# Don't Mess With Texas Stupidity: Paul Cameron fucks yet more kids out of foster homes **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 28, 2005, 4:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dont-mess-with-texas-stupidity-paul-cameron-fucks-yet-more-kids-out-of-foster-homes/301495 "2005-04-28T04:17:10Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2005, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dont-mess-with-texas-stupidity-paul-cameron-fucks-yet-more-kids-out-of-foster-homes/301495/21 "2005-04-28T15:29:02Z")
> [@Kearse](#): > > I’ll speak for all Texans on this one when we say Fuck you too. I was with ya right up to the point where you pit the whole state for something an INDIVIDUAL did in the state. Granted people may have voted for the guy, others did not. > > I’ll chalk it up to you being gay. Yeah yeah that’s it, you pissed me off so fuck all the gay people in the world. Makes perfect sense to me. Yeah, I completely agree that > [@Sampiro](#): > > I am completely aware that there are millions of forward thinking, progressive individuals in Texas who are sickened by this and there are many I am sure who may have personal prejudices against gays but are at least not impervious to logic or prey to ideologue rants…The rant applies to those who aren’t progressive, are prone to believe any libel that suits their purposes without need of further investigation and who can unfortunately swing elections and votes on major issues of policy. implied I was pitting the entire state. But on behalf of Alabamians, fags and others in my demographic, I accept your “fuck you” and raise you an “and the mother you rode in on”. ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2005, 3:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dont-mess-with-texas-stupidity-paul-cameron-fucks-yet-more-kids-out-of-foster-homes/301495/22 "2005-04-28T15:35:22Z")
> [@CalMeacham](#): > > But did you ever get your toaster oven? No, you only get that when you’ve converted your third adolescent and or straight guy. (It used to be "when you’ve converted your third straight Protestant minister, but that was way too easy.) There should merit badges for gays: Decorating, Show Tunes, Menage, Foam Party, First-Maternal-Suicide-Threat-over-your-Condition, Flower Arranging, etc… ---
**Author:** ![Electrical\_Storm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ac8455/32.png) [@Electrical\_Storm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Electrical_Storm)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2005, 3:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dont-mess-with-texas-stupidity-paul-cameron-fucks-yet-more-kids-out-of-foster-homes/301495/23 "2005-04-28T15:41:38Z")
I heartily agree with your assessment of Cameron and Talton, and your robust “fuck-you” aimed at the legislature of Texas (such as it were). I didn’t invite these people into my native state of Texas and I want nothing more than to kick them out on their arses. Things were pretty good once, and they’ve literally gone to hell now. I’m so sad to see what’s become of my home state. Texas is now a punchline, and it hurts my heart to see it happen. I’m a minority in my state. A complete anomaly. I lined up to vote even though I knew Dubya had my state lock, stock and barrel. Bastard. He screwed us locally and now screws us worse from afar. I’m just as sick and tired of it as you are. I get to watch it all from a front-row seat, living in the capitol area as I do. I hate seeing in the news how the Texas legislature plans to fuck the non-religious right citizenry that day. I hate the blatant pandering to the religious fanatics who never seem to get enough control to make themselves happy. I hate the obvious corruption at the capitol. They don’t even attempt to put up smokescreens anymore. They pass crappy laws aimed at pleasing their corporate buds and right-wing uber-Christian fanatic voting base, and boy, does it suck the big one. At least we might have a shot in getting one of these fuckers kicked out in 2006. The gubernatorial race is already on for '06 and while I hate to admit there probably won’t be any viable blue or indie contenders, at least the challengers who have already lined up are more moderate - think lesser of the current evil-in-office. Sampiro, I’m with you, really. Honest-to-gosh-darn all, I’m with you. I may be a Texan but that doesn’t mean I cotton to what these jackasses have done and are doing to my state and to the good people in it. See a friendship in our SDMB future? 😃 > [@Sampiro](#): > > The House of Reps in the Land of Dubya has [passed a bill](http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=domesticNews&storyID=8258488) banning gays from being foster parents. I particularly love this comment by the bill’s sponsor, Rep. Robert Talton: > > Ah yeah, I remember my apprenticeship… there weren’t any queers to speak of in Weokahatchee AL of the 1970s (population 10) or even any VCRs, so I had to watch Paul Lynde everyday on _Hollywood Squares_ and, if I was lucky, _Bewitched_ reruns, and if I was really lucky Truman Capote or Gore Vidal would be on Johnny Carson and I could stay up late and watch them. Then finally after 3,000 hours I was eligible for my Junior Sodomite Journeyman license and then when I moved to the Flaming Metropolis of Montgomery at 20 I was finally able to get an internship at the State Florists Association & Waiters Ministry. Finally, after all those years on my knees in study and burning the midnight oil in prayer, I had learned enough to be a Master Fag… thank God for bright pink learning curves. > > Whether this will be passed into law or not is unknown as a few Texas senators have with whatever pollster angels they yet doth serve shied away from it, but I’ve faith that the state that began when a church was militarized to defend the right to steal land, break treaties and own slaves and where Special Olympics medals can be found in death cells will find enough moral righteousness to pass it. > > God I fucking hate [Paul Cameron](http://psychology.ucdavis.edu/rainbow/html/facts_cameron.html) , almost enough to violate the “don’t wish death” commandment on these boards. Listening to the talking brainless heads defending this act on CNN, Fox News, etc., it is so clear that the justification for this is based in his research: claims that “gays are 11 times more likely to sexually abuse children” (actually stated- without cite of course- on a CNN interview- kudos to Jon Stewart for doing what the CNN moderator should have done) or that homosexuality is learned or that gays choose parentage in order to recruit, etc., always lead back to his “How_the_fuck_many_times_does_he_have_to_be_discredited_as_a_partisan_hack_madman_of_no_merit\* > _whatsoever_whose_research_integrity_would_raise_the_last_remaining_eyebrow_hairs_on_the_rotted_corpse_ > of\*[Cyril\*Burt](http://www.indiana.edu/~intell/burtaffair.shtml) _and_the_eyebrow_ashes_of_Julius\*Streicher” publications and claims. The man has been forbidden to practice psychology by the APA, has been exposed as a liar and a perjurer numerous times, and produces “findings” that nobody else, not even the most rabid right wing child psychologist, can seem to duplicate and every credible and objective study seems to completely and thoroughly refute, yet he’s still used to fuck with gay families in courts and legislatures across the nation. When I think about the thousands of kids in Texas who may well soon be returned to “the system”, taken from actual houses and families and put into institutions, because of this man and the pandering pusbags who parrot him I want to puke. > > Fuck stupidity. Fuck Texas. Fuck the religious right. And by “fuck” I mean “complete with water sports and bondage”. I am so fucking tired of this shit that I’m actually saying things like “fucking tired of this shit” and calling it an argument, though I’m sure most Gay Dopers can sympathise. ---
**Author:** ![Ike\_Witt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ike_witt/32/283_2.png) [@Ike\_Witt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ike_Witt)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2005, 3:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dont-mess-with-texas-stupidity-paul-cameron-fucks-yet-more-kids-out-of-foster-homes/301495/24 "2005-04-28T15:55:21Z")
> [@CalMeacham](#): > > But did you ever get your toaster oven? I’m a little confused. I live in Texas and I have a toaster oven however, I am hetro. Where does that put me? I’d like to point out that I am a resident alien so I can’t vote these idiots out of office, and by the same token I didn’t vote them in. ---
**Author:** ![clairobscur](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/839c29/32.png) [@clairobscur](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/clairobscur)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2005, 4:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dont-mess-with-texas-stupidity-paul-cameron-fucks-yet-more-kids-out-of-foster-homes/301495/25 "2005-04-28T16:03:25Z")
Anyway, it absolutely doesn’t matter whether or not a child raised by an homosexual is more likely to become homoseual himself. If we admit that there’s nothing wrong with homosexuality at the first place, then why would it matter if 90% of the kids raised by gays would become gay too? ---
**Author:** ![Metacom](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ecae2f/32.png) [@Metacom](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Metacom)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2005, 4:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dont-mess-with-texas-stupidity-paul-cameron-fucks-yet-more-kids-out-of-foster-homes/301495/26 "2005-04-28T16:13:39Z")
> [@clairobscur](#): > > If we admit that there’s nothing wrong with homosexuality at the first place, then why would it matter if 90% of the kids raised by gays would become gay too? Many people believe there is something wrong with homosexuality, so debunking the “children raised by gays are more likely to be gay” statistic is necessary to get the support of those people who think it’s wrong but don’t think it should be a barrier to adoption. ---
**Author:** ![LouisB](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/dfb087/32.png) [@LouisB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LouisB)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2005, 4:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dont-mess-with-texas-stupidity-paul-cameron-fucks-yet-more-kids-out-of-foster-homes/301495/27 "2005-04-28T16:32:05Z")
I am a recovering Texan who left the hellish place in 1963. I thought then that it was too right-wing, too radical, too racist, too bible-thumping, too hypocritical and much too oppresive for a free thinking individual who saw no reason to discriminate against anyone regardless of race, creed, color, or national origin. It often seems to me that the place has gone downhill since that time. I knew many good people there; people who were kind, decent, and accepting of others. In fact, those people were in the majority among my friends. And yet, Texas continually turns out some of the worst politicians imaginable; who perpetrate some of the worst idiocies imaginable. I’ve concluded that there must be something in the water, or maybe it’s just the heat. ---
**Author:** ![Mockingbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c68b51/32.png) [@Mockingbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mockingbird)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2005, 5:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dont-mess-with-texas-stupidity-paul-cameron-fucks-yet-more-kids-out-of-foster-homes/301495/28 "2005-04-28T17:15:24Z")
> [@kambuckta](#): > > Arghhhhhhhhgedditoffme. I’ve caught The Gay. :eek: > > They all told me it was contagious, but _noooooooooo_, I didn’t believe them. I should’ve known that hanging around here would expose me to the Gay Germ. > > Is there a cure Dr. Mockingbird? > > 😃 Yeah. Take me twice and call me in the late morning for brunch. ---
**Author:** ![Mockingbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c68b51/32.png) [@Mockingbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mockingbird)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2005, 5:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dont-mess-with-texas-stupidity-paul-cameron-fucks-yet-more-kids-out-of-foster-homes/301495/29 "2005-04-28T17:18:01Z")
> [@Kearse](#): > > I’ll speak for all Texans on this one when we say Fuck you too. I was with ya right up to the point where you pit the whole state for something an INDIVIDUAL did in the state. Granted people may have voted for the guy, others did not. > > I’ll chalk it up to you being gay. Yeah yeah that’s it, you pissed me off so fuck all the gay people in the world. Makes perfect sense to me. You live in Texas and are outraged at us instead of your batshit insane and bigoted politicians. Of course it fucking makes sense to you, you fucking tool. ---
**Author:** ![Ike\_Witt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ike_witt/32/283_2.png) [@Ike\_Witt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ike_Witt)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2005, 5:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dont-mess-with-texas-stupidity-paul-cameron-fucks-yet-more-kids-out-of-foster-homes/301495/30 "2005-04-28T17:23:16Z")
> [@Mockingbird](#): > > You live in Texas and are outraged at us instead of your batshit insane and bigoted politicians. > > Of course it fucking makes sense to you, you fucking tool. And you don’t live in Texas and yet you are outraged at us instead our batshit, insane and bigoted politicians. I guess it makes perfect sense to you, you fucking tool. ---
**Author:** ![Mockingbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c68b51/32.png) [@Mockingbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mockingbird)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2005, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dont-mess-with-texas-stupidity-paul-cameron-fucks-yet-more-kids-out-of-foster-homes/301495/31 "2005-04-28T17:34:29Z")
> [@adam yax](#): > > And you don’t live in Texas and yet you are outraged at us instead our batshit, insane and bigoted politicians. > > I guess it makes perfect sense to you, you fucking tool. I never said I was outraged at the populace, you incorrectly inferred that. Of course, with a state that wontonly controls textbooks to reflect whatever insanity they want to foist upon the populace, it’s not surprising that your reasoning skills are faulty. On the other hand, many Texans put Cameron and his bigoted ilk there. They do deserve equal ire. ---
**Author:** ![jlzania](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/67e7ee/32.png) [@jlzania](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jlzania)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2005, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dont-mess-with-texas-stupidity-paul-cameron-fucks-yet-more-kids-out-of-foster-homes/301495/32 "2005-04-28T17:34:38Z")
I’ve lived in Texas for over 20 years and I’m equally outraged. I’ve fired over letters to my representatives to let them know how disgusted I am by this legislation. However, like **adam yax** I wish that some of y’alls collective ire was directed at our batshit crazy politicians instead of all the citizens of the state. I know that I personally didn’t vote for any of them and will do everything within my power to remove them from office come 2006. ---
**Author:** ![Ike\_Witt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ike_witt/32/283_2.png) [@Ike\_Witt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ike_Witt)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2005, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dont-mess-with-texas-stupidity-paul-cameron-fucks-yet-more-kids-out-of-foster-homes/301495/33 "2005-04-28T17:44:27Z")
> [@Mockingbird](#): > > Of course, with a state that wontonly controls textbooks to reflect whatever insanity they want to foist upon the populace, it’s not surprising that your reasoning skills are faulty. And a really hearty fuck you on this. I am not from Texas. I just live here. And maybe you should take a closer look at your own reasoning skillz. You responded to **Kearse** - to a post he directed at **Sampiro** because **Sampiro** had basically gone after the whole state. ---
**Author:** ![Mockingbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c68b51/32.png) [@Mockingbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mockingbird)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2005, 6:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dont-mess-with-texas-stupidity-paul-cameron-fucks-yet-more-kids-out-of-foster-homes/301495/34 "2005-04-28T18:16:08Z")
> [@adam yax](#): > > And a really hearty fuck you on this. I am not from Texas. I just live here. > > And maybe you should take a closer look at your own reasoning skillz. You responded to **Kearse** - to a post he directed at **Sampiro** because **Sampiro** had basically gone after the whole state. So, you are choosing to be an idiot and interpret things so you can be offended. Then go fuck yourself. There, that way you can feel directly offended rather than being offended by reflected fury. ---
**Author:** ![Ike\_Witt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ike_witt/32/283_2.png) [@Ike\_Witt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ike_Witt)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2005, 6:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dont-mess-with-texas-stupidity-paul-cameron-fucks-yet-more-kids-out-of-foster-homes/301495/35 "2005-04-28T18:47:17Z")
> [@Mockingbird](#): > > So, you are choosing to be an idiot and interpret things so you can be offended. No shitforbrains - I am choosing to do to you what you have done to **Kearse**. Tell me **Mockingbird** , how much time have you actually spent in Texas? How much do you really know about about people who live here? Other than the fact that this state produces more than its fair share of idiot politicians it seems you know nothing about the decent folks who are outraged by this or who are, for the most part are charitable and friendly. I also think you don’t care. After all it is easier for you when you only have to carry that one jumbo sized brush, isn’t it? ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2005, 6:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dont-mess-with-texas-stupidity-paul-cameron-fucks-yet-more-kids-out-of-foster-homes/301495/36 "2005-04-28T18:51:47Z")
> [@adam yax](#): > > After all it is easier for you when you only have to carry that one jumbo sized brush, isn’t it? Don’t be silly! He also has to carry that giant chip on his shoulder. Balances out the weight of the brush on the other side, ya know… ---
**Author:** ![Paul\_in\_Qatar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ccd318/32.png) [@Paul\_in\_Qatar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Paul_in_Qatar)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2005, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dont-mess-with-texas-stupidity-paul-cameron-fucks-yet-more-kids-out-of-foster-homes/301495/37 "2005-04-28T18:52:55Z")
> [@Sampiro](#): > > No, you only get that when you’ve converted your third adolescent and or straight guy. (It used to be "when you’ve converted your third straight Protestant minister, but that was way too easy.) > > There should merit badges for gays: Decorating, Show Tunes, Menage, **Foam Party** , First-Maternal-Suicide-Threat-over-your-Condition, Flower Arranging, etc… I sort of want to know what a Foam Party might be, but I am sort of afraid to Google it. 😕 ---
**Author:** ![matt\_mcl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7ab992/32.png) [@matt\_mcl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/matt_mcl)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2005, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dont-mess-with-texas-stupidity-paul-cameron-fucks-yet-more-kids-out-of-foster-homes/301495/38 "2005-04-28T19:03:22Z")
A foam party is where you close off a room at a discotheque, wheel in a big soap-bubble canon, fill the room to chest depth with foam, put on loud techno music, and invite in a whole passel of gay men in bathing suits or less. ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2005, 7:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dont-mess-with-texas-stupidity-paul-cameron-fucks-yet-more-kids-out-of-foster-homes/301495/39 "2005-04-28T19:07:18Z")
> [@LouisB](#): > > I am a recovering Texan who left the hellish place in 1963. I won’t ask exactly what happened in 1963 that made you think it might be a good time to leave Texas (though I will ask if you ever see your [fellow hobos](http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/3tramps.htm)?). ---
**Author:** ![Paul\_in\_Qatar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ccd318/32.png) [@Paul\_in\_Qatar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Paul_in_Qatar)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2005, 7:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dont-mess-with-texas-stupidity-paul-cameron-fucks-yet-more-kids-out-of-foster-homes/301495/40 "2005-04-28T19:09:10Z")
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