# Don't you hate repetitious redundancies? (Very mild rant) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 29, 2004, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dont-you-hate-repetitious-redundancies-very-mild-rant/271914 "2004-10-29T20:03:58Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Dunderman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ecb155/32.png) [@Dunderman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dunderman)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2004, 1:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dont-you-hate-repetitious-redundancies-very-mild-rant/271914/21 "2004-10-30T13:20:48Z")
> [@Liberal](#): > > The claim isn’t about the razor; it’s about the shave. So, it’s a closer shave than all other razors. I know that’s what they mean, but that’s not what they’re saying. They should say “no other razor gives you a shave as close as the one XXXXX gives you” or “no razor gives you a closer shave than XXXXX”. Adding “other” makes no sense. ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2004, 1:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dont-you-hate-repetitious-redundancies-very-mild-rant/271914/22 "2004-10-30T13:24:08Z")
:smack: Ah! You were going after the redundancy. I apologize. ---
**Author:** ![Sample\_the\_Dog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/8797f3/32.png) [@Sample\_the\_Dog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sample_the_Dog)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2004, 1:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dont-you-hate-repetitious-redundancies-very-mild-rant/271914/23 "2004-10-30T13:30:47Z")
The local paper recently ran a story that a “coffee cafe” has opened here in town. I wonder if they’re open at 6 a.m. in the morning. Hopefully, they’ll serve a tasty salsa sauce, or at least a decent rice pilaf. If not, they may just become past history. ---
**Author:** ![Sample\_the\_Dog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/8797f3/32.png) [@Sample\_the\_Dog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sample_the_Dog)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2004, 1:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dont-you-hate-repetitious-redundancies-very-mild-rant/271914/24 "2004-10-30T13:56:18Z")
This is the honest truth. A personal friend of mine was driving his vehicle on a local road here in town, on his way to get some new replacement parts for his hot water heater. Well, you see, he was looking at a brand new wall mural (they’re a passing fad around here) and just simply didn’t notice the lanes were merging together. And also, on this particular day, it was raining outside. Of course, naturally, he has an unintentional accident. And lo and behold, each and every person in the other car was a convicted felon! Well, he gets into an oral conversation with these complete and total strangers, and this one individual claims he should have made a complete stop. Then, with no advance warning, they surround him on all sides and start hitting him with closed fists! He begged and pleaded with them to cease and desist. What other alternative did he have? But that did no good at all, and the end result was exactly the same as if he’d said absolutely nothing. A crowd gathered together, then one guy hollers loudly, “The cops, the cops!” The final outcome still remains to be seen. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Blue\_Sky](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d26b3c/32.png) [@Mr.Blue\_Sky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Blue_Sky)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2004, 2:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dont-you-hate-repetitious-redundancies-very-mild-rant/271914/25 "2004-10-30T14:14:54Z")
Just heard on a DIY Network car show: “Look for the VIN number.” ---
**Author:** ![tnetennba](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7993a0/32.png) [@tnetennba](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tnetennba)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2004, 2:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dont-you-hate-repetitious-redundancies-very-mild-rant/271914/26 "2004-10-30T14:33:59Z")
To answer the question: I loath and detest them. ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2004, 2:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dont-you-hate-repetitious-redundancies-very-mild-rant/271914/27 "2004-10-30T14:43:45Z")
> [@Sample\_the\_Dog](#): > > This is the honest truth. A personal friend of mine was driving his vehicle on a local road here in town, on his way to get some new replacement parts for his hot water heater. Well, you see, he was looking at a brand new wall mural (they’re a passing fad around here) and just simply didn’t notice the lanes were merging together. And also, on this particular day, it was raining outside. Of course, naturally, he has an unintentional accident. And lo and behold, each and every person in the other car was a convicted felon! Well, he gets into an oral conversation with these complete and total strangers, and this one individual claims he should have made a complete stop. Then, with no advance warning, they surround him on all sides and start hitting him with closed fists! He begged and pleaded with them to cease and desist. What other alternative did he have? But that did no good at all, and the end result was exactly the same as if he’d said absolutely nothing. A crowd gathered together, then one guy hollers loudly, “The cops, the cops!” The final outcome still remains to be seen. I’m surrounded on all sides. Please cease and desist! ---
**Author:** ![Sample\_the\_Dog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/8797f3/32.png) [@Sample\_the\_Dog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sample_the_Dog)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2004, 5:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dont-you-hate-repetitious-redundancies-very-mild-rant/271914/28 "2004-10-30T17:48:52Z")
> [@Liberal](#): > > I’m surrounded on all sides. Please cease and desist! Wait, hold on. This is not over and done with. What I forgot to remember to tell you about was, this one woman who was up on top of the car screaming and yelling at the crowd of people down below who started aiding and abetting the vicious thugs. It was so incredible you just wouldn’t believe it! I couldn’t hardly myself, and I was there on the scene right then at that moment. I almost felt like that I was imagining something that wasn’t real! I had to pinch my own arm to be really certain it was actually true. I thought, if they continue on like they are doing, there’ll be nothing left remaining of him. And he is totally and utterly innocent as a little baby! Well, after going to the hospital emergency room, they put him in a semi-private room with another patient under care. He just recently got out, and he now has visible scars on the outside of his skin all up and down his two arms. He’ll probably have them forever and ever. I personally believe that what we ourselves need is something like some kind of organized system to stop this sort of mob riot from ever happening again in the future. ---
**Author:** ![Ignatz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/3be4f8/32.png) [@Ignatz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ignatz)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2004, 7:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dont-you-hate-repetitious-redundancies-very-mild-rant/271914/29 "2004-10-30T19:44:51Z")
Gee, I thought I was the only one who cared about such stuff to gripe about it. I think the positngs just about covered the full gamut. In a similar vein, how about “very unique” and “up to 50% off and more”? ---
**Author:** ![danceswithcats](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/9e8a1a/32.png) [@danceswithcats](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/danceswithcats)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2004, 7:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dont-you-hate-repetitious-redundancies-very-mild-rant/271914/30 "2004-10-30T19:55:13Z")
It took PA a few years to correct, but when they first sent me my commercial drivers license, CDL License was printed across the top. :rolleyes: “New and improved” doesn’t make any friggin sense. If it’s new, fine. If it’s improved, then there was an earlier version to which improvements were made. It can’t be both. ---
**Author:** ![Mighty\_Girl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7bcc69/32.png) [@Mighty\_Girl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mighty_Girl)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2004, 10:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dont-you-hate-repetitious-redundancies-very-mild-rant/271914/31 "2004-10-30T22:21:58Z")
> [@danceswithcats](#): > > “New and improved” doesn’t make any friggin sense. If it’s new, fine. If it’s improved, then there was an earlier version to which improvements were made. It can’t be both. Maybe they mean to convey ‘recently improved’. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![ouryL](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ouryl/32/6067_2.png) [@ouryL](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ouryL)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2004, 9:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dont-you-hate-repetitious-redundancies-very-mild-rant/271914/32 "2004-10-31T21:30:25Z")
> [@Mighty\_Girl](#): > > Maybe they mean to convey ‘recently improved’. > 🙂 I believe understand that redundancy/reduplication is a function of intensity or emphasize. Asking for the PIN number heads off brainfarts. ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2004, 10:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dont-you-hate-repetitious-redundancies-very-mild-rant/271914/33 "2004-11-01T10:11:06Z")
> [@Mighty\_Girl](#): > > Maybe they mean to convey ‘recently improved’. > 🙂 That would require the need for an adverb. ---
**Author:** ![Mighty\_Girl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7bcc69/32.png) [@Mighty\_Girl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mighty_Girl)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2004, 2:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dont-you-hate-repetitious-redundancies-very-mild-rant/271914/34 "2004-11-01T14:24:11Z")
> [@Liberal](#): > > That would require the need for an adverb. I concur in agreement with you. ---
**Author:** ![racinchikki](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/eada6e/32.png) [@racinchikki](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/racinchikki)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2004, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dont-you-hate-repetitious-redundancies-very-mild-rant/271914/35 "2004-11-01T15:29:29Z")
> [@blowero](#): > > Not redundant per se, but certainly superfluous, is the claim that “We’ll beat anyone’s price, or it’s free.” I find it highly unlikely that they would go for the latter option, so it’s really equivalent to merely saying, “We’ll beat anyone’s price.” Seriously. “That’ll be $5.” “Cheapco up the street has it for $3.” “Oh no! I couldn’t possibly give it to you for any cheaper than $5. Therefore, I will give it to you free!” WTF? ---
**Author:** ![danceswithcats](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/9e8a1a/32.png) [@danceswithcats](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/danceswithcats)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2004, 7:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dont-you-hate-repetitious-redundancies-very-mild-rant/271914/36 "2004-11-01T19:58:22Z")
As if we need another reason to dislike automobile commercials: Certified Pre-Owned cars. When you _buy_ a car, that means someone had to\* sell\* it to you, which makes them either (a) the owner, or (b) an agent of the owner. Therefore, the factory assembling the vehicle is the original owner, so cut the shit and just say “New” or “Used”. Sheesh. ---
**Author:** ![Largo62](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/45deac/32.png) [@Largo62](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Largo62)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2004, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dont-you-hate-repetitious-redundancies-very-mild-rant/271914/37 "2004-11-01T20:11:53Z")
> [@racinchikki](#): > > Seriously. > “That’ll be $5.” > “Cheapco up the street has it for $3.” > “Oh no! I couldn’t possibly give it to you for any cheaper than $5. Therefore, I will give it to you free!” > WTF? Okay, $2.99. There! I’ve beaten the competition! ---
**Author:** ![Charlie\_Tan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/charlie_tan/32/12582_2.png) [@Charlie\_Tan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Charlie_Tan)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2004, 12:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dont-you-hate-repetitious-redundancies-very-mild-rant/271914/38 "2004-11-02T00:11:10Z")
What about redundant repetitions? What? ---
**Author:** ![OldBroad](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/ed655f/32.png) [@OldBroad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OldBroad)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2004, 4:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dont-you-hate-repetitious-redundancies-very-mild-rant/271914/39 "2004-11-02T16:36:34Z")
The only one that bothers me is _true fact_. For some reason I can ignore most others and listen/read for the message rather than the delivery. Love **Sample\_the\_Dog** ’s posts in this thread. Great glurge. ---
**Author:** ![tdn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/94ad74/32.png) [@tdn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tdn)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2004, 4:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dont-you-hate-repetitious-redundancies-very-mild-rant/271914/40 "2004-11-02T16:52:47Z")
> [@Ponder Stibbons](#): > > Well, see the problem is the alternative is to say “Please enter your PI Number” and then you’d have people entering 3.1415926535897932384626433832795 all the time … 🆒 And if they said “Please enter your PIN”, people would try shoving thin pointy cylindars of stainless steel into the card reader. They say “PIN number” to head off various acts of stupid idiocy. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dont-you-hate-repetitious-redundancies-very-mild-rant/271914.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dont-you-hate-repetitious-redundancies-very-mild-rant/271914.md?page=3)