# Don't be such a Jerk, Ukulele Ike **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 5, 2003, 3:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dont-be-such-a-jerk-ukulele-ike/146714 "2003-01-05T03:30:45Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 15
**Author:** ![RedFury](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ec9cab/32.png) [@RedFury](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RedFury)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2003, 7:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dont-be-such-a-jerk-ukulele-ike/146714/281 "2003-01-06T19:34:20Z")
**Spiritus Mundi** Fair enough. Strictly speaking, yes, you’re correct, the conversation has wondered off into different territory --although, as has already been mentioned, the sexual issue was introduced by the OPer herself. By the same token, it is extremely dificult not to compare and contrast the OPers’ near-fanatical hatred of all things Disney (Disney!) with her own chosen lifestyle and the impact each one will have on her offspring. It’s like night and day…unless someone can make a case convincing me otherwise. ---
**Author:** ![Mighty\_Girl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7bcc69/32.png) [@Mighty\_Girl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mighty_Girl)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2003, 7:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dont-be-such-a-jerk-ukulele-ike/146714/282 "2003-01-06T19:34:56Z")
Sorry, that was in response to grendel72. Me ain’t not getting smarter. ---
**Author:** ![grendel72](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/91b2a8/32.png) [@grendel72](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/grendel72)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2003, 7:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dont-be-such-a-jerk-ukulele-ike/146714/283 "2003-01-06T19:39:43Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by RedFury \* > **[although, as has already been mentioned, the sexual issue was introduced by the OPer herself.** Bull fucking shit! You can go back and read the motherfucking thread as easily as I can, and you will see that it was **not** brought up by the OP. ---
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2003, 7:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dont-be-such-a-jerk-ukulele-ike/146714/284 "2003-01-06T19:40:18Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by grendel72 \* > \*\*You hate mongering pig fuckers make me sick. > You claim that there hasn’t been any hateful comments directed at **Kelly** & **lee** … are you fucking illiterate? Read some of the shit posted by **reprise** that he is now trying to claim he isn’t responsible for. > > You people make me sick, and I am ashamed to be a doper after reading this disgusting thread. \*\* Must be a pretty big cross. Everybody is hopping on. I was ticked at the intimations **lee** made about people who use daycare when they don’t HAVE to, so maybe I’ll climb up on there with all of you. ---
**Author:** ![tiny\_ham](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a183cd/32.png) [@tiny\_ham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tiny_ham)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2003, 7:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dont-be-such-a-jerk-ukulele-ike/146714/285 "2003-01-06T19:48:27Z")
Spiritus, I don’t care if the conversation is in the framework of two members of the bisexual Armenian undead…claiming that a woman can create sperm, and then REFUSING TO ELABORATE on what you mean by that beyond ‘it’s complex’ is inviting several people to slap on the ‘nutball’ label. Let me provide a small playlet of how this thread could have ended happily. lee: I was impregnated by Kelly’s woman sperm. everyone: woah. lee: what? everyone: um…women can’t make sperm (this is the crucial part) lee: well, Kelly lives as a woman and is in the process of becoming a physical woman, so while it is technically semen (which only a male animal can produce), we refer to it as woman sperm, as to be sensitive to her emotional and psychological needs. the wrong answer was KellyM telling us we were ignorant. ---
**Author:** ![Misery\_Loves\_Co](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7cd45c/32.png) [@Misery\_Loves\_Co](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Misery_Loves_Co)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2003, 7:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dont-be-such-a-jerk-ukulele-ike/146714/286 "2003-01-06T19:50:10Z")
Sure, **RedFury** , but who the hell cares. It’s not any of our business to tell either Kelly or lee how to raise the kid, regardless of whatever contradictions we may or might not see. Furthermore, **grendel72** is right - lee’s sexual description of the conception of her kid was in pretty much direct response to an assertion by another poster that she’d dumped lots of money to get impregnated by Kelly though some in-vitro method (as an argument, somehow, against the validity of her counter-Disney stance). That post, in turn, was the (thread) child of the original post which assumend a dichotomy between lee’s hatred of Disney, and the manner in which she lives/concieved. (NB: I’m defending grendel72’s veracity, not his tone/sentiment) She was refuting the assertion of another poster and did _not_, in fact, introduce her sexuality into the thread. Regardless - something in the air today seems to have people oscillating between grabbing their torches and pitchforks, and nailing themselves up. ---
**Author:** ![grendel72](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/91b2a8/32.png) [@grendel72](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/grendel72)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2003, 7:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dont-be-such-a-jerk-ukulele-ike/146714/287 "2003-01-06T19:50:35Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Hamlet \* > \*\*Must be a pretty big cross. Everybody is hopping on. I was ticked at the intimations **lee** made about people who use daycare when they don’t HAVE to, so maybe I’ll climb up on there with all of you. \*\* What, your **intentional misreading** of **lee** s comments brought on by your lynch mob hysteria is OK, but I’m not allowed to be pissed off by the fucking vile comments made by **stofski** (who is the one who brought up the issue of sexuality, by the way, for all of you lying pig fuckers claiming the OP did) and **reprise** and **Diane** and … ---
**Author:** ![tiny\_ham](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a183cd/32.png) [@tiny\_ham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tiny_ham)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2003, 7:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dont-be-such-a-jerk-ukulele-ike/146714/288 "2003-01-06T19:52:21Z")
shocking how about seven people in this thread somehow ‘intentionally misread’ lee’s comment in exactly the same way. And when we asked for clarification were called jerks. ---
**Author:** ![grendel72](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/91b2a8/32.png) [@grendel72](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/grendel72)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2003, 7:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dont-be-such-a-jerk-ukulele-ike/146714/289 "2003-01-06T19:55:36Z")
Maybe because you were _being_ jerks? If you quote something out of context deleting an important part of the original statement in an attempt to manufacture outrage, I’d say that is being a jerk. ---
**Author:** ![stofsky](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/dfb087/32.png) [@stofsky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/stofsky)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2003, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dont-be-such-a-jerk-ukulele-ike/146714/290 "2003-01-06T20:03:11Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by grendel72 \* > \*\*What, your **intentional misreading** of **lee** s comments brought on by your lynch mob hysteria is OK, but I’m not allowed to be pissed off by the fucking vile comments made by **stofski** (who is the one who brought up the issue of sexuality, by the way, for all of you lying pig fuckers claiming the OP did) and **reprise** and **Diane** and … \*\* Ummmm, first of all, that’s spelled with a **y**. Second, **lee** , **KellyM** , et. al. posted a thread months ago with their…well, we can’t say bizarre because that wouldn’t be PC…family arrangement several months ago. I didn’t comment in that thread because, well, I didn’t have a dog in that fight. I also didn’t comment in their home-schooling fiasco because I couldn’t quite put my thoughts into SDMB-worthy form. This time, however, the irony of someone banning Disney in part because of its lack of respect for the nuclear family when in the unconventional family they live in seemed to call for comment. Sorry if you think my vile comments put me in a lynch mob mentality, but I didn’t bring up anything that the _menage_ themselves haven’t brought up previously, and I merely tied their earlier statements into their current ones, saw them to be ironic and hypocritical, and attempted to say such in a mildly humorous way. I guess I’ll never get my membership card for the SDMB Offenderati now. And I still think “Woman Sperm” would be a good band name. ---
**Author:** ![Max\_Torque](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e9bcb4/32.png) [@Max\_Torque](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Max_Torque)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2003, 8:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dont-be-such-a-jerk-ukulele-ike/146714/291 "2003-01-06T20:04:48Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by MLC \* > **Sure, RedFury, but who the hell cares. It’s not any of our business to tell either Kelly or lee how to raise the kid, regardless of whatever contradictions we may or might not see.** This is very true. However, don’t forget that this thread (and the original “no Disney in my house” thread) were both started by **lee**. I don’t know about you, but in my book, when you start a thread on a major message board with thousands of members, you should be prepared to take what comes. Starting a thread is inviting others to disagree. ---
**Author:** ![RedFury](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ec9cab/32.png) [@RedFury](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RedFury)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2003, 8:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dont-be-such-a-jerk-ukulele-ike/146714/292 "2003-01-06T20:06:14Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by grendel72 \* > \*\*Bull fucking shit! > You can go back and read the motherfucking thread as easily as I can, and you will see that it was **not** brought up by the OP. \*\* Try taking your own bull fucking shit piece of advice, asshole. It was in fact, **lee** , who first intimated that hers wasn’t a typically conceived child: _ **Nearly 4 years ago my five year plan was to get pregnant. Not easy with a sterile husband. I managed that one as well.** _ Fine. First thing that came to mind was a surrogate father and/or in vitro fertilization. But then, **KellyM,** adds to the equation: _**Having two incomes and a third parent who can (and in fact wants to) stay home works out very well for us, and in that regard we are extremely lucky.**_ (underline mine) The “woman sperm” bit follows a bit later. And here we are. Perhaps you’re having problems reading because your motherfucking cross is too high? ---
**Author:** ![Dangerosa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/22d042/32.png) [@Dangerosa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dangerosa)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2003, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dont-be-such-a-jerk-ukulele-ike/146714/293 "2003-01-06T20:11:10Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by grendel72 \* > \*\*Maybe because you were _being_ jerks? If you quote something out of context deleting an important part of the original statement in an attempt to manufacture outrage, I’d say that is being a jerk. \*\* That doesn’t describe my motivation or reaction to the daycare comments. I was motivated by the “Care enough and have the resources” implying that anyone who had the resources and put their kids in daycare didn’t care enough about them. This is a horrible thing to imply about someone elses parenting – especially if you are playing martyr about how people criticize your own parenting. Ahh, the hypocrisy. ---
**Author:** ![Avalonian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ee7513/32.png) [@Avalonian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Avalonian)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2003, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dont-be-such-a-jerk-ukulele-ike/146714/294 "2003-01-06T20:11:43Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by grendel72 \* > **I’m not allowed to be pissed off by the fucking vile comments made by stofski (who is the one who brought up the issue of sexuality, by the way, for all of you lying pig fuckers claiming the OP did)** **stofsky** may have initiated the issue of sexuality, but **lee** (the OP) extended it, expanded upon it, highlighted it, and then stretched it to the silliest extreme with the “woman sperm” comment. Again, it was an offhand comment which **lee** overreacted to, and in doing so, brought it far more attention than it deserved. Everything following from **lee** ’s voluntary in-depth desription of her child’s conception is her own fault… don’t blame **stofsky** for what **lee** said. And (so far) the most vile comments in this thread have been your own. ---
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2003, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dont-be-such-a-jerk-ukulele-ike/146714/295 "2003-01-06T20:12:00Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by grendel72 \* > \*\*What, your **intentional misreading** of **lee** s comments brought on by your lynch mob hysteria is OK, but I’m not allowed to be pissed off by the fucking vile comments made by **stofski** (who is the one who brought up the issue of sexuality, by the way, for all of you lying pig fuckers claiming the OP did) and **reprise** and **Diane** and … \*\* Holy shit, you really are up there. Got enough nails? For the record, I read what **lee** had posted and asked for an elaboration, I didn’t “intentionally misread” her post, and I didn’t pursue it because this thread is enough of a trainwreck without another car. And I haven’t seen this much overreacting since that 5th grades production of Jesus Christ Superstar. So, a hearty fuck you, **grendel**. I’m sure it will help you feel better about yourself up there. As for the rest of this crap, I’m done. ---
**Author:** ![tiny\_ham](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a183cd/32.png) [@tiny\_ham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tiny_ham)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2003, 8:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dont-be-such-a-jerk-ukulele-ike/146714/296 "2003-01-06T20:17:41Z")
:: writing Hamlet was here on the wall:: ---
**Author:** ![RedFury](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ec9cab/32.png) [@RedFury](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RedFury)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2003, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dont-be-such-a-jerk-ukulele-ike/146714/297 "2003-01-06T20:20:04Z")
**MLC** As has already been pointed out – and very well, by both **stofsky** and **Max Torque** , I might add – this is a _public message board_ and anyone that wirtes something for the public view might expect their views to be challeged. Further, I had read this thread from the beginning, and other than being more than a little puzzled by the Disney-hate thing, I saw no need to comment. None of my business anyway. However, as it became a rambling wreck invoving transsexuals and three-parent families, I felt the irony was just to great to let it pass. And once again, I have NO problem with their choices, not mine to make – but I also felt the whole thing had just gotten way too bizarre. Disney VS A three-parent, transexual, female sperm, household. And that’s _why_ I made my initial comment. ---
**Author:** ![Mighty\_Girl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7bcc69/32.png) [@Mighty\_Girl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mighty_Girl)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2003, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dont-be-such-a-jerk-ukulele-ike/146714/298 "2003-01-06T20:24:50Z")
Would y’all climb down the cross? We have a crucifixion scheduled at 5:00. **Grendel** , listen dude: most of us didn’t even know about lee/Kelly’s family arrangement. For Odin’s sake, I just found out a page ago. They brought it up themselves… call me naive, but I thought they were friends/cousins/coworkers whatever. ---
**Author:** ![minty\_green](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f6c823/32.png) [@minty\_green](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/minty_green)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2003, 8:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dont-be-such-a-jerk-ukulele-ike/146714/299 "2003-01-06T20:40:27Z")
\*Some things in life are bad They can really make you mad Other things just make you wanna curse If you’re chewing on life’s gristle Don’t worry, give a whistle And this’ll help things turn out for the best Hey . . .\* ---
**Author:** ![Sauron](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ce7236/32.png) [@Sauron](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sauron)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2003, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dont-be-such-a-jerk-ukulele-ike/146714/300 "2003-01-06T20:43:02Z")
> [@](#): > > _Originally posted by KellyM_ > Just as, I’m sure, zev\_steinhardt has a rule about his kids (if he has any) not receiving pork sausages or mixed fabrics as gifts, too. This is what floors me. Who gives pork sausages as gifts? “Happy birthday, son! Here’s a sampler pack from Jimmy Dean. Have at it!” [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dont-be-such-a-jerk-ukulele-ike/146714.md?page=14) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dont-be-such-a-jerk-ukulele-ike/146714.md?page=16)