# Don't give a good goddamn if it's the Pit or not **URL:** \ **Category:** About This Message Board\ **Created:** [January 28, 2019, 3:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dont-give-a-good-goddamn-if-its-the-pit-or-not/828522 "2019-01-28T03:36:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 13\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2019, 1:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dont-give-a-good-goddamn-if-its-the-pit-or-not/828522/121 "2019-01-29T01:22:17Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > That’s lovely and all, but people shouldn’t need to explain insults when the target of a pitting. …yep. I’ve agreed with the octopus twice in one thread 🙂 Tomorrow comes the apocalypse. ---
**Author:** ![Huey\_Freeman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/huey_freeman/32/251_2.png) [@Huey\_Freeman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Huey_Freeman)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2019, 1:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dont-give-a-good-goddamn-if-its-the-pit-or-not/828522/122 "2019-01-29T01:24:05Z")
> [@raventhief](#): > > You keep saying it’s an attack on your wife, even though she pointed out, _after_ the initial post but _before_ these posts you are making now, that page using that very example. Twice. Maybe your didn’t recognize that rhetorical device at the time, but you say you do now- and yet, you keep calling it an attack on your wife (why, is she the type of woman who gets beat? If you see it as an attack on YOU that makes sense. But I don’t understand how it attacks your wife.) I am calling it an attack on my wife, my relationship, and my integrity \*at the time. \*. If you do not understand that, it’s OK, I’m not here to answer or justify my feelings to you. I just want to make the record absolutely clear that Guin did not hint she was using a rhetorical device until \*after \*I had already made the offending post. I want to make this absolutely clear. Thanks. ---
**Author:** ![Huey\_Freeman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/huey_freeman/32/251_2.png) [@Huey\_Freeman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Huey_Freeman)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2019, 1:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dont-give-a-good-goddamn-if-its-the-pit-or-not/828522/123 "2019-01-29T01:25:15Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > **So…it’s all a mistake, right? You were unfamiliar with the cliche (and MfM, an idiom can be a cliche) about “Have you stopped beating your wife”, right? and you responded by attacking her mental illness and mocking her singlehood, because you thought she was calling you an abuser, right?** > > On another messageboard, I got a reputation for saying “cite, motherfucker?” I’m not sure I ever said exactly that, but the shoe basically fit. > > Imagine you saw me ask someone, “Cite, motherfucker?” and the person started GOING THE FUCK OFF because they thought I was literally accusing them of having raped their mom. > > What would you think they should do once someone explained that “motherfucker” was an idiom, not to be taken literally? (bolding mine) Yes, this is correct. ---
**Author:** ![Huey\_Freeman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/huey_freeman/32/251_2.png) [@Huey\_Freeman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Huey_Freeman)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2019, 1:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dont-give-a-good-goddamn-if-its-the-pit-or-not/828522/124 "2019-01-29T01:29:54Z")
> [@Johnny\_Bravo](#): > > It’s self evident. It’s a common expression. Like, super common. What’s common in your culture, may not be common in mine. I have heard the expression before, but I’ll freely admit, I didn’t know that it meant something other than the insinuation of being an wife beater. Not everyone has the same frame of reference. For example, when I first joined the board, I was mod-noted for saying “Negro, please” because the staff member thought I was using a racial slur. But in our culture, it loosely translates to something like “You crazy,” or in full white speak “C’mon now, my esteemed brother, surely you jest”. Not everyone has the same frame of reference. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2019, 1:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dont-give-a-good-goddamn-if-its-the-pit-or-not/828522/125 "2019-01-29T01:33:19Z")
> [@Huey\_Freeman](#): > > What’s common in your culture, may not be common in mine. I have heard the expression before, but I’ll freely admit, I didn’t know that it meant something other than the insinuation of being an wife beater. Not everyone has the same frame of reference. For example, when I first joined the board, I was mod-noted for saying “Negro, please” because the staff member thought I was using a racial slur. But in our culture, it loosely translates to something like “You crazy,” or in full white speak “C’mon now, my esteemed brother, surely you jest”. Not everyone has the same frame of reference. So, I agree, and obviously you’re not a jerk or moron or anything for not knowing the phrase. But you went the fuck off on Guin in a pretty nasty way. Now that you know she wasn’t going off on you in anything near as nasty a way, wouldn’t a sincere “Holy shit, I am so sorry” be in order? ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2019, 1:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dont-give-a-good-goddamn-if-its-the-pit-or-not/828522/126 "2019-01-29T01:35:02Z")
:smack: Basically, correcting a freaking _typo_ means I’m serious. Oy. > [@Huey\_Freeman](#): > > Then it should’ve been in the rules. Which Guin violated by attacking my wife regardless of her intention by using such a pointed rhetorical device. To claim post hoc outrage and play shoulda-woulda-coulda is absurd. Again, I did no such thing\*. It is not our fault you were unfamiliar with an extremely common logical trap. However, why would it be somehow verboten to attack your wife, yet perfectly fine for YOU to attack the wives and children of others? :dubious: As for the “ **Huey** ’s not really black”, I said once, a throw a way comment, something like I wouldn’t be surprised if **Huey** was just some white conservative, pretending to be black to troll the place. Because you know, this place has a history of that sort of thing. (People pretending to be someone they’re not for various reasons) It wasn’t about **Huey** or black people, or whatever. It’s just the nature of the place, and the nature of the internet. It’s happened to posters who’ve come here before, and it’ll probably happen to posters in the future. It has nothing to do with **Huey** being black, as once again, I’ve pointed out. \*Seriously, you’ve never heard that [cliche](http://www.mrmediatraining.com/2011/09/19/when-did-you-stop-beating-your-wife/)? It’s so freaking old, how could anyone be on the internet nowadays and NOT have heard that? It’s not about anyone’s “culture”, unless you consider logic and debating to be a culture. That just blows my mind. Don’t you ever watch shows like _Law & Order_? They use those kinds of loaded questions all the time! ---
**Author:** ![Huey\_Freeman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/huey_freeman/32/251_2.png) [@Huey\_Freeman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Huey_Freeman)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2019, 1:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dont-give-a-good-goddamn-if-its-the-pit-or-not/828522/127 "2019-01-29T01:45:03Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > So, I agree, and obviously you’re not a jerk or moron or anything for not knowing the phrase. > > But you went the fuck off on Guin in a pretty nasty way. Now that you know she wasn’t going off on you in anything near as nasty a way, wouldn’t a sincere “Holy shit, I am so sorry” be in order? It’s a fair cop. Guin, if you were offended, I apologize. As I stated before in the Pit thread, I have endeavored to leave you alone. Also, despite what others may be saying, I was not stalking you, I honestly guessed you were depressed a few weeks ago (when I called compared you to Shodan) in this [post](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=21433147&postcount=209) and, when you [confirmed that you did suffer from depression](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=21439559&postcount=312) it in a follow-up post, I used that information as a springboard to retaliate after I felt you attacked my marriage. There is no stalking on my part. I just want to make that point clear. Thanks ---
**Author:** ![Measure\_for\_Measure](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/measure_for_measure/32/557_2.png) [@Measure\_for\_Measure](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Measure_for_Measure)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2019, 1:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dont-give-a-good-goddamn-if-its-the-pit-or-not/828522/128 "2019-01-29T01:48:04Z")
> [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > …what rule did you think I was proposing? I’m not proposing a rule change. I’m suggesting its time for a broader discussion on what we want the BBQ Pit to be. Sounds good. Let me answer your question for the sake of clarity. I thought you were suggesting that posters be discouraged from questioning the accuracy of claims made by other posters regarding their RL ethnicity. You noted that such questions (in the pit) are hurtful. I think that’s unfortunate - seriously! But the alternative would open us up to a wave of trolling by racist RW white males. Broader discussions are good though. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2019, 1:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dont-give-a-good-goddamn-if-its-the-pit-or-not/828522/129 "2019-01-29T01:50:14Z")
> [@Huey\_Freeman](#): > > It’s a fair cop. Guin, if you were offended, I apologize. Cool. > [@Guinastasia](#): > > As for the “ **Huey** ’s not really black”, I said once, a throw a way comment, something like I wouldn’t be surprised if **Huey** was just some white conservative, pretending to be black to troll the place. Because you know, this place has a history of that sort of thing. (People pretending to be someone they’re not for various reasons) It wasn’t about **Huey** or black people, or whatever. It’s just the nature of the place, and the nature of the internet. It’s happened to posters who’ve come here before, and it’ll probably happen to posters in the future. It has nothing to do with **Huey** being black, as once again, I’ve pointed out. Not cool. ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2019, 1:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dont-give-a-good-goddamn-if-its-the-pit-or-not/828522/130 "2019-01-29T01:50:18Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > \*Seriously, you’ve never heard that [cliche](http://www.mrmediatraining.com/2011/09/19/when-did-you-stop-beating-your-wife/)? It’s so freaking old, how could anyone be on the internet nowadays and NOT have heard that? It’s not about anyone’s “culture”, unless you consider logic and debating to be a culture. That just blows my mind. Don’t you ever watch shows like _Law & Order_? They use those kinds of loaded questions all the time! Respectfully, this represents a quite specific worldview. Your reality is not necessarily others’. You might be surprised by how many people have never ever watched the same shows, browsed the same websites, or lived the same life experiences as you. . ---
**Author:** ![Elmore](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e9a140/32.png) [@Elmore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elmore)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2019, 1:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dont-give-a-good-goddamn-if-its-the-pit-or-not/828522/131 "2019-01-29T01:59:39Z")
> [@Huey Freeman](#): > > You claim that Guinastasia in this post > is correcting her use of a rhetorical device. Pretend that I am a kindergartner and explain to me where exactly in this post did she point out that this was a rhetorical device? Please show in that post where she is “demonstrating the loaded fallacy question”. What I think is hilarious is that you never stop banging on about how smart you are, but you weren’t able to work this out from context. ---
**Author:** ![Elmore](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e9a140/32.png) [@Elmore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elmore)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2019, 2:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dont-give-a-good-goddamn-if-its-the-pit-or-not/828522/132 "2019-01-29T02:06:54Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > Again, I did no such thing\*. It is not our fault you were unfamiliar with an extremely common logical trap. However, why would it be somehow verboten to attack your wife, yet perfectly fine for YOU to attack the wives and children of others? Good point. It’s hilarious watching Huey feign high dudgeon because he (allegedly) thought Guinastasia attacked his wife, when he attacks other people’s wives _all the goddamn time!_ And then he has the gall to come into this thread to whine about hypocrisy. He truly is an excellent troll. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2019, 2:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dont-give-a-good-goddamn-if-its-the-pit-or-not/828522/133 "2019-01-29T02:25:06Z")
> [@Huey\_Freeman](#): > > Aaaaand, with this, I’m done. Agreed. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dont-give-a-good-goddamn-if-its-the-pit-or-not/828522.md?page=6)