# Donald Trump's 2016 General Election Campaign **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [May 4, 2016, 2:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901 "2016-05-04T02:37:34Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 66
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2016, 3:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901/1301 "2016-06-14T15:45:40Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > What I think you two are failing to understand is that Trump has never had any real intention of challenging the judge or attempting to get him recused. I’ve said many times here on the board that Trump is rarely attempting to accomplish what he appears to be trying to do on the surface. IMO, what Trump is really doing is attempting to negate the damage that may have been caused by the release of some of the accusations in the lawsuit. He’s trying to make it appear to his base and to those who may be undecided that incriminating evidence against him has been released to the public by a biased judge who has it in for him, while at the same time exculpatory information has been repressed. This serves to negate as much as possible the damaging information about his university which the lawsuit alleges, while at the same time making him look like the victim once again of bias, bias that he also points out frequently when it comes from the news media. So basically he’s saying “Don’t believe all this stuff about my university because you’re getting slanted and incomplete information that is deliberately designed to make me look bad.” See post #1284. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2016, 3:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901/1302 "2016-06-14T15:49:10Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > FYI, they lifted the order to recuse herself > [U.S. Government Settles Lawsuit Filed By Iranian-American Judge : The Two-Way : NPR](http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2015/11/03/454394225/government-settles-lawsuit-filed-by-iranian-american-judge) It also wasn’t about ethnicity, but rather a meeting at the WH the judge attended. ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2016, 3:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901/1303 "2016-06-14T15:55:27Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > What I think you two are failing to understand is that Trump has never had any real intention of challenging the judge or attempting to get him recused. I’ve said many times here on the board that Trump is rarely attempting to accomplish what he appears to be trying to do on the surface. IMO, what Trump is really doing is attempting to negate the damage that may have been caused by the release of some of the accusations in the lawsuit. He’s trying to make it appear to his base and to those who may be undecided that incriminating evidence against him has been released to the public by a biased judge who has it in for him, while at the same time exculpatory information has been repressed. This serves to negate as much as possible the damaging information about his university which the lawsuit alleges, while at the same time making him look like the victim once again of bias, bias that he also points out frequently when it comes from the news media. So basically he’s saying “Don’t believe all this stuff about my university because you’re getting slanted and incomplete information that is deliberately designed to make me look bad.” Actually, I think everyone on this message board understands that this is exactly what he trying to do, and that this is what he is attempting to accomplish is obvious on the surface. However, unlike you, they realize that this is all a pack of lies that he is peddling, there is no reason be believe that Trump is in fact being treated unfairly, and that the way he is discrediting the judge is through a blatant appeal to racism. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2016, 4:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901/1304 "2016-06-14T16:01:40Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > It also wasn’t about ethnicity, but rather a meeting at the WH the judge attended. You think if she was of Polish descent and attended an Iranian-Americans meeting she would have been given the same order? Let’s be real. ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2016, 4:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901/1305 "2016-06-14T16:02:13Z")
> [@bobot](#): > > It would be like referring to Trump as a German- nobody fucking does that. But if it comforts disengenuous conservatives, I’ll pretend I don’t hear the whistle. (Not really, but I’ll pretend to pretend, you know, to shelter their feelings.) Ah yes, the crafty subtlety of the [Trump dog whistle](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zoBm29LVQBg). ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2016, 4:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901/1306 "2016-06-14T16:03:45Z")
> [@Buck\_Godot](#): > > Actually, I think everyone on this message board understands that this is exactly what he trying to do, and that this is what he is attempting to accomplish is obvious on the surface. However, unlike you, they realize that this is all a pack of lies that he is peddling, there is no reason be believe that Trump is in fact being treated unfairly, and that the way he is discrediting the judge is through a blatant appeal to racism. If Trump weren’t such a stupid ass, I’d almost believe he’s running for president as simply a means to politicize his Trump University lawsuit and get a new judge. I bet he cares more about winning that lawsuit than winning the Presidency. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2016, 4:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901/1307 "2016-06-14T16:06:36Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > You think if she was of Polish descent and attended an Iranian-Americans meeting she would have been given the same order? Let’s be real. They said she would only have to recuse herself if she went to the meeting, and she had been judging without any recusal order for several years before. So I don’t know, but maybe – the order itself (or how it was described) didn’t seem to say anything about ethnicity. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2016, 4:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901/1308 "2016-06-14T16:12:03Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > They said she would only have to recuse herself if she went to the meeting, and she had been judging without any recusal order for several years before. So I don’t know, but maybe – the order itself (or how it was described) didn’t seem to say anything about ethnicity. If they had some general order to all their judges to not attend any ethnocentric events (they might for all I know), I could buy that. Otherwise it quacks like a duck. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2016, 4:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901/1309 "2016-06-14T16:21:14Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > If they had some general order to all their judges to not attend any ethnocentric events (they might for all I know), I could buy that. Otherwise it quacks like a duck. But they told her that if she didn’t go to the meeting, she wouldn’t have to recuse herself. That seems to be associating the meeting with the recusal, not her ethnicity. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2016, 4:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901/1310 "2016-06-14T16:27:10Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > But they told her that if she didn’t go to the meeting, she wouldn’t have to recuse herself. That seems to be associating the meeting with the recusal, not her ethnicity. Right, but the way I read that is that they won’t recuse if you just be American, the instant you publicly associate with other Iranian-Americans you’ll look biased. You honestly believe if she had gone to a Jewish, Polish, or Italian-American meeting she would have been ordered to recuse herself from cases involving those ethnicities? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2016, 4:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901/1311 "2016-06-14T16:28:58Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > Right, but the way I read that is that they won’t recuse if you just be American, the instant you publicly associate with other Iranian-Americans you’ll look biased. You honestly believe if she had gone to a Jewish, Polish, or Italian-American meeting she would have been ordered to recuse herself from cases involving those ethnicities? I don’t know. But you’re reading into it – I’m just trying not too. You might be right, but if so, they deliberately framed it in a way to make it look like it was about the meeting, not her ethnicity. Either way, I’m glad the ultimate ruling was in the judge’s favor. And Trump is still an idiot and said racist things about Judge Curiel. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2016, 4:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901/1312 "2016-06-14T16:39:08Z")
> [@YamatoTwinkie](#): > > _Even taking the alleged “bias” at face value_, the judge has been on this particular case since **before** the “build a wall and have Mexico pay for it!” comment. If all it took to seek judge recusal due to bias was to make some racist comments about the judge’s ethnicity _after the case isn’t going in your favor_, it would be the definition of judge-shopping, which is not permitted. This supports the theory I have that Trump is not only getting endorsements from people like Joe Arpaio but also that Trump is following their reprehensible behavior/advice. Sheriff’s Joe tactic against the judge that is looking at his contempt of court regarding racial profiling has been that since the wife of the judge was investigated by Arpaio that the judge then has to recuse himself as there is a conflict of interest… His complaint has gone nowhere because this abuse of power from the sheriff took place **after** the judge was appointed to his case. Yes, the most cynical explanation is that the sheriff attempted to **create** the conflict of interest himself and that is bound to go to the courts separately from all his contempt of court case, with him accused of that new abuse of power. Costing the state even more money. As I said before, since Trump never repudiated sheriff Joe while that was/is going on then the old adage of “Show Me Your Friends, I’ll Tell You Who You Are” is more valid than ever. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2016, 4:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901/1313 "2016-06-14T16:43:34Z")
Not about expecting judges and such like to be inhuman paragons of perfect impartiality. Myself, I’m a bit prejudiced against Latvians. Smelly, clannish and morbidly depressed. Estonians, Lithuanians, not great, but not Latvian, which they will be quick to tell you. Were I a judge, I would not expect to expunge all such bias. I would expect to put a little extra thought into it, to say to myself, “Wait a tick, am I moving too easily to a conclusion because this guy’s name sounds Latvian? Perhaps I should review my thoughts on this, make sure everything adds up, or maybe consult a colleague who’s wisdom and probity I trust, get some feedback.” That will do nicely, far as I am concerned. Let me stress that even though I am beady-eyed, shifty, and have distinctly vulpine features, I am _not_ Latvian. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2016, 5:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901/1314 "2016-06-14T17:24:20Z")
:: covers phone :: The Fraternal Order of Latvians is holding on Line 1 for you, **elucidator**. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Ace](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/6bbea6/32.png) [@Johnny\_Ace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Ace)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2016, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901/1315 "2016-06-14T17:51:12Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > So basically he’s saying “Don’t believe all this stuff about my university because you’re getting slanted and incomplete information that is deliberately designed to make me look bad.” Tough to buy that when the information released was the unedited ‘educational’ materials used in his so-called university. ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2016, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901/1316 "2016-06-14T17:56:09Z")
I love arguments like “It’s okay to say hateful, racist things, so long as you intend to profit by it.” ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2016, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901/1317 "2016-06-14T18:35:42Z")
> [@Procrustus](#): > > If Trump weren’t such a stupid ass, I’d almost believe he’s running for president as simply a means to politicize his Trump University lawsuit and get a new judge. I bet he cares more about winning that lawsuit than winning the Presidency. Like **S. Artist** sez, Trump is playing us all like a harp. He’s just having a lot of trouble plucking the strings, because… you know. ---
**Author:** ![Frodo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/frodo/32/302_2.png) [@Frodo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frodo)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2016, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901/1318 "2016-06-14T18:44:24Z")
> [@VinylTurnip](#): > > Like **S. Artist** sez, Trump is playing us all like a harp. He’s just having a lot of trouble plucking the strings, because… you know. His short [del]peni[/del] fingers? ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2016, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901/1319 "2016-06-14T19:10:48Z")
In the [About Fucking Time department,](http://new.www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/obama-radical-islam_us_57603cdbe4b0e4fe5143dc4c) Obama says he’s had enough of Republicans obsessing over the term “radical Islam”. > [@](#): > > “What exactly would using this label accomplish? What exactly would it change? Would it make ISIL less committed to try to kill Americans? Would it bring in more allies? Is there a military strategy that is served by this?” Obama asked rhetorically, using another name for the Islamic State. > > “The answer is none of the above. Calling a threat by a different name does not make it go away.” ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2016, 7:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901/1320 "2016-06-14T19:46:58Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > :: covers phone :: > > The **Fraternal Order of Latvians** is holding on Line 1 for you, **elucidator**. (bolding mine) F.O.o.L.? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901.md?page=65) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901.md?page=67)