# Donald's secret tax returns, and Hillary's secret Wall St. speeches **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [June 23, 2016, 3:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donalds-secret-tax-returns-and-hillarys-secret-wall-st-speeches/758153 "2016-06-23T15:31:46Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 11\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Ace](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/6bbea6/32.png) [@Johnny\_Ace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Ace)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2016, 3:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donalds-secret-tax-returns-and-hillarys-secret-wall-st-speeches/758153/81 "2016-07-04T03:35:16Z")
LOL you gotta love Borowitz. I just wish it was longer. 🙂 So I guess Hillary’s part of the vast left-wing conspiracy to take down the Republican Party…in 1865. ---
**Author:** ![Pearl\_Clutching\_Provocateur](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/c68b51/32.png) [@Pearl\_Clutching\_Provocateur](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pearl_Clutching_Provocateur)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2016, 10:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donalds-secret-tax-returns-and-hillarys-secret-wall-st-speeches/758153/82 "2016-07-04T22:18:26Z")
> [@wolfpup](#): > > And Breitbart as a cite, too! It’s all so… consistent! 😃 > > Also, Hillary killed Lincoln! … > [http://www.newyorker.com/.../fox-new-evidence-hillary-killed-lincoln?intcid=mod-most-popular](http://www.newyorker.com/.../fox-new-evidence-hillary-killed-lincoln?intcid=mod-most-popular) Would you like to point out what’s false? It’s been reported by multiple sources that Hillary Clinton’s son-in-law Marc Mezvinsky owns a hedge fund that bet on Greek bonds and was an abject failure like his monster-in-law. See unlike Trump who creates tangible wealth like hotels and casinos, Marc Mezvinsky and George Soros get wealthy by shuffling paper around. I don’t begrudge anyone getting wealthy. I just don’t like people who rig the system and produce nothing. ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2016, 10:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donalds-secret-tax-returns-and-hillarys-secret-wall-st-speeches/758153/83 "2016-07-04T22:49:50Z")
> [@Pearl\_Clutching\_Provocateur](#): > > See unlike Trump who creates tangible wealth like hotels and casinos, Marc Mezvinsky and George Soros get wealthy by shuffling paper around. I don’t begrudge anyone getting wealthy. I just don’t like people who rig the system and produce nothing. Trump does not “create tangible wealth.” He gets people to invest in building things that generally fail, sucks out the profits for himself, then walks away leaving the investors holding the bag for his debts. To claim that Trump creates tangible wealth while Soros does not is to engage in the sort of ignorance of economics that only a tea-bagger could. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2016, 3:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donalds-secret-tax-returns-and-hillarys-secret-wall-st-speeches/758153/84 "2016-07-05T03:12:15Z")
> [@Pearl\_Clutching\_Provocateur](#): > > Would you like to point out what’s false? It’s been reported by multiple sources that Hillary Clinton’s son-in-law Marc Mezvinsky owns a hedge fund that bet on Greek bonds and was an abject failure like his monster-in-law. Two things false- that she shared classified information about how the Germans viewed Greece with her son-in-law. Not verified by any reputable source. Next: It dropped 3.6% last year. It’s done very well this year. 6.24% in Jan, which is nice. Hardly a “abject failure”. If he had insider info, then why did his fund misjudge the market? You can have it one way or the other. Either he had insider info or he’s a bad investor. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2016, 9:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donalds-secret-tax-returns-and-hillarys-secret-wall-st-speeches/758153/85 "2016-07-05T09:53:33Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > If he had insider info, then why did his fund misjudge the market? You can have it one way or the other. Either he had insider info or he’s a bad investor. Why not both? He had insider information but is so terrible at his job that he still lost money. It’s like how Obama is simultaneously an imperial tyrant unilaterally imposing diktats on the helpless populace and also a weak and ineffectual leader who can’t get any of his agenda implemented. Clearly Obama is so bad at being a tyrant that even with all his power he can’t get anything done. Cognitive dissonance, baby! It’s the only way to live. ---
**Author:** ![Pearl\_Clutching\_Provocateur](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/c68b51/32.png) [@Pearl\_Clutching\_Provocateur](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pearl_Clutching_Provocateur)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2016, 1:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donalds-secret-tax-returns-and-hillarys-secret-wall-st-speeches/758153/86 "2016-07-05T13:28:38Z")
> [@tomndebb](#): > > To claim that Trump creates tangible wealth while Soros does not is to engage in the sort of ignorance of economics that only a tea-bagger could. Interesting choice of words. Cite? What does Soros do that betters the populace at large? I see plenty of structures that Trump has built. I like capitalism that creates a win-win situation. Soros and Hillary Clinton’s Son-in-law become wealthy when someone else suffers. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2016, 2:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donalds-secret-tax-returns-and-hillarys-secret-wall-st-speeches/758153/87 "2016-07-05T14:19:07Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > Yep. It’s a non-issue, and thank _you_ Bernie for helping Trumps election. :mad: If its such a non-issue, then why not just release them? Or would all those transcripts of her sucking up to wall street be embarrassing? ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2016, 2:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donalds-secret-tax-returns-and-hillarys-secret-wall-st-speeches/758153/88 "2016-07-05T14:22:20Z")
> [@Pearl\_Clutching\_Provocateur](#): > > What do you imagine Lloyd Blankfein CEO of Gold Man Sacks gave Chelsea Clinton whose husband is business partners with Blankfein for her baby shower? Bundles of unmarked 100 dollar bills? Did he run into Hillary at the baby shower? Is there an equivalent to a Godfather in the Jewish religion and will CEO Lloyd Blankfein of Gold Man Sacks serve in that capacity so that he will conveniently run into Hillary? Speaking of man sacks, how many Wall Street leaders be at the bris? You know its spelled Goldman Sachs, right? The relationship between wall street and Hillary is not quite as hand in hand as you think. Hillary sucks up to wall street to get money and wall street gives her money to gain access and influence. Its not really any different than the relationship that most politicians have with wealthy people. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Ace](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/6bbea6/32.png) [@Johnny\_Ace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Ace)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2016, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donalds-secret-tax-returns-and-hillarys-secret-wall-st-speeches/758153/89 "2016-07-05T17:30:19Z")
> [@Pearl\_Clutching\_Provocateur](#): > > What does Soros do that betters the populace at large? I see plenty of structures that Trump has built. I like capitalism that creates a win-win situation. > > Soros and Hillary Clinton’s Son-in-law become wealthy when someone else suffers. The hypocrisy or willful ignorance in those statements is just stunning. Ask the investors bilked in Trump’s Ocean Resort in Baja, the people bilked by Trump U, the employees on strike against him right now, or the small arena-sized number of business and construction associates with pending lawsuits against Trump about becoming wealthy when someone else suffers. Win-win my ass. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2016, 7:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donalds-secret-tax-returns-and-hillarys-secret-wall-st-speeches/758153/90 "2016-07-05T19:26:51Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > If its such a non-issue, then why not just release them? > > Or would all those transcripts of her sucking up to wall street be embarrassing? They likely signed an agreement. Besides what good would it do? They’d just want the REAL Birth… err Transcripts. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2016, 9:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donalds-secret-tax-returns-and-hillarys-secret-wall-st-speeches/758153/91 "2016-07-06T09:47:16Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > If its such a non-issue, then why not just release them? > > Or would all those transcripts of her sucking up to wall street be embarrassing? Because (unlike tax returns) her speeches are a product she sells, which you’re asking her to give away for free. I doubt there’s anything particularly surprising or unique in them, but the people who pay for her speeches do so in order to hear her words spoken by her, because for whatever reason they think it’s worth it. Personally I suspect the allure lies in being part of the exclusive population able to afford and obtain tickets to such an event. Publish the speeches, and the value is lost. And all for no real purpose. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donalds-secret-tax-returns-and-hillarys-secret-wall-st-speeches/758153.md?page=4)