Mexican referred to highly intelligent people from a society that functions extremely well with strong moral fortitude like I do, then there wouldn’t be a problem. But when they think Mexican is a pejorative, they reveal their own dark racism impeded in their hearts. Dude, the entire republican establishment has given up on this one. You can stop. Honest. There’s nothing left. There’s no prize for being the last guy to defend an incredibly backwards and racist idea. Trump claimed that this judge was incapable of doing his job _because he’s a mexican_, and that his loyalty to other mexicans would make him want to screw Trump over in court because he’s mad about the wall. You seriously don’t see how insanely racist this is? Are you seriously going to pull that absurd move where the people who recognize racists are the only _real_ racists? Please, for everyone’s sake, just stop. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2016, 1:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901/1045 "2016-06-07T13:35:35Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > Oh please. Erick Erickson is an avowed Trump hater. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: Back at you, Leon H. Wolf is not Erickson and does he hate him because they are racist? > [@magellan01](#): > > But to be clear, two things: > > 1. I think Trump’s problem with Curiel is misguided. He seems like a fine judge and he, like all judges, deserve the default position of assuming them to be able to judge impartially. But I don’t think Trump’s concern is necessarily racist. I think it is fair to be suspicious of anyone who belongs to an organization entitled The Race, regardless of which race it is referring to. but I am glad he seems to be backing away from his position. A bit more from Wolf: > **[Trump Surrogate: Trump Isn't a Racist, He Just Lives in the Real World Where...](https://redstate.com/leon_h_wolf/2016/06/06/trump-surrogate-trump-isnt-racist-just-lives-real-world-mexicans-cant-fair-white-people-n59570)** > >   > [@](#): > > > [@](#): > > > > Paladino: Erick Erickson just likes to use the term “racist.” (Ed. note – LOL). Trump is not a racist, by far he is not a racist. This is incredible that you want to pull this word out and use it, because it always pushes back on the white guy. That’s not fair. And it’s not a fair description of Donald Trump. Donald Trump might have some anxiety about this particular judge because he lives in the same real world that I do, where this type of thing does go on, where ethnicity means something. > > Oh, got it. So Trump isn’t a racist, he just knows that he can’t get a fair hearing from this judge because he knows that race means something. Thanks for clearing that up. Sure, keep relying on your past sources like the racist VDARE, you are only attempting to keep using the “La Raza” term as defined by the one hating the groups that want more social justice rather than what the people in those organizations see it NOW. > [@magellan01](#): > > 1. See my response to DSeid regarding the name origins. Also, the more benign La Raza Lawyers of California was founded in 1977, after the completely racist National Council of La Raza was already established back in the 60s. A bit odd that an organization for lawyers would take—and keep till today—a name that is much better known for it’s overtly racist positions. Like it was said, it remains so by people that are like the ones that see a term like “titmouse” and despair. And you ignored that I do accept that there were Hispanic people that did attempt to make it a discriminatory term, they failed, and many Hispanics are taking it back or see it as having the more universal meaning (as in there is one human race as many do understand in Central America and other Hispanics nations why we have a “Dia de la Raza” instead of Columbus day and that has been so since I was a kid in the old country) It is more natural for Hispanics because besides mestizos a Hispanic can also be black or white and that really makes the attempts at shoehorning a racist meaning silly. (And yeah. I call also the ones in Aztlan that also try to use it divisively also silly) As silly as Malakin complaining still even after McCain and Obama both saw that the definition that the ones that fall for prejudice as out of fashion and so they both talked to groups with that name. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2016, 2:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901/1046 "2016-06-07T14:01:32Z")
Maybe this discussion is now more than a sidebar and deserves its own thread…? ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2016, 2:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901/1047 "2016-06-07T14:44:06Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > But to be clear, two things: > > 1. I think Trump’s problem with Curiel is misguided. He seems like a fine judge and he, like all judges, deserve the default position of assuming them to be able to judge impartially. But I don’t think Trump’s concern is necessarily racist. I think it is fair to be suspicious of anyone who belongs to an organization entitled The Race, regardless of which race it is referring to. Then you must think it is unfair to be suspicious of Judge Curiel, since he does not, as far as we know, belong to an organization “entitled The Race”. Right? > [@magellan01](#): > > but I am glad he seems to be backing away from his position. Where did you read or hear this? The whole point of the thread is that Trump isn’t backing down and he isn’t shutting up about this. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2016, 2:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901/1048 "2016-06-07T14:44:16Z")
> [@Pearl\_Clutching\_Provocateur](#): > > No, only to people who perceive the term Mexican as inferior would referring to someone as Mexican be considered racist. If Trump had referred to Curiel as Nordic or as a Mensa member, he wouldn’t be called racist. If people thought Mexican referred to highly intelligent people from a society that functions extremely well with strong moral fortitude like I do, then there wouldn’t be a problem. But when they think Mexican is a pejorative, they reveal their own dark racism impeded in their hearts. No, it’s not that he referred to Curiel as Mexican that is racist, it’s that he insisted that _because Curiel has Mexican descent,_ he must be inherently biased. It’s tying ethnic background, which individuals have no control over, to some negative characteristic, in this case the ability to be a judge without bias. Trump said that being Mexican means that someone can’t be unbiased, and that’s racist. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2016, 2:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901/1049 "2016-06-07T14:46:01Z")
[South Carolina Republican Senator Lindsey Graham endorses Hillary Clinton.](http://www.politico.com/story/2016/06/lindsey-graham-un-endorse-trump-223989?cmpid=sf) Well, maybe not a full-on mouth kiss, but he’s urging Republicans to un-endorse Trump, and said on Morning Joe that “there’ll come a time when the love of country will trump hatred of Hillary.” I do declare, I’d say that’s as close to a Hillary Clinton endorsement as you’ll ever see from Lindsey Graham. ---
**Author:** ![you\_with\_the\_face](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/ecccb3/32.png) [@you\_with\_the\_face](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/you_with_the_face)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2016, 2:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901/1050 "2016-06-07T14:47:01Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > I have a hard time really calling this particular Trumpism racist. He’s not saying Mexicans are inherently given to biases so much as admitting they have a good reason to be biased against him. Still bad form and all. Really? So does this sound racist to you? “I’m not going to hire African American police officers because they are biased against law enforcement. I’m not saying they are inherently given to biases so much as they have good reason to be biased against LE. Just saying.” The logic is so tortuous I can’t believe you typed that. That Trump said this about a judge who is presiding over a fraud case–not anything remotely having to do with immigration–says all I need to know about how he’d approach justice appointments. :shudder: ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2016, 3:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901/1051 "2016-06-07T15:25:34Z")
My logic was less tortuous than your analogy. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2016, 3:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901/1052 "2016-06-07T15:30:42Z")
> [@robby](#): > > Exactly. Listening to him being interviewed by John Dickerson yesterday morning on _Face the Nation_ was actually painful to watch. Transcript [here](http://www.cbsnews.com/news/face-the-nation-transcripts-june-5-2016-trump/). > > His answer to every question regarding his racist attitude with respect to that federal judge seemed to consist of blurting out, “I’m gonna build a wall!” I gotta say, my favorite part is when he gets caught in a lie about whether or not he supported intervening in Libya, and his response is to boast about how much money he made working with Gadhafi. ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2016, 3:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901/1053 "2016-06-07T15:38:59Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > What? Neither of those is like referring top an organization as The Race. The examples you give simple describe the makeup of the organization. “The Race” does something else entirely. > > Just imagine an organization with white membership referring to itself as “The Race”. Suer, they’re not as virulently racist as MEChA (who they have funded), and do some good work, but to claim they are not a racist organization takes way too much acrobatic effort. have you forgotten this already? > [@](#): > > As I’ve said many, many times, just because something is racial does not make it racist. And we should reserve the latter term for clear instances of ugly racism. ---
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2016, 3:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901/1054 "2016-06-07T15:51:43Z")
In an effort to table this discussion on whether La Raza is racist or double-reverse-racist or whatever, I’m willing to stipulate that in this instance, Trump is not being racist. He is, however, being reprehensible and an idiot. ---
**Author:** ![you\_with\_the\_face](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/ecccb3/32.png) [@you\_with\_the\_face](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/you_with_the_face)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2016, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901/1055 "2016-06-07T16:07:22Z")
The Trump thinks a judge’s ethnic background is relevant at all to his ability to do his job impartially is racist, yall. Stop trying to come up with another word for it. Even members of his own party–experts in dog whistle politics–have called that shit racist. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2016, 4:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901/1056 "2016-06-07T16:10:53Z")
If I thought coming up with another term for it would make any real difference, I’d be OK with it. Cisbiased? ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2016, 5:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901/1057 "2016-06-07T17:11:18Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > I gotta say, my favorite part is when he gets caught in a lie about whether or not he supported intervening in Libya, and his response is to boast about how much money he made working with Gadhafi. As I recall, he boasted that instead of simply refuse to deal with Gadhafi, he made a deal and the ripped Gadhafi off. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2016, 5:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901/1058 "2016-06-07T17:36:48Z")
> [@Steve\_MB](#): > > As I recall, he boasted that instead of simply refuse to deal with Gadhafi, he made a deal and the ripped Gadhafi off. As far as I can tell, Trump was trying to refer to [this incident;](http://abcnews.go.com/International/Trump-gaddafi-tent-UN-Bedford/story?id=8634294) > [@](#): > > Donald Trump may have inadvertently rented property in a ritzy New York suburb to loathed Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi, who has spent weeks trying to find a place to pitch his trademark tent while in town for the United Nations General Assembly meeting. > > Doors all over the metropolitan area have been slammed in the face of the Libyan dictator, but Trump says he rented part of a large property he owns in Westchester County to a group of Middle Easterners who may be associated with Gaddafi. > > “We have business partners and associates all over the world. The property was leased on a short-term basis to Middle Eastern partners who may or may not have a relationship to Mr. Gaddafi. We are looking into the matter now,” Trump Organization spokeswoman Rhonna Graff said in a statement. So he can’t even take credit for making a deal with Gadhafi - his attempt at puffery consists of bragging about how he accidentally took money from a murderous dictator. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2016, 5:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901/1059 "2016-06-07T17:55:35Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Theodore Roosevelt, more than any other political figure, gives me shivering fits of love/hate. Much to admire in his progressivism, but dear God! A man who believed that war was some sort of manly, virile sport? And believed it even after he saw its face? I don’t get it, I just don’t get it… And yet started no wars as President, and won the Nobel Peace Prize for mediating an end to the Russo-Japanese War. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2016, 5:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901/1060 "2016-06-07T17:58:26Z")
> [@Procrustus](#): > > have you forgotten this already? Did you overlook his response to me? > [@magellan01](#): > > … we can probably agree [that the term ‘racism’ should be applied only to the most blatant and egregious cases] See? _ **It’s the politically correct that overuse the term ‘racism.’** _ Unlike them, **magellan01** would only use the term when it’s obviously justified. Except … > [@magellan01](#): > > … I’ll do that as soon as other board members do. :eek: > [@magellan01](#): > > But even then, it would be safe to call the NCLR as a racist organization. :smack: 😃 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901.md?page=52) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901.md?page=54)