# DOOM - any suggestions for a current replacement **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [June 30, 2001, 2:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doom-any-suggestions-for-a-current-replacement/70728 "2001-06-30T14:37:38Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 10\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Drastic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Drastic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drastic)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2001, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doom-any-suggestions-for-a-current-replacement/70728/41 "2001-07-05T19:45:57Z")
Actually, it’s not bad over 56K, as long as it’s a direct connection to the IP of a friend with broadband. [Battle.Net](http://Battle.Net) is hopeless for it, though. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2001, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doom-any-suggestions-for-a-current-replacement/70728/42 "2001-07-05T20:07:44Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Munch \* > \*\*Jeff, if you’re going to argue replayability, I’m going to have to insist that you hit my links! 🙂 \*\* I did hit your links. Those same variants can apply to D2 as well, so why limit them to D1? Other than the fact you prefer D1. > [@](#): > > \*\* > And I remembered another aspect of D2 that could use some reworking. If in 3 years Blizzard goes under, what happens to your character? That’s right, its gone. Because its kept server-side, not on your computer. And have you ever tried to play D2 on a 56k? Good lord! The lag is ridiculous. \*\* Nope, BNet can go both ways. Blizzard just hasn’t said much about using open characters. And yes, I have been on BNet with a 56K. Lag wasn’t much of a problem because I wasn’t playing as part of a large group. ---
**Author:** ![Mekhazzio](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b38774/32.png) [@Mekhazzio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mekhazzio)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2001, 8:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doom-any-suggestions-for-a-current-replacement/70728/43 "2001-07-06T08:11:04Z")
I have truly seen everything now. People debating about which Diablo game is more “strategic”. What’s next? Arguing about the educational merits of the WWF vs the WCW? ---
**Author:** ![Esprix](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/esprix/32/7899_2.png) [@Esprix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Esprix)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2001, 8:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doom-any-suggestions-for-a-current-replacement/70728/44 "2001-07-06T08:23:43Z")
Try the old tried and true **Postal**. I also chime in with **Serious Sam** - just got the demo. Woo hoo! Pity you don’t have a Macintosh or I’d highly recommend the three **Marathon** games. And if you can find it - **Alien Vs. Predator**. FREAKY, but a great game. Esprix ---
**Author:** ![SPOOFE](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c5a1d2/32.png) [@SPOOFE](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SPOOFE)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2001, 9:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doom-any-suggestions-for-a-current-replacement/70728/45 "2001-07-06T09:03:22Z")
> [@](#): > > D2 is a incredible test in who can click their mouse the fastest. Uh… are you SURE you’ve played Diablo 2? Because it sounds like you’re describing the first one here. > [@](#): > > …but there is an incredible opportunity for using actual strategy in D1 compared to D2. So are you suggesting that “actual strategy” doesn’t come into play with Diablo II? Jeezum Crow, I am REALLY doubting that you’ve ever played the game beyond the first quest. > [@](#): > > there are a handful of players who have beaten D1 (Hell difficulty) as Shiny No-MS Beyond Naked Mages. In other words, they don all the +light radius gear they can find, all the other mods they wear have to be cursed (can’t get those in D2), and they don’t use Mana Shield. So… your definition of strategy is to NOT use the items or spells that you come across in the course of the game. You ARE aware that you can choose to not equip items or cast spells in D2, as well, right? > [@](#): > > Just because a game LOOKS better doesn’t make it better. I did NOT say that. I added graphics quality as just ONE of MANY things that Blizzard improved upon. In addition to the better graphics, there are MORE effects in the game, resulting in a much more diverse environment. > [@](#): > > D1 has a much better story, much better music, and is much more difficult than D2. Better story? It’s the SAME story. Just continued. That’s like saying “A New Hope had a better story than Return Of The Jedi”. Better music? Sounds like the same quality of music to me. Just because it’s DIFFERENT… heck, they even use some of the same music in Diablo 2. Much more difficult? This is open to debate. Sure, there was less diversity in control, but to me, the difficulty of the game seemed to rely entirely on your luck in finding items. A single Ring Of The Zodiac can mean the difference between “suckiness” and “excellent”. > [@](#): > > Just because D2 is longer doesn’t make up for its faults. And what faults would those be, hmm? The ability to - gasp! - _run_? Or maybe - gasp! - a different means of acquiring skills and abilities? Or maybe - gasp! - the mana regeneration? > [@](#): > > However, check out this site for a list of D1 variants, and let me know if you still think D1 doesn’t have variability beyond buying books. ::sigh:: And you think there aren’t mods for Diablo 2? > [@](#): > > How many enemies do you run away from that can kill you in D2? Just about EVERYTHING beyond Normal mode. Hell, a single Fallen is dangerous on Hell mode. Munch, I am seriously doubting that you’ve played Diablo II for any significant amount of time. ::grumble grumble:: Damn fanatics… ::grumble grumble:: ---
**Author:** ![BooBoo316](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e0b2c6/32.png) [@BooBoo316](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BooBoo316)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2001, 9:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doom-any-suggestions-for-a-current-replacement/70728/46 "2001-07-06T09:22:18Z")
Wow. I didn’t look at this thread for a few days. I decided to check to maybe get some ideas for a new game to play and find I’ve walked into some kind of Diablo II fanboy deathmatch. At least no one brought up Baldur’s Gate II and how much better it is than Diablo II. [sub]Oops[/sub] ---
**Author:** ![hardcore](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/b5a626/32.png) [@hardcore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hardcore)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2001, 7:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doom-any-suggestions-for-a-current-replacement/70728/47 "2001-07-06T19:23:36Z")
Put me squarely in the camp that believes Diablo2 is a better game than Diablo1. Having played both extensively, I found D2 to be much tougher, therefore requiring more “strategy” and thinking to plan my attack, especially when bosses are involved. Of course, all of this is contigent on being in Hell mode, as almost any strategy will suffice for Normal and most of Nightmare. Either game should serve as an adequate Doom replacement. But generally speaking, computer games are just the opposite of Hollywood – the sequel is almost always better than the original. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2001, 8:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doom-any-suggestions-for-a-current-replacement/70728/48 "2001-07-06T20:45:00Z")
FTR, once I finish my current games, I’ll try to adapt those variants to D2 rules. And stay away from Wizards & Warriors like it’s the plague! Three years in development and they couldn’t find a better interface? Ridiculous! Glad I bought it from a store that accepts returns. ---
**Author:** ![kgriffey79](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/2bfe46/32.png) [@kgriffey79](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kgriffey79)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2001, 12:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doom-any-suggestions-for-a-current-replacement/70728/49 "2001-07-07T00:38:49Z")
Team Fortress 2 is out WTF?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?! ---
**Author:** ![JDeMobray](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/85e7bf/32.png) [@JDeMobray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JDeMobray)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2001, 2:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doom-any-suggestions-for-a-current-replacement/70728/50 "2001-07-07T02:39:17Z")
**Lord of Destruction** , the Diablo II expansion, owns btw. If you enjoyed Diablo II at all this pack can only improve your enjoyment. (A word of warning, Act V has a monster that will make you _beg_ to go back to Kurast and fight Fetishes.) Re: The Debate, I really never got into Diablo I when it was new and only played it at all as sort of a retro-kick I got on late last year. Eh . . . it was decent, but I wouldn’t say harder. It had a different sort of challenge. Planning your skill points in Diablo II, in my opinion, is a real challenge. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doom-any-suggestions-for-a-current-replacement/70728.md?page=2)