# Don't you think Obama is making a huge mistake in pissing off all the wrong people? **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [May 14, 2013, 4:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dont-you-think-obama-is-making-a-huge-mistake-in-pissing-off-all-the-wrong-people/658296 "2013-05-14T04:33:02Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2013, 1:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dont-you-think-obama-is-making-a-huge-mistake-in-pissing-off-all-the-wrong-people/658296/21 "2013-05-15T01:30:34Z")
> [@brownie55](#): > > You think that conservatives reelected him? Well, thank Og you don’t need to worship who you vote for. ---
**Author:** ![Leaper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/4bbf92/32.png) [@Leaper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaper)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2013, 4:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dont-you-think-obama-is-making-a-huge-mistake-in-pissing-off-all-the-wrong-people/658296/22 "2013-05-15T16:16:27Z")
> [@Koxinga](#): > > :shrug: Knock yourself out; don’t know what that has to do with the topic at hand, though. I was expressing skepticism that it was possible to disclaim a point of view for an entire group by demonstrating that a small number of members of that group disagree. I know the post you were responding to implied monolith-ness, but I don’t agree with the implications of the way you responded either. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2013, 1:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dont-you-think-obama-is-making-a-huge-mistake-in-pissing-off-all-the-wrong-people/658296/23 "2013-05-16T01:26:01Z")
You realize, **Koxinga** , that your very first cite itself acknowledges that conservatives are, in general, monolithic in support of their own. ---
**Author:** ![Flyer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/flyer/32/7298_2.png) [@Flyer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Flyer)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2013, 6:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dont-you-think-obama-is-making-a-huge-mistake-in-pissing-off-all-the-wrong-people/658296/24 "2013-05-16T06:37:46Z")
I think that Obama is remarkably like President Grant–personally ethical, but shows amazingly poor judgment in choosing his associates and assistants. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2013, 8:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dont-you-think-obama-is-making-a-huge-mistake-in-pissing-off-all-the-wrong-people/658296/25 "2013-05-16T08:05:15Z")
> [@brownie55](#): > > You think that conservatives reelected him? Do you think that liberals _like_ him? They don’t. The Republicans just keep making it clear that a liberal voting for them is an act of lunacy, regardless of how much they dislike the Democrats. ---
**Author:** ![Koxinga](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/4af34b/32.png) [@Koxinga](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Koxinga)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2013, 8:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dont-you-think-obama-is-making-a-huge-mistake-in-pissing-off-all-the-wrong-people/658296/26 "2013-05-16T08:11:58Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > You realize, **Koxinga** , that your very first cite itself acknowledges that conservatives are, in general, monolithic in support of their own. Not really. > [@](#): > > I think many conservatives knew as well as I did that Bush is no conservative. While the tax cuts were supported by most of them, they also knew that Bush allowed spending to explode and that this would eventually lead to tax increases. Others were disturbed by Bush’s signing of an unconstitutional campaign-finance bill, the growth of government regulation, and failure to do anything about illegal immigration. > > But these conservatives thought that the war on terror and the opportunity to get judicial conservatives on the courts trumped. However, continuing problems in Iraq together with growing reports that the evidence of WMD was weak or nonexistent before the war weighed heavily on even the most hawkish conservatives. > > When Bush nominated a woefully unqualified crony to the most important of all court appointments, conservative doubts about Bush that had been held in check by 9/11, the war, and the election suddenly exploded. Virtually the entire conservative intelligentsia turned against Bush overnight. The White House foolishly fed this revolt by attacking conservative critics for elitism and sexism. Bush would have been in far worse shape politically if the conservative wing of the Republican Party had a leader who could articulate a respectful critique. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2013, 2:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dont-you-think-obama-is-making-a-huge-mistake-in-pissing-off-all-the-wrong-people/658296/27 "2013-05-16T14:05:29Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > Do you think that liberals _like_ him? They don’t. [Indeed.](http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Essay:Is_Obama_really_a_lefty%3F) ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2013, 3:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dont-you-think-obama-is-making-a-huge-mistake-in-pissing-off-all-the-wrong-people/658296/28 "2013-05-16T15:32:42Z")
**Koxinga** , did you notice the _title_ of that piece? ---
**Author:** ![Koxinga](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/4af34b/32.png) [@Koxinga](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Koxinga)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2013, 4:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dont-you-think-obama-is-making-a-huge-mistake-in-pissing-off-all-the-wrong-people/658296/29 "2013-05-16T16:10:17Z")
Uh, yeah, and then I read the rest of it? ---
**Author:** ![Bridget\_Burke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7cd45c/32.png) [@Bridget\_Burke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bridget_Burke)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2013, 4:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dont-you-think-obama-is-making-a-huge-mistake-in-pissing-off-all-the-wrong-people/658296/30 "2013-05-16T16:29:58Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > Do you think that liberals _like_ him? They don’t. The Republicans just keep making it clear that a liberal voting for them is an act of lunacy, regardless of how much they dislike the Democrats. Really. Here in Texas, every time Governor Rick or Ted Cruz opens his mouth, all the Yellow Dog Democrats have our convictions renewed. Still a minority but demographics are on our side… And both those Republican prizes have hinted they’ll be in the running for President again, next time! Lots of great publicity for the GOP! ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2013, 6:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dont-you-think-obama-is-making-a-huge-mistake-in-pissing-off-all-the-wrong-people/658296/31 "2013-05-16T18:56:05Z")
> [@Gagundathar](#): > > **Oakminster** has good points here. > Precisely how is Mr. Obama damaging the Democratic Party? Certainly he is much more authoritarian than I thought he was going to be, but given his opponents, he appeared to be the lesser of two evils. Perhaps, just perhaps, the public will become more savvy about all of this and vote for people who are not just the lesser evil, but a positive good. Hah. Sorry. Didn’t mean to make everyone roll their eyes. Well, he is reviving some issues that had been long settled and were bringing some midwestern states back into the blue column, then he started grabbing at their guns. Gun rights have become a partisan issue mostly at the insistence of the Democrats. > [@Flyer](#): > > I think that Obama is remarkably like President Grant–personally ethical, but shows amazingly poor judgment in choosing his associates and assistants. Well at least Grant picked a good Secretary of the Treasury to stop the bankers from plundering the nation. > [@Bridget\_Burke](#): > > Really. Here in Texas, every time Governor Rick or Ted Cruz opens his mouth, all the Yellow Dog Democrats have our convictions renewed. Still a minority but demographics are on our side… > > And both those Republican prizes have hinted they’ll be in the running for President again, next time! Lots of great publicity for the GOP! Ted Cruz is crazy but he seems smart. Rick Perry is stupid but he seems amiable. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2013, 7:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dont-you-think-obama-is-making-a-huge-mistake-in-pissing-off-all-the-wrong-people/658296/32 "2013-05-16T19:05:43Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > You realize, **Koxinga** , that your very first cite itself acknowledges that conservatives are, in general, monolithic in support of their own. N.B.: That link is from _The American Conservative,_ a Buchananite-paleocon magazine, representing a political camp that does **not** always approve of the GOP. ---
**Author:** ![babygoat666](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/2acd7d/32.png) [@babygoat666](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/babygoat666)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2013, 9:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dont-you-think-obama-is-making-a-huge-mistake-in-pissing-off-all-the-wrong-people/658296/33 "2013-05-16T21:14:18Z")
Your Washington Times opinion link (from October 2012) contains the following gem: _Last week, Mr. Obama told another bald-faced lie when he declared at the presidential debate that he had termed the attack “terrorist” in a Rose Garden address the next day. He did no such thing; in fact, the White House and State Department took nearly two weeks to acknowledge it was a terrorist attack (all the while pushing the spontaneous protest and video canards)._ Opinion indeed. You are embarrassing yourself. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2013, 9:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dont-you-think-obama-is-making-a-huge-mistake-in-pissing-off-all-the-wrong-people/658296/34 "2013-05-16T21:56:31Z")
> [@babygoat666](#): > > Your Washington Times opinion link (from October 2012) contains the following gem: > > _Last week, Mr. Obama told another bald-faced lie when he declared at the presidential debate that he had termed the attack “terrorist” in a Rose Garden address the next day. He did no such thing; in fact, the White House and State Department took nearly two weeks to acknowledge it was a terrorist attack (all the while pushing the spontaneous protest and video canards)._ > > Opinion indeed. You are embarrassing yourself. Well, it’s the Moonie Times…just using it as a source should be considered self-embarrassment. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2013, 12:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dont-you-think-obama-is-making-a-huge-mistake-in-pissing-off-all-the-wrong-people/658296/35 "2013-05-17T00:58:45Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > Do you think that liberals _like_ him? They don’t. The Republicans just keep making it clear that a liberal voting for them is an act of lunacy, regardless of how much they dislike the Democrats. Which is why i vote for Democrats who pander to me instead of you about a third of the time. By doing that, it gives my side control of one party, control of part of the other party, and leaves you with nothing. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2013, 1:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dont-you-think-obama-is-making-a-huge-mistake-in-pissing-off-all-the-wrong-people/658296/36 "2013-05-17T01:05:25Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Which is why i vote for Democrats who pander to me instead of you about a third of the time. By doing that, it gives my side control of one party, control of part of the other party, and leaves you with nothing. More likely it means your vote is wasted a lot. And that thought does me a kindness. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2013, 1:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dont-you-think-obama-is-making-a-huge-mistake-in-pissing-off-all-the-wrong-people/658296/37 "2013-05-17T01:07:52Z")
Hardly. I’m a coveted swing voter. You just get taken for granted. Ever heard of “hippie punching”? Democrats do that a lot and they do it for my benefit. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2013, 1:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dont-you-think-obama-is-making-a-huge-mistake-in-pissing-off-all-the-wrong-people/658296/38 "2013-05-17T01:12:59Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Hardly. I’m a coveted swing voter. You just get taken for granted. Ever heard of “hippie punching”? Democrats do that a lot and they do it for my benefit. You may be a swing voter, but you’re also a hard right ideologue. Or at least you act like one. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2013, 1:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dont-you-think-obama-is-making-a-huge-mistake-in-pissing-off-all-the-wrong-people/658296/39 "2013-05-17T01:16:15Z")
I am on economic issues, sure. But I also know that the Republicans run a lot of horrible candidates and many of them aren’t focused on my issues, instead choosing to run on a religious right agenda. That’s when Democrats can win my vote, and they often do. When you only vote for one party no matter what, your vote doesn’t count. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2013, 1:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dont-you-think-obama-is-making-a-huge-mistake-in-pissing-off-all-the-wrong-people/658296/40 "2013-05-17T01:20:40Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > When you only vote for one party no matter what, your vote doesn’t count. That’s totally wrong, although some of the problems the Republicans have had lately do stem from that kind of thinking. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dont-you-think-obama-is-making-a-huge-mistake-in-pissing-off-all-the-wrong-people/658296.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dont-you-think-obama-is-making-a-huge-mistake-in-pissing-off-all-the-wrong-people/658296.md?page=3)