# Don't be such a Jerk, Ukulele Ike **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 5, 2003, 3:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dont-be-such-a-jerk-ukulele-ike/146714 "2003-01-05T03:30:45Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 13
**Author:** ![Diane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/2acd7d/32.png) [@Diane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diane)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2003, 3:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dont-be-such-a-jerk-ukulele-ike/146714/241 "2003-01-06T15:41:48Z")
KellyM - I guess then that I will have to request a cite from you showing that a female can produce sperm. Not a biological male who chooses to live as a female, but “living woman sperm” that can impregnate. The more things I read from the two of you, the more I am convinced you are purposefully trying to be outrageous. Your shtick is getting boring. ---
**Author:** ![Green\_Bean](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/green_bean/32/1760_2.png) [@Green\_Bean](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Green_Bean)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2003, 3:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dont-be-such-a-jerk-ukulele-ike/146714/242 "2003-01-06T15:52:24Z")
**wring** –I read the quotes that you provided, and I guess I just read them differently than you. I agree with **kambuckta** here: > [@](#): > > No. From my reading, there was no suggestion from the posters that a lack of Disney would/could screw any kid up. > Rather, that ‘missplaced’ idealism could be indicative of other neuroses that MIGHT have some impact upon the kid later on. Some of the posters were more unequivocal than that, but to my reading, the meaning was the same. Shall we agree to disagree? ---
**Author:** ![Glory](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/7cd45c/32.png) [@Glory](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Glory)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2003, 4:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dont-be-such-a-jerk-ukulele-ike/146714/243 "2003-01-06T16:08:49Z")
> [@](#): > > KellyM - I guess then that I will have to request a cite from you showing that a female can produce sperm. Not a biological male who chooses to live as a female, but “living woman sperm” that can impregnate. This isn’t that difficult to understand. KellyM is transgendered, although currently a quirk of genetics has given her the equipment of a man, she is a woman and to refer to her as male is rude. Although I admit to having some problems wrapping my mind around this concept myself, I look at it like this. Currently I am female, I identify as female. If I woke up tomorrow in the body of a man, would I still consider myself female? The answer is yes, just having male equipment wouldn’t make me male. ---
**Author:** ![hardygrrl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a3d4f5/32.png) [@hardygrrl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hardygrrl)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2003, 4:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dont-be-such-a-jerk-ukulele-ike/146714/244 "2003-01-06T16:12:48Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Diane \* > \*\*KellyM - I guess then that I will have to request a cite from you showing that a female can produce sperm. Not a biological male who chooses to live as a female, but “living woman sperm” that can impregnate. > > The more things I read from the two of you, the more I am convinced you are purposefully trying to be outrageous. Your shtick is getting boring. \*\* The true question is “Does ‘Female’ sperm inhibit the ability to debate intelligently?” And **KellyM** , your chromosomes don’t lie. ---
**Author:** ![Green\_Bean](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/green_bean/32/1760_2.png) [@Green\_Bean](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Green_Bean)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2003, 4:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dont-be-such-a-jerk-ukulele-ike/146714/245 "2003-01-06T16:19:36Z")
Holy flurking schmidt! Are you trying to turn this into a debate on transsexual-ism?? :eek: ---
**Author:** ![TwistofFate](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/cdc98d/32.png) [@TwistofFate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TwistofFate)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2003, 4:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dont-be-such-a-jerk-ukulele-ike/146714/246 "2003-01-06T16:21:55Z")
> [@](#): > > KellyM is transgendered, although currently a quirk of genetics has given her the equipment of a man, she is a woman and to refer to her as male is rude. Socially, KellyM is female, as that is how she has choosen to live her life. Biologically, she is male. no operation can change her genetics. Diane is perfectly correct to refer to her as male for the purposes of this discussion. ---
**Author:** ![tiny\_ham](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a183cd/32.png) [@tiny\_ham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tiny_ham)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2003, 4:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dont-be-such-a-jerk-ukulele-ike/146714/247 "2003-01-06T16:22:19Z")
Glory, I think the point is, lee and KellyM are trying to convince us that because KellyM believes she’s a woman that her sperm is “woman sperm”. It is not. It is man sperm. ---
**Author:** ![Diane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/2acd7d/32.png) [@Diane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diane)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2003, 4:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dont-be-such-a-jerk-ukulele-ike/146714/248 "2003-01-06T16:31:59Z")
> [@](#): > > KellyM is transgendered Ummmm yeah, I realize that. Thanks. Pre-op, post-op, TG, TV, or any other T is irrelevant in the claim to the existence of “living woman sperm”. KellyM maybe female in every other sense, but her sperm is still the sperm of a genetic male. ---
**Author:** ![wring](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/838e76/32.png) [@wring](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wring)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2003, 4:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dont-be-such-a-jerk-ukulele-ike/146714/249 "2003-01-06T16:40:52Z")
**Green** fine by me. I felt the tone was snarky. (especially, towards the end here, **Kambuckta** ) OTOH, at this point, I really, really want to back away from the whole thing. in the abstract, I feel that a parent has the right to make choices like “I won’t allow Disney stuff in my home”, w/o having to justify why, and/or have folks attempt to claim that it’ll cause heartbreak or whatever for the child. In the alternate universe that this thread has become, I’m carefully backing out in my own footsteps, as if I was never here. ---
**Author:** ![Mighty\_Girl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7bcc69/32.png) [@Mighty\_Girl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mighty_Girl)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2003, 4:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dont-be-such-a-jerk-ukulele-ike/146714/250 "2003-01-06T16:42:17Z")
Open my skull and tickle my brain! “Woman sperm”! This is getting too bizarre, even by Disney standards. ---
**Author:** ![tiny\_ham](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a183cd/32.png) [@tiny\_ham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tiny_ham)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2003, 4:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dont-be-such-a-jerk-ukulele-ike/146714/251 "2003-01-06T16:46:10Z")
:: writing WRING WAS HERE on the wall :: ---
**Author:** ![ultress](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/7c8e57/32.png) [@ultress](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ultress)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2003, 4:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dont-be-such-a-jerk-ukulele-ike/146714/252 "2003-01-06T16:50:19Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by lee \* > \*\*Here’s a clue, because you so badly need one. Kelly and I got into bed together naked, like we do nearly every day. We made love. During the course of of which some of her ejaculate, apparently filled with lots of wonderful living woman sperm entered into my vagina. The swimmers therein swam their way up into my cervix and, because I was ovulating, united with my ova and formed Loren. Grand cost: about a buck to clean the sheets afterward. Oh, and about nine dollars for the pregnancy test nearly 6 weeks later. We, me, KellyM, and my husband were shocked and pleasantly surprised by the results. We had thought her to be at best infertile by now. I don’t think my husband has ever been more surprised or happy. He had been trying to get me to try to get pregnant by whatever means for the last 13 years or so. Mind you, he and I do the gymnastics required frequently, but there are no swimmers to do the required work. > > This has been explained in other threads just in less detail. How the hell could we be surprised if your little scenario were true? By the way the preferred term is transsexual. Transgendered is a blanket term that includes many things Kelly is not. > > Buying a baby indeed! Jump to unwarranted conclusions much? \*\* This has truly got to be the most incredulous statement I have ever read on this board or any other in all the years that I’ve been here. You child has a lot more to worry about than Disney. ---
**Author:** ![wring](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/838e76/32.png) [@wring](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wring)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2003, 4:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dont-be-such-a-jerk-ukulele-ike/146714/253 "2003-01-06T16:59:40Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by jarbabyj \* > \*\*:: writing WRING WAS HERE on the wall :: \*\* ptbtbtbtbtbtbtbtb carefully changing the letters to read " Jar wrong was her" (yea, that’ll work…) ---
**Author:** ![Dinsdale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/97f17d/32.png) [@Dinsdale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dinsdale)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2003, 5:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dont-be-such-a-jerk-ukulele-ike/146714/254 "2003-01-06T17:32:42Z")
Man, I can’t get this inanity out of my mind. I gotta ask, in your minds, does **KellyM** have a wonderful woman penis outta which she ejaculates that woman sperm? That birds and the bees discussion is definitely gonna be a keeper. Disclaimer - tho folk reading this may feel otherwise, I do not consider myself nearly as judgmental of unconventional lifestyles, as I am of stupidity. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2003, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dont-be-such-a-jerk-ukulele-ike/146714/255 "2003-01-06T17:34:16Z")
Is it me or does this thread read like a bad episode of “Friends”? ---
**Author:** ![stofsky](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/dfb087/32.png) [@stofsky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/stofsky)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2003, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dont-be-such-a-jerk-ukulele-ike/146714/256 "2003-01-06T17:39:09Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Mr. Cynical \* > **wonderful living woman sperm** So, I’m like forming a band–3-piece blues–and I’m wondering whether “The Wonderful Living Woman Sperm” or just “Woman Sperm” would be a better name for it. I’m going to hell for that, aren’t I? ---
**Author:** ![Diane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/2acd7d/32.png) [@Diane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diane)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2003, 5:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dont-be-such-a-jerk-ukulele-ike/146714/257 "2003-01-06T17:47:54Z")
> [@](#): > > I’m going to hell for that, aren’t I? Yes, yes you are. ---
**Author:** ![lee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lee/32/7455_2.png) [@lee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lee)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2003, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dont-be-such-a-jerk-ukulele-ike/146714/258 "2003-01-06T17:49:41Z")
Kelly is a woman. Yes, she is transsexual. She looks and lives as a woman and loves as a woman. It has been established before this on the boards that she was born for all outward appearance XY. Kelly is a woman. If she has sperm, why not call it woman sperm? That started as a joke in reference to a Kids in the Hall sketch that I found amusing.It is a twist of phrase like that from Joanna Russ’s _The female Man_. I am not implying that it is in an way quantatively different than any other sperm, except it came from her. One of the reasons I opened this thread is that I expected to be flamed for overreacting to [ibUkulele Ike’s\*\* twitting me about my choice, as well as the choice I made. I wanted to flame him and the others who seem to think that my resolve will melt or that I have no business making such a descision about what is allowed in my home. Fair is fair. I was pissed off and I thought sounding off or even reacting in a thread that had its own topic was innappropriate. I knew that others would react to the Disney ban, and to me taking **Ukulele Ike** to task for twitting me. Fine, I have responded, sometimes snipily, but I have tried not to be a Jerk, but I did not think my words were out of line for the Pit. I did not expect for such nasty torrents of hate and ingnorance about our sexuality to pour forth as they have in the last few pages. I am stunned by the hateful ignorance. We did not drag our sexuality into this thread. None of the facts regarding it or the conception of our child is new to the boards, and were only mentioned and clarified because others had drawn them into this thread. I am truly saddened and shocked by the reaction. I thought we had been welcomed and accepted, and even congratulated. We haven’t changed. ---
**Author:** ![tiny\_ham](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a183cd/32.png) [@tiny\_ham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tiny_ham)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2003, 5:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dont-be-such-a-jerk-ukulele-ike/146714/259 "2003-01-06T17:54:07Z")
:rolleyes: I haven’t seen ONE PERSON express a ‘torrent of hate’ regarding your sexuality. But when you and KellyM start vehemently insisting that women create women sperm, we simply need an explanation. Had you originally said “it’s just a little joke we have from Kids in the Hall” I’m sure it would have ended. Instead we were told by Kelly that it’s some bizarre, complex function of nature…which it is not. ---
**Author:** ![RedFury](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ec9cab/32.png) [@RedFury](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RedFury)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2003, 6:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dont-be-such-a-jerk-ukulele-ike/146714/260 "2003-01-06T18:07:13Z")
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