# Don't give a good goddamn if it's the Pit or not **URL:** \ **Category:** About This Message Board\ **Created:** [January 28, 2019, 3:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dont-give-a-good-goddamn-if-its-the-pit-or-not/828522 "2019-01-28T03:36:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2019, 5:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dont-give-a-good-goddamn-if-its-the-pit-or-not/828522/21 "2019-01-28T05:52:54Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > … Going after family members of other posters though, should be off limits. I think there should be a rule against that. I would heartily support the adoption of this rule. ---
**Author:** ![GreysonCarlisle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a87d85/32.png) [@GreysonCarlisle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GreysonCarlisle)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2019, 5:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dont-give-a-good-goddamn-if-its-the-pit-or-not/828522/22 "2019-01-28T05:53:25Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > **LMAO** at the idea that you think **Huey** is “my boy”. > > (One of) The funny part(s) is that I agree with most of what you posted about him, I just find that the pearl-clutching leaves a bad taste in my mouth. Pearl-clutching. Or looking out for our brothers and sisters who have serious problems. Either way, I guess. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2019, 5:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dont-give-a-good-goddamn-if-its-the-pit-or-not/828522/23 "2019-01-28T05:56:59Z")
So… the Pit is a designated cesspool which is used by cliques to bully and harass unpopular posters but when someone is playing the same game by the same rules it’s a problem? Huey is mild compared to some of the decades long inhabitants of the Pit. :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![GreysonCarlisle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a87d85/32.png) [@GreysonCarlisle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GreysonCarlisle)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2019, 5:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dont-give-a-good-goddamn-if-its-the-pit-or-not/828522/24 "2019-01-28T05:59:19Z")
I’ll just leave this here where it’s more likely to be seen by the Admin: > [@What the fuck is wrong with Huey Freeman?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-fuck-is-wrong-with-huey-freeman/827427/340): > > As I understand it, trolling is trolling, even if it’s in the pit. And, also as I understand it, trolling is trolling, even if it’s an actual belief the poster holds. > > There’s no way I can see that the ludicrous claims of “autistic white people”, the attacks on **Shodan** ’s kids, and the strange use of “hoes” and “thots” can be anything but trolling. > > It’s a nice little fortress **Huey Freeman** tried to build–posting only in the pit and setting the ground rules early that only autistic white people can be racist while he spews his own racist screeds. > > This is one of the most ridiculous chain of threads I’ve ever seen here. ---
**Author:** ![Beckdawrek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beckdawrek/32/3647_2.png) [@Beckdawrek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beckdawrek)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2019, 6:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dont-give-a-good-goddamn-if-its-the-pit-or-not/828522/25 "2019-01-28T06:06:42Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > Would that lesson go beyond “hate speech is just that, hate speech”? > > Are you always this ambiguous with second graders? It’s 2 words: hate and speech. Surely you can understand that. Not hard, really. ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2019, 6:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dont-give-a-good-goddamn-if-its-the-pit-or-not/828522/26 "2019-01-28T06:09:33Z")
> [@Beckdawrek](#): > > It’s 2 words: hate and speech. Surely you can understand that. Not hard, really. I suspect that you realize that your definition of “hate speech” is closer to the definition I outlined in #12 than you’re comfortable admitting (perhaps even to yourself), and that it wouldn’t stand up to any real critical reasoning, which is why you’re playing coy and being evasive. ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2019, 6:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dont-give-a-good-goddamn-if-its-the-pit-or-not/828522/27 "2019-01-28T06:16:55Z")
I believe (but am open to correction on this point) that you got this bit wrong: > [@What the fuck is wrong with Huey Freeman?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-fuck-is-wrong-with-huey-freeman/827427/340): > > … as I understand it, trolling is trolling, even if it’s an actual belief the poster holds. … In the [Rules for Great Debates and Elections at SDMB](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=818217) (and yes, I realize the BBQ Pit has its own rules), **Bone** posted this: > [@](#): > > Identifying a troll is a question of motivations, which aren’t objectively verifiable. There really is no “bright line” that distinguishes a troll from someone who expresses an unpopular opinion forcefully. It’s ultimately a judgement call if a particular poster is doing one versus the other. In the [Revised Forum Rules for the BBQ Pit: read this before posting](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=507985), **Ed Zotti** posted this: > [@](#): > > **No trolling** > > By trolling, we mean posting of inflammatory comments solely to get a rise out of people. If we feel your primary goal as a poster is to make people mad, you’ll quickly find yourself on the road to banning. On the flip side, the fact that a poster consistently makes you mad doesn’t automatically make them a troll. ---
**Author:** ![GreysonCarlisle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a87d85/32.png) [@GreysonCarlisle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GreysonCarlisle)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2019, 6:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dont-give-a-good-goddamn-if-its-the-pit-or-not/828522/28 "2019-01-28T06:30:41Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > I believe (but am open to correction on this point) that you got this bit wrong: > > In the [Rules for Great Debates and Elections at SDMB](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=818217) (and yes, I realize the BBQ Pit has its own rules), **Bone** posted this: > > In the [Revised Forum Rules for the BBQ Pit: read this before posting](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=507985), **Ed Zotti** posted this: Whatever **Bone** thinks is what Bone thinks. I’m sure that it changes based on the situation. Does it really matter what **Ed** thinks? While I appreciate all that he’s done (and it’s a **lot** ), he’s not around anymore. **Huey** is a troll. I don’t know why the Mods don’t see that. Maybe I’m wrong–that’s always possible–but as I said in my OP, if those comments are OK, then the Straight Dope isn’t a place I want to be. If I wanted to be a part of 4-chan, I’d post on 4-chan. Hoping for a real response from a real Moderator. ---
**Author:** ![Beckdawrek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beckdawrek/32/3647_2.png) [@Beckdawrek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beckdawrek)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2019, 6:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dont-give-a-good-goddamn-if-its-the-pit-or-not/828522/29 "2019-01-28T06:49:06Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > I suspect that you realize that your definition of “hate speech” is closer to the definition I outlined in #12 than you’re comfortable admitting (perhaps even to yourself), and that it wouldn’t stand up to any real critical reasoning, which is why you’re playing coy and being evasive. I don’t play coy games. Hate speech=abusive language aimed a particular group. Easy to define, easy to see, easy enough to stop. ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2019, 6:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dont-give-a-good-goddamn-if-its-the-pit-or-not/828522/30 "2019-01-28T06:58:36Z")
> [@Beckdawrek](#): > > I don’t play coy games. > Hate speech=abusive language aimed a particular group. Easy to define, easy to see, easy enough to stop. And you don’t feel that that’s perhaps a tad simplistic or overly broad? ---
**Author:** ![GreysonCarlisle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a87d85/32.png) [@GreysonCarlisle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GreysonCarlisle)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2019, 7:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dont-give-a-good-goddamn-if-its-the-pit-or-not/828522/31 "2019-01-28T07:02:34Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > And you don’t feel that that’s perhaps a tad simplistic or overly broad? What, you think we’re talking about meth-heads and tweakers? Troll said what trolls say. Nuff said. ---
**Author:** ![GreysonCarlisle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a87d85/32.png) [@GreysonCarlisle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GreysonCarlisle)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2019, 7:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dont-give-a-good-goddamn-if-its-the-pit-or-not/828522/32 "2019-01-28T07:37:52Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > I would heartily support the adoption of this rule. I applaud you, sir. ---
**Author:** ![Beckdawrek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beckdawrek/32/3647_2.png) [@Beckdawrek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beckdawrek)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2019, 7:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dont-give-a-good-goddamn-if-its-the-pit-or-not/828522/33 "2019-01-28T07:43:47Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > And you don’t feel that that’s perhaps a tad simplistic or overly broad? Why make it difficult? It’s not hard to understand. Like I said, this can be taught to young children. Easy-peasy. ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2019, 9:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dont-give-a-good-goddamn-if-its-the-pit-or-not/828522/34 "2019-01-28T09:39:01Z")
Keep in mind, this is largely the same mod staff that tolerated **Clothahump** for nearly 20 years and **Starving Artist** for the better part of a decade. The are numerous posters here who are basically just shitty trolls; Huey is far from the most prolific or obnoxious. I’m rarely happy to see him post either, but at least he keeps his shit mostly contained to a handful of threads, most of which are by or about him. By comparison… Recently, we had a thread where a regular poster here got sick of the trolling of another member and [decided to emulate their style](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=21437686&postcount=272). It was really on-point, too! In my eyes, it rather conclusively showed that this style of debate is designed to be intentionally infuriating and drive the conversation off course, and that the more we tolerate it, the worse the board gets - regardless of whether they’re doing it to troll intentionally or if that’s just how they post. Another poster got so sick of a different poster’s nonsense that he posted [this](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=21440876&postcount=394). > [@Did Pelosi just un-invite Trump from the State of the Union?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-pelosi-just-un-invite-trump-from-the-state-of-the-union/827898/394): > > Should we rename threads when they stray a certain distance from the topic? > > Or maybe we design one of those “Whole New Look!” labels: > **New and Improved**! \* > Was\* Pelosi and Trump, _NOW_ it’s just **octopus**! > Yes, dear posters, it’s yet another thread where we foolishly keep poking him with the Stick of Knowledge, > only to be thwarted by the Tentacles of Contradiction. Come on in, the fallacies are fine! (To which I can only say: fucking cosigned, although I’m a little shocked that didn’t grab a warning.) After 9 pages of this crap, the lone moderator action in the thread was to say it was on super special lockdown. This wasn’t a pit thread. It was in _elections_. Not that it would somehow be better in the pit. Say what you will about Huey, he’s far from the worst around. If you avoid his threads, you can basically avoid him completely! That’s kind of odd for a troll, right? ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2019, 11:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dont-give-a-good-goddamn-if-its-the-pit-or-not/828522/35 "2019-01-28T11:38:46Z")
> [@GreysonCarlisle](#): > > Pit or not, if this is acceptable within the community here, I want no part of this place. Hey, she started it… …last year, sometime. Dude can definitely hold a grudge. ---
**Author:** ![Sparky812](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/eb9ed0/32.png) [@Sparky812](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sparky812)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2019, 1:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dont-give-a-good-goddamn-if-its-the-pit-or-not/828522/36 "2019-01-28T13:44:34Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > FWIW, since I was the one insulted, if he wants to use my illness against me, then that just shows his true colors, not mine. > Going after family members of other posters though, should be off limits. I think there should be a rule against that. My thoughts exactly. Anyone who would spew such misinformed, idiotic, and misogynist garbage at another poster just opens the window on what a truly uneducated, backward-thinking, and awful person they really are. Bringing family into the issue should be off-limits. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2019, 2:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dont-give-a-good-goddamn-if-its-the-pit-or-not/828522/37 "2019-01-28T14:19:37Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > FWIW, since I was the one insulted, if he wants to use my illness against me, then that just shows his true colors, not mine. FWIW, **Guin** , I am sorry you are coming in for these kinds of undeserved personal attacks. Being the better person isn’t always easy, but you’re doing it. **Huey** is being as offensive as he can against white people so he can get Banned. Then he will pat himself on the back that “those white supremacists can’t handle me!” etc., etc. If he isn’t Banned, he will just up the ante. Might as well give him what he wants. IMO, IANAMod. And I do suffer from an unfortunate tendency to throw nutriment under bridges. > [@GreysonCarlisle](#): > > Pit or not, if this is acceptable within the community here, I want no part of this place. Hmm - **Huey Freeman** vs. practically any other Doper I can think of. Not a tough call AFAICT. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![WolfpackJeep](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpackjeep/32/2921_2.png) [@WolfpackJeep](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WolfpackJeep)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2019, 2:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dont-give-a-good-goddamn-if-its-the-pit-or-not/828522/38 "2019-01-28T14:25:34Z")
> [@hajario](#): > > Did you report the post? I reported it too. That post went beyond typical Pit poo-flinging; it was vile, stalker-level crap. ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2019, 2:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dont-give-a-good-goddamn-if-its-the-pit-or-not/828522/39 "2019-01-28T14:26:07Z")
Without weighing in on what justifies a banhammer, ISTM we have a perfectly functional “Ignore” function. . ---
**Author:** ![kopek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kopek/32/337_2.png) [@kopek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kopek)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2019, 2:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dont-give-a-good-goddamn-if-its-the-pit-or-not/828522/40 "2019-01-28T14:31:08Z")
At first, reading just the link to the specific post, I was like yeah this is way over the top. Reading it in context of the thread (at least from post 500 or so) I didn’t feel quite the same way. As others said it is the Pit and while one of the wordier and more constructed rants its far from the only serious personal jab that whole thing produced. As much as I hate to say it, I would probably let that one pass. I would prefer it had been against some other poster (insert another name including my own here) but ------------- [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dont-give-a-good-goddamn-if-its-the-pit-or-not/828522.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dont-give-a-good-goddamn-if-its-the-pit-or-not/828522.md?page=3)