# Don't fly Mexicana if you're queer **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 29, 2000, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dont-fly-mexicana-if-youre-queer/43213 "2000-11-29T17:19:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Esprix](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/esprix/32/7899_2.png) [@Esprix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Esprix)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2000, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dont-fly-mexicana-if-youre-queer/43213/1 "2000-11-29T17:19:42Z")
(OK, so I’m on a posting roll, so sue me.) Found this little tidbit from PlanetOut today: > [@](#): > > [Mexicana Air Dumps Kissing Men](http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/po/20001128/co/mexicana_air_dumps_kissing_men_1.html) > > … Robert Jorge claims that he and a group of friends were kicked off a Mexicana Air flight to Cancun on November 22 because of anti-gay prejudice, and he intends to sue. The airline claims the problem was an open bottle of wine the party brought on board… > > Jorge and his friends say one flight attendant told them to stow the wine while the plane was at the gate, and they did. Mexicana said the captain wanted them off the plane to prevent any future disruption. > > But their ouster came more than fifteen minutes after the wine had been stowed, and involved a U-turn after the plane had already begun to taxi to the runway. It also came after Jorge’s kiss while the plane was taxiing, which immediately drew the attention of another flight attendant, who told them not to hold hands because they were disrupting other passengers… How fucking ridiculous is this? Violence on TV? Sure, that’s ok. Sex in the movies? No problem. Two men kissing? _ **Oh, my God!** _ :rolleyes: This stuff just burns me up. Esprix ---
**Author:** ![Enderw24](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ba9def/32.png) [@Enderw24](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enderw24)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2000, 5:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dont-fly-mexicana-if-youre-queer/43213/2 "2000-11-29T17:31:50Z")
Well, I guess then it’s a good thing I’m not flying to Mexico…or queer. Esprix, PlanetOut is probably not a magazine Edward R Murrow would be looking up to find unbiased information. Half the things in the magazine are meant to enrage! That being said, after reading through the short article twice, I really can’t find any good information to give me an accurate discription of what the hell happened from ANYONE’s perspective. I’m going to need more information before I bother getting upset over this. ---
**Author:** ![Bluepony](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Bluepony](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bluepony)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2000, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dont-fly-mexicana-if-youre-queer/43213/3 "2000-11-29T17:51:02Z")
I don’t think I’d fly on an airline called Mexicana, queer or not. I just have these visions of an unshaven pilot dressed in serapes and a sombrero, wearing a bandolier of bullets screaming into the radio-- “_CLEARANCES_, we don’ need no steenkin’ _CLEARANCES_!!” ---
**Author:** ![magdalene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/df788c/32.png) [@magdalene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magdalene)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2000, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dont-fly-mexicana-if-youre-queer/43213/4 "2000-11-29T17:56:48Z")
Esprix, may I recommend AEROFLOT? Not only do they not care if two men are kissing, they don’t care whether you smoke, eat, drink, live, or die. ---
**Author:** ![Una\_Persson](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/una_persson/32/346_2.png) [@Una\_Persson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Una_Persson)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2000, 6:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dont-fly-mexicana-if-youre-queer/43213/5 "2000-11-29T18:47:03Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by magdalene \* > **Esprix, may I recommend AEROFLOT? Not only do they not care if two men are kissing, they don’t care whether you smoke, eat, drink, live, or die.** LOL!!! Oh wait - my flight to Poland next week is on LOT. Wonder if that’s the same airline… ☹ ---
**Author:** ![magdalene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/df788c/32.png) [@magdalene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magdalene)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2000, 7:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dont-fly-mexicana-if-youre-queer/43213/6 "2000-11-29T19:00:35Z")
Una, LOT is a different Airline. I believe it often codeshares with Delta or United on international flights. You will be fine. LOT, CzechAir, and Maalev (Hungarian) are actually pretty nice little airlines. Maybe you can make out with your SO on the journey are report back about any discrimination? 😃 AEROFLOT is the Russian national airline. Folding chairs bolted to the floor are not unheard of, although I’ve heard it has gotten a lot better. Sorry for the hijack, Esprix, although I gotta agree with Enderw23. A friend of mine forwards me Planet Out stuff all the time, and I think a lot of it is borderline. Do you really need to look that hard to find things to get angry about? ---
**Author:** ![Esprix](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/esprix/32/7899_2.png) [@Esprix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Esprix)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2000, 7:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dont-fly-mexicana-if-youre-queer/43213/7 "2000-11-29T19:57:08Z")
Well no duh PlanetOut is biased, but at least I have somewhere to see news relevant to me. Still cheeses me, though. Esprix ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2000, 10:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dont-fly-mexicana-if-youre-queer/43213/8 "2000-11-29T22:09:57Z")
Er, 'Sprix, hon, a lot of news is relevant to you, isn’t it? Beyond that which is relevant to your sexual orientation, that is? Anyhoo, fly AeroMexico. Only way to go. ---
**Author:** ![threemae](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/5f9b8f/32.png) [@threemae](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/threemae)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2000, 10:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dont-fly-mexicana-if-youre-queer/43213/9 "2000-11-29T22:18:03Z")
> [@](#): > > I don’t think I’d fly on an airline called Mexicana, queer or not. > > I just have these visions of an unshaven pilot dressed in serapes and a sombrero, wearing a bandolier of bullets screaming into the radio-- “CLEARANCES, we don’ need no steenkin’ CLEARANCES!!” Well, if we cannot make bigoted, stereotypical, and offensive remarks about gay people, at least we can do it about Mexicans. Really… BTW, Andros is right, go AeroMexico, better customer service than UAL, TWA, AA, USAIR, et. al. or any other U.S. airline. ---
**Author:** ![magdalene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/df788c/32.png) [@magdalene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magdalene)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2000, 10:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dont-fly-mexicana-if-youre-queer/43213/10 "2000-11-29T22:36:42Z")
'dros, have I given you a virtual wedgie and told you that you are cool lately? ::wedgies andros and runs away:: ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2000, 10:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dont-fly-mexicana-if-youre-queer/43213/11 "2000-11-29T22:51:07Z")
> [@](#): > > 'dros, have I given you a virtual wedgie and told you that you are cool lately? OW. OK, you’re half there. Now tell me I’m cool. ---
**Author:** ![waterj2](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/858c86/32.png) [@waterj2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/waterj2)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2000, 11:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dont-fly-mexicana-if-youre-queer/43213/12 "2000-11-29T23:14:16Z")
Hell, Esprix, soon you’ll be in San Diego, where you can literally take the trolly to the Mexican border. And I’m pretty sure that you are allowed to kiss anyone you damn well please on it. Incidentally, why does anyone need to kiss on a friggin’ airplane? I see way too goddam many public displays of affection these days. I mean, the it’s now permissable for the VP to shove his tongue down his wife’s throat on National television. What is society coming to? ---
**Author:** ![magdalene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/df788c/32.png) [@magdalene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magdalene)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2000, 11:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dont-fly-mexicana-if-youre-queer/43213/13 "2000-11-29T23:31:43Z")
::apologizes to waterj for perpetuating PDA in this thread.:: 'dros, you are so cool your street name is Mr. Freeze. ---
**Author:** ![Coldfire](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a587f6/32.png) [@Coldfire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Coldfire)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2000, 12:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dont-fly-mexicana-if-youre-queer/43213/14 "2000-11-30T00:51:14Z")
Against better judgment, but because of limited availability and short notice, I flew **Martinair** this summer, Amsterdam - Cancun, vice versa. I don’t care if you’re queer or not. Nobody should be submitted to this sort of torture. They manage to cram **550** people in a regular 747-400. A comparison: I think a Singapore Airlines 747 (true, the other end of the spectrum) carries about 400 people. Tops. Can you say legroom? Or rather, lack thereof? Sweet Jesus. And that’s a _Dutch_ airline, not even an oscure East Block carrier. What added to the fun is that, upon arrival THREE FUCKING HOURS BEFORE OUR FLIGHT DEPARTED, there were no more seats next to each other on the plane. That’s right, all those tacky Cancun beach leatherskins were ALL there, and had ALL checked in. We had to drive up from Playa del Carmen, and made it -so we thought- well in time. Nope. 10 hours of flight, seated **behind** my girlfriend, and next to an Italian couple, of which the guy (who sat next to me) was TERRIFIED of flying, kept twisting and turning all night (depriving me of my sleep). To top it off, he climbed on his girlfriends lap crying during landing. Take a fucking BOAT, idiots, if that makes you feel more safe. Martinair? Never again. ---
**Author:** ![oldscratch](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/ed655f/32.png) [@oldscratch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/oldscratch)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2000, 12:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dont-fly-mexicana-if-youre-queer/43213/15 "2000-11-30T00:59:06Z")
Ah the joys of internal air in India…the memmories. The plane being delayed 8 hours because the pilot was to drunk to fly. The co-pilot making coffee and taking it around the plane because the stewardess has gone out to start the engine and they accidentally forgot her. The corrugated aluminum panneling. Everyone applauding on landing. Landing at the wrong airport. Sigh the memories. Brings a tear to the eye. btw…esprix…no plans to fly them, but keep us up to date on the story. ---
**Author:** ![woolly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/ebca7d/32.png) [@woolly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/woolly)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2000, 12:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dont-fly-mexicana-if-youre-queer/43213/16 "2000-11-30T12:51:59Z")
Plane trips from hell … Flying from Hong Kong to Nanking on Dragon Air. The plane has commenced takeoff when there was a short announcement in Mandarin and people started to stand up and move forward. Turns out the announcement was something like “There are spare seats in Business Class”. The plane is going through 300km/hr, the nose is coming up and there’s a near riot as a dozen passengers are screaming and fighting over the last of the upgraded seats. Unbelievable! ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2000, 1:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dont-fly-mexicana-if-youre-queer/43213/17 "2000-11-30T13:02:57Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Enderw23 \* > > Half the things in the magazine are meant to enrage! > \*\* Kinda like my local 11 o’clock news! ---
**Author:** ![TwistofFate](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/cdc98d/32.png) [@TwistofFate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TwistofFate)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2000, 1:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dont-fly-mexicana-if-youre-queer/43213/18 "2000-11-30T13:17:36Z")
aahh, Aeroflot. I flew Dublin to Moscow in 1993. Dehydrated on the plane, and the stewardesses were too busy flirting with the businessmen at the top of the plane. Can you say 25 degree C heat inside the plane? Can you say condensation forming on the window? Can you say near hallucinations? can you say the engines were so loud you could barely hear the person next to you? Luckily someone I was travelling with had water with them. I stepped off the plane into -18 degree heat, in a t-shirt. I didn’t realise just how cold it actually was until I realised my nads were almost in my throat. Never fly Aeroflot. ---
**Author:** ![Esprix](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/esprix/32/7899_2.png) [@Esprix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Esprix)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2000, 2:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dont-fly-mexicana-if-youre-queer/43213/19 "2000-11-30T14:46:18Z")
> [@](#): > > _Originally posted by **andros** _ > > Er, 'Sprix, hon, a lot of news is relevant to you, isn’t it? Beyond that which is relevant to your sexual orientation, that is? _Must_ we pick nits today? You know what I meant. Esprix ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2000, 6:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dont-fly-mexicana-if-youre-queer/43213/20 "2000-11-30T18:15:20Z")
Sorry. I was a little pissy yesterday. Big kiss. :slink: