# Don't let your kids pay for the delivery pizza **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 22, 2002, 2:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dont-let-your-kids-pay-for-the-delivery-pizza/144384 "2002-12-22T14:41:53Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 19
**Author:** ![Fenris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fenris/32/498_2.png) [@Fenris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fenris)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2002, 9:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dont-let-your-kids-pay-for-the-delivery-pizza/144384/361 "2002-12-27T21:05:53Z")
To those who want to tip on the price AFTER coupon: I just got a coupon for a local seafood place offering me a free meak for my birthday (price not to exceed $X.XX). If dine alone and have a meal under whatever that amount is, should I simply not tip at all? After all, I’m paying nothing. By your logic, I should stiff the server. Fenris ---
**Author:** ![kimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/f0a364/32.png) [@kimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kimera)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2002, 9:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dont-let-your-kids-pay-for-the-delivery-pizza/144384/362 "2002-12-27T21:16:26Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by friedo \* > \*\*No, fuck you. If you’re so broke that pizza is a treat, you’re far better off taking the $8.00 down to the grocery store where you can buy enough food to feed you for a few days than stiffing a hardworking person who earns less than minimum wage out of his tip. Your attitude is particularly selfish. \*\* I completely agree. I am so poor that when we can get pizza, it is a rare occasion and a treat, but I always tip 3 dollars. Why? Because I work in a resturant and sometimes those tips make the difference in if I can eat more than rice that weekend. ---
**Author:** ![auntie\_em](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/5e9695/32.png) [@auntie\_em](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/auntie_em)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2002, 9:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dont-let-your-kids-pay-for-the-delivery-pizza/144384/363 "2002-12-27T21:25:08Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Indygrrl \* > \*\*Do you also order White Zinfandel and your filet butterflied and well-done? (Sorry, couldn’t resist) \*\* I just spewed Mexican food out of my nose. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![World\_Eater](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f04885/32.png) [@World\_Eater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/World_Eater)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2002, 9:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dont-let-your-kids-pay-for-the-delivery-pizza/144384/364 "2002-12-27T21:28:04Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by keithnmick \* > \*\*I think you’re showing your true colors here. > The fact that you have spent so much time arguing about leaving a tip presents you as a cheapass. \*\* I’ll defend myself when I feel I have a valid point, no matter how long it takes. Seeing that you don’t even know what I’m arguing about, it may be awhile. I’ll just steal the quote from **Sauron’s** post, and let it sum up my position. Bolding mine. " **My opinion is: tip your waiter / waitress.** But this is not to say that it should be ever considered ‘required’. Recently, most wait staff have lost sight of the fact that a tip is a gratuity and NOT a must … " \*\* > [@](#): > > Let’s add the fact that you seem to think that waiting tables is a job that anyone can leave and find a “real” job.\*\* It’s as real as any other job, and the same rules apply. If you’re not happy, find something else. \*\* > [@](#): > > Get off your arrogant high pony and realize that it’s not a final career choice for most people. Merely a way of making ends meet. \*\* Seems the same for any job. \*\* > [@](#): > > It can be an enjoyable job. An evening is usually ruined by having an asshole that you have to kowtow to who will evidently never be pleased who then stiffs ou on the tip. Working for tips helps to understand this.\*\* No, working any job in general helps you understand this. I deal with the whole spectrum of people, just like you everyday, but my day doesn’t get ruined because of it. If you can’t deal with that part of your job, perhaps a career change is in order. Again this is my opinion, in case you missed it the first 40 times. " **My opinion is: tip your waiter / waitress.** But this is not to say that it should be ever considered ‘required’. Recently, most wait staff have lost sight of the fact that a tip is a gratuity and NOT a must … " ---
**Author:** ![keithnmick](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/90db22/32.png) [@keithnmick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/keithnmick)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2002, 9:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dont-let-your-kids-pay-for-the-delivery-pizza/144384/365 "2002-12-27T21:51:53Z")
Waiting tables is not the same as any other job. It’s a job that you can hold and go to school/work another job/look after the baby in the day while your SO is at work…etc that is local and doesn’t require a degree. You look like an asshole making comments like this: > [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by World Eater \* > \*\* Perhaps we tip well for even decent service, because we are well aware of the peanuts you make? Now at the same time can I still be disgusted by your bitching and sense of entitlement? Could I even humbly suggest that you get the hell off your lousy goddamn ass and find a fucking job where your ability to pay a $30 electric bill is not compromised because someone stiffed you out of 50 cents? > \*\* Especially when I have displayed no sense of entitlement whatsoever. For the record, I don’t work in a restaurant, and I haven’t for a long time. I think that it’s a tough job, tougher than what I do for a living these days, certainly, but I don’t tip out of pity. I tip well because I know how it can be a big deal to the server, and I was them once. Bitching about the “sense of entitlement” that I haven’t seen displayed by the majority of posters and that I rarely see when I eat out just looks cheap and bitter. You’re coming off that way to the majority of the people reading this. I fully agree with you that sub par service does not merit 15%. ---
**Author:** ![andymurph64](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a88e57/32.png) [@andymurph64](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andymurph64)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2002, 9:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dont-let-your-kids-pay-for-the-delivery-pizza/144384/366 "2002-12-27T21:57:27Z")
Well, I spent 6 weeks as a waitor once, long ago. I didn’t last long. I had a hard time serving people obviously inferior to me. 😃 Many times they even thought they were correct and I was wrong! Sheesh 😛 ---
**Author:** ![amarone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e0b2c6/32.png) [@amarone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/amarone)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2002, 10:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dont-let-your-kids-pay-for-the-delivery-pizza/144384/367 "2002-12-27T22:05:26Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Sauron \* > \*\*Also, tips involving liquor should follow the following guidelines: > > If one bottle of wine was ordered, then it is usually okay to include it’s (sic) cost into the tip calculation. > If there is a lot of wine ordered or if the price of a single wine bottle is above $10, I think it’s (sic) cost should NOT be included in the final tip calculation." > \*\* There are still places you can get a bottle of wine for less than $10?? ---
**Author:** ![amarone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e0b2c6/32.png) [@amarone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/amarone)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2002, 10:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dont-let-your-kids-pay-for-the-delivery-pizza/144384/368 "2002-12-27T22:12:51Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Sauron \* > \*\*Just discovered an interesting site: [www.tipping.org](http://www.tipping.org). This site isn’t necessarily the end-all be-all of tipping information, but it does have some good stuff. > \*\* That’s an interesting site. If we go right back to the OP, which was about pizza delivery (long before we segued into table service), the [tipping.org](http://tipping.org) site recommends a tip based on distance, with extra for a large order. Tipping by distance is how I do it, although I did get castigated in this thread when I stated that. ---
**Author:** ![OpalCat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/8edcca/32.png) [@OpalCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OpalCat)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2002, 12:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dont-let-your-kids-pay-for-the-delivery-pizza/144384/369 "2002-12-28T00:30:16Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Indygrrl \* > \*\*Um, I don’t know where you worked, but I never lost money on a night of stripping. If you weren’t getting table dances or stage tips then what was the point? Anywhere I ever worked, the hot girls made serious cash. \*\* I’ve worked at TD’s east and west and Tens in Tucson, Lace in Arlington, TX, New Orleans Nights in Ft. Worth, and Caligula XXI in Houston. Working on a sunday night, paying $20 for your shift and $10 each way for a cab, and then having a really slow night where only 30 customers came in all night and you got one table dance and that was it… well you’re out money. Bravo for you that you’re so wonderful that you always made a lot of money. (I’ll also bet you didn’t work in Tucson where table dances were only $5.) ---
**Author:** ![OpalCat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/8edcca/32.png) [@OpalCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OpalCat)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2002, 12:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dont-let-your-kids-pay-for-the-delivery-pizza/144384/370 "2002-12-28T00:48:20Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by doreen \* > \*\*I’m not sure what kind of places buffet places your talking about.I’m not talking about places where you can order a meal and a buffet, or where the buffet is included with the meal, like Ponderosa or Sizzler. I’m talking about places that only have a buffet and don’t sell food a la carte (lots of them around here). So the server at most brings drinks,clears plates and collects the bill. In some, you pay before you’re seated, so it’s only bringing drinks and clearing plates. And I’m sure those servers can handle twice as many tables as they could if they were doing full service (taking orders and bringing the food at the right time). \*\* Heck the only buffet I ever go to, you pay at the door, come in, find your own seat, get your own food, silverware, drinks, and napkins, and the only time you even see the staff is when they are clearing the tables or refilling items at the buffet. ---
**Author:** ![OpalCat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/8edcca/32.png) [@OpalCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OpalCat)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2002, 12:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dont-let-your-kids-pay-for-the-delivery-pizza/144384/371 "2002-12-28T00:52:56Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Sauron \* > \*\ ***Nowhere in them** does it say “I deserve a tip if I provide _good_ service.” \*\* No, not IN THEM, but in other parts of the thread & posts. The people involved have made it clear that that is their opinion, whether they said it over and over in every handy quote or not. ---
**Author:** ![Enderw24](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ba9def/32.png) [@Enderw24](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enderw24)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2002, 12:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dont-let-your-kids-pay-for-the-delivery-pizza/144384/372 "2002-12-28T00:57:13Z")
Table dances for $5? Sweeeet. Hey, if there are two at the table, do we both have to tip you, seeing as how it’s not much more work to serve two as it is one. [sub]kidding, kidding…[/sub] I don’t like how in this thread anyone who asks a question about tipping must first state how they actually do tip and are thus put on the defensive right from the get go. My tipping habits have no relevance to the question being asked. I don’t like how I must trot out my resume before questioning certain tipping practices. FTR, I’ve been a server for two years. Whoopdeefucking doo. As if that gives me some validity to my opinion. I’m not the Borg and I’m allowed to see things from both sides of the table here. But if I didn’t state that I wasn’t a server at one time, many people would ignore me because I just don’t know how hard servers work. That’s bullshit. People have the right to question a practice without having been there/done that. I abhore those who have brought up the comparison to black people in this thread. IMO, that’s one step down from invoking Godwin’s Law as a sleazy way to win an argument. People are asking questions here. Answer the questions or don’t answer the questions. But don’t call them cheapskates merely for asking. ---
**Author:** ![OpalCat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/8edcca/32.png) [@OpalCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OpalCat)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2002, 1:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dont-let-your-kids-pay-for-the-delivery-pizza/144384/373 "2002-12-28T01:13:48Z")
Table dances are paid for by the person who gets them. If a guy wants a table dance, he tips me and I dance for him. Doesn’t matter how many people are at the table, the dance is for him. (it always rocked when a guy would give you $100 for a table dance when $5 was the minimum. Mmmmmm… Texas was also better, as table dances were $20 there.) ---
**Author:** ![SwimmingRiddles](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/43a26b/32.png) [@SwimmingRiddles](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SwimmingRiddles)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2002, 3:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dont-let-your-kids-pay-for-the-delivery-pizza/144384/374 "2002-12-28T03:13:20Z")
**Sauron** You actually quoted ME here on page 7: > [@](#): > > I took a job that paid $3.50 an hour BECAUSE I, my employer and all of the United States Federal Labor Laws EXPECT people to pay You took that quote out of context, and completely ignored another post of mine, where I said: > [@](#): > > - > > I said on page 4… \* > \*\*The Servers say… You need to tip me at least 15%, granted that you food arrives hot, is what you want, your server checks on your food after it’s delivered, and gives you the option of drink refills. Service should also curteous and prompt. If all of these things are done, and nothing overtly negative occurs, it is not unreasonable to expect the customer to tip 15%. \*all arguments are off in non-US countries, at which case, one should refer to local custom. \*\* Your argument is that people have a sense of entitlement, but I find it highly offensive that you are misquoting people, taking posts out of context, not attributing quotes to posters, and THEN talking about how WE have an entitlement issues? You aren’t entitled to misusing my words to further your argument, my friend. I’m **so** glad you found a website that you believed over the voices of all of the servers who have been saying the SAME DAMN THING. Because if it’s in a website, it MUST be more credible than we are. :rolleyes: And as for **doreen** , no one is argueing with you any more. We (the servers) are all telling you the same thing. Go ahead. Use your coupon. Save your money. And when you save your money, don’t stop there. Go ahead, feel free to tip the server as little as you’d like. It’s your right to do so. We’re just saying that it’s our right to think you’re cheap for doing so. I’m sorry I can’t give you a more “logical” explaination as to why you should tip on the meal. But quite frankly, I’ve really stopped caring. Just as I don’t chase bad tippers down the street screaming, because it’s not worth my time or energy. It’s also not worth my time or energy to attempt to convince you of ettiquite. It doesn’t HAVE to make logical sense. It’s ettiquite. It’s the way we, as members of a common society, are able to communicate to each other on a superficial basis. Does it make logical sense for me to smile to someone when I’m passing them on the street? No. I don’t know them, they don’t make me happy. But it’s polite (at least where I live, in New York, it’s rude), so I do it. End of argument. ---
**Author:** ![Weirddave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/919ad9/32.png) [@Weirddave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Weirddave)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2002, 3:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dont-let-your-kids-pay-for-the-delivery-pizza/144384/375 "2002-12-28T03:22:02Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Enderw24 \* > \*\*Blah, blah… > > People are asking questions here. Answer the questions or don’t answer the questions. But don’t call them cheapskates merely for asking. \*\* We HAVE been answering the questions. Repeatedly. The problem is that the other parties don’t accept the answers, because the answers are not supporting their desire to feel martered for being expected to tip. ---
**Author:** ![CanvasShoes](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/74df32/32.png) [@CanvasShoes](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CanvasShoes)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2002, 3:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dont-let-your-kids-pay-for-the-delivery-pizza/144384/376 "2002-12-28T03:46:39Z")
Inndy: Do you also order White Zinfandel and your filet butterflied and well-done? (Sorry, couldn’t resist) * * * Ummmm, I like MY steak WAY well done (NO mooing) does that make ME a tightwad?, hehe. ---
**Author:** ![doreen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/858c86/32.png) [@doreen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doreen)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2002, 4:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dont-let-your-kids-pay-for-the-delivery-pizza/144384/377 "2002-12-28T04:10:19Z")
> [@](#): > > We HAVE been answering the questions. Repeatedly. The problem is that the other parties don’t accept the answers, because the answers are not supporting their desire to feel martered for being expected to tip. No, there were at least two answers that I accepted- one person said way back that it doesn’t make sense for servers to want it both ways and another said it’s only a couple of bucks, servers are poorly paid ,why not, which I didn’t have a problem with at all. You will notice, however that neither of those answers used the words “deserved”,"equal work " or “cheap”. Apparently the practice of tipping on the pre-discount price is either not as well-known or as widespread as some people believe, since before this thread, I had never heard of it **,Sauron** had never heard of it, only one of the ten websites I checked even mentioned discounts (all the others said tip x% “of the bill”, not “of the menu price”) and more than one server has implied that a lot (maybe most) of customers using coupons **don’t** tip on the pre-discounted price. If a significant number of people are not tipping on the pre-discount price,that means it is **not** the standard practice in that area. Servers on their own don’t get to decree what’s standard and accepted. As as far as servers being free to think a person is cheap for tipping on the discounted price, sure they are. They might even be right. They’re also free to think a person is cheap for asking a question, or for not giving a 50% tip. And I’m free to think that servers, for all their talk of “equal work” on the “two-fer” dinner, really have no basis for the shifting rules except for wanting a bigger tip, but for some reason, some don’t want to admit it. ---
**Author:** ![Weirddave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/919ad9/32.png) [@Weirddave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Weirddave)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2002, 4:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dont-let-your-kids-pay-for-the-delivery-pizza/144384/378 "2002-12-28T04:39:05Z")
Alright, smart ass, YOU put on an apron and pick up a tray and let’s see how well YOU can do it. After that, I’ll back off on the assertion that two people is a fuck of a lot more work than one if you still want to make it. ---
**Author:** ![doreen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/858c86/32.png) [@doreen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doreen)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2002, 5:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dont-let-your-kids-pay-for-the-delivery-pizza/144384/379 "2002-12-28T05:16:08Z")
> [@](#): > > originally posted by Weirddave > Alright, smart ass, YOU put on an apron and pick up a tray and let’s see how well YOU can do it. After that, I’ll back off on the assertion that two people is a fuck of a lot more work than one if you still want to make it. If that was to me, I never said that it wasn’t. Oh wait you must mean this part > [@](#): > > And I’m free to think that servers, for all their talk of “equal work” on the “two-fer” dinner, really have no basis for the shifting rules except for wanting a bigger tip, but for some reason, some don’t want to admit it. which does not say that serving two is not harder than serving one OK, I’ll rephrase : And I’m free to think that servers, for all their talk of equal work being the justification for expecting tipping on the menu price on the “two-fer” dinner, while not wanting tips based on the amount of work in situations where tipping based on the bill provides a larger tip , really have no basis for the shifting rules except for wanting a bigger tip, but for some reason, some don’t want to admit it. ---
**Author:** ![lezlers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/258eb7/32.png) [@lezlers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lezlers)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2002, 6:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dont-let-your-kids-pay-for-the-delivery-pizza/144384/380 "2002-12-28T06:22:25Z")
**Doreen** , who gets to decide what’s standard then? If servers get no say in tipping practices then who’s decision is it? It seems to be that you are refusing to accept what is standard on ettiqute sites because you don’t like it. You tip on the meal price. It doesn’t contradict with tipping on the amount of the meal. It’s the same damn thing. Your ticket price has changed because management decided to give you a discount, but the meal price remains the same. You just ate a $50 meal, you just got lucky, and only had to pay $25 bucks for it. So tip on the $50 meal. Can’t get much simpler than that, sorry. Ahhh **WorldEater** You’re a real peach, aren’t ya? :rolleyes: > [@](#): > > What the fuck does that have to do with anything? I was showing **Sauron** the construct of his argument. I used an example he could relate to. I’m sorry if I deviated to far from the subject at hand, I didn’t know you had so many problems with your attention span. > [@](#): > > \*\* I DON’T LIKE THAT YOU EXPECT `5% FOR WHAT YOU CONSIDER TO BE ADEQUATE SERVICE, IT’S FOR ME TO DECIDE!\*\* Ah, I see what the problem here is. You have power issues. And no need to get hysterical, no one’s gonna steal your lollypop away. No need to yell. So what, pray tell, is your idea of adequate service? What will it take to be deemed worthy of your esteemed 15%? What does one have to do to recieve the honor of your bestowment? Honestly, you sound like a mad little kid who’s throwing a temper tantrum because Mommy won’t let him decide what color sweater he’s gonna wear. **IT’S FOR ME TO DECIDE!** There are guidelines for “adequate service” It’s probably made up by the same mysterious society that **doreen** says the tipping rules are made up by, since they couldn’t possibly come from the resteraunt industry. Greet a table w/in 2 minutes of being seated. Take drink order. Get drinks out in a timely fashion (couple of minutes) take entree order, deliver entree, check back w/in two minutes to make sure everythings okay, get refills, clear dishes, offer desert, drop check. Standard procedure. > [@](#): > > The only cheap thing in this thread is your reading comprehension, which I could buy at Kmart for $.99 Ohhhh. _good one_. I’m impressed. :rolleyes: > [@](#): > > Because it completely contradicts that bone headed “don’t go out if your not going to tip.” argument No it doesn’t. This is a debate about tipping. The participants are servers, customers and x-servers. How much money the resteraunt makes is irrelevant. It does nothing to further your argument. > [@](#): > > Think I’ll be staying home tonight I’m sure all of the servers in your area are relieved. :wally: [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dont-let-your-kids-pay-for-the-delivery-pizza/144384.md?page=18) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dont-let-your-kids-pay-for-the-delivery-pizza/144384.md?page=20)