Doper BMI (Body Mass Index)

I think of it like this. I’ll make an exception for people who have BMI in Obesity Class II and up - they are relatively rare, and it’s true that most have very high body fat.
But take 5 normal Americans with BMIs of 16, 20, 23, 26, and 33. It’s a fairly safe assumption that the three with the lowest BMI have less body fat than the ‘obese’ person, but that’s all I think is reasonable to infer. The following examples are all based on people I have known.

The person with a BMI of 16 could have a small frame, be completely sendentary, have very little muscle mass, a normal fat percentage, and eat large amounts of junk food (this was me until a couple years ago) - she needs to eat plenty of protein, exercise, and mostly needs to build muscle.

The girl with a healthy and slim BMI of 20 could be struggling with severe anorexia and bulimia - she needs to stop starving/binging/purging/overexercising and putting such a strain on her body that she is fainting regularly, her teeth are being damaged, she is at risk of organ failure and heart problems, and hasn’t had a period in 4 years (this was my good friend in high school). Turns out her body fat is quite low, she gains about 15 lbs much-needed pounds after her recovery.

The person with BMI 23 could be an inactive person who eats whatever he wants without getting fat, but he has a relatively high body fat percentage and a beer belly - he needs to eat better, exercise, build muscle, and lose at least 5% of his body fat for his health’s sake (see many of the nerdy men I know).

The person with BMI 26 could be a competative cyclist with an ‘athletic’ body fat percentage - she doesn’t need to lose any weight at all, if she does some of it will be muscle (another friend of mine - she has a sturdy frame and large muscular legs).

And let’s say the person with the BMI of 33 is your typical obese person (IMO) who used to be slimmer but doesn’t exercise very regularly and eats plenty, therefore has seen a steady weight gain over the years and has a high body fat percentage. He needs to exercise more, eat less and maybe better food, and lose quite a bit of body fat. However, he is 6’4" with arms like a lumberjack, and during the years he played college basketball when he was young, very fit and lean he never had a BMI of less than 27, so while he knows he needs to lose weight he rightly thinks his doctor’s insistance that he should lose weight until his BMI is less than 25 is impossible, even if he was able to play ball for 5 hours a day again (this is my boss). His body fat percentage is what he should be aiming to reduce, and once it’s in a healthy range it doesn’t matter what his total weight is.

All of these people should receive completely different medical advice, but calculating their BMI doesn’t tell their doctors what it should be. This is why I think BMI is pretty useless for most people.

When I calculate my BMI, it doesn’t say “overweight” or “obese”, it says “dead. Seriously, how the hell are you even reading this right now? Either get to a hospital immediately, or just lie down and wait for the meatwagon. Nice knowing you, fatass.”

And the thing is I’m so totally not. I’m in pretty good physical shape, actually, the best I’ve ever been in. So I have to discount the BMI as something that is meaningless for me and those of my body type. What else am I supposed to do? If I were the perfect weight according to the BMI chart, I would not look right at all.

24.1, but actually I’m a bit heavier than that would suggest because I’m bird-boned. I’d like to lose maybe fifteen or twenty pounds to really be “normally” proportioned.

ETA - it’s funny - as usual I’m the only one in a thread like this who says “My BMI says I’m skinnier than I actually am”.

21.9, which is a little strange as I’m a pretty skinny guy.

When I saw medical professionals specializing in weight loss they also used BMI, mostly to get billing correct for themselves and insurance reasons. For instance, your insurance might only cover treatment if it’s for obesity, and you weren’t obese unless your BMI said you were. But they also measured body fat and put more emphasis on that from a treatment and objective point of view. They always based my goal weight range on fat free mass + 8% to 20% rather than focusing on what a healthy BMI or a weight table showed.

In other words, I agree it’s not all that useless but there seem to be pretty effective alternatives especially for anyone who’s really serious about getting healthier. Why just rely on a number like BMI when you can calculate your fat composition so easily?

22.1, but to offer another angle on the “BMI is meaningless” discussion, you wouldn’t think my BMI was that low to look at me. You’d look at me and think I needed to tone up at least, maybe lose five or ten pounds.

ETA: Hi Zsofia!

I’m 183 cm and about 92 kg right now, which puts my BMI at 27.5. I’m most comfortable at about 75-80 kilo range. Hope to get back there some day.

Hey, another woman who’s 5’7" but built sturdily or with weight distributed evenly (as opposed to gaining weight only between her waist and her knees) wouldn’t look overweight at all. Me, though, I can touch my thumb and index finger together around my wrist and have a genetic tendency to what my aunt calls the “two toothpicks in a maypop” look.

18, a speck underweight.

24.3 at the moment, which seems about right; I’d like to lose 5 or 10 pounds (which isn’t going to happen until after the holidays :frowning: ), but I’d be more likely to be described as “athletic” or “solid” than overweight, for sure.

22.6.

18.3

Great theory, I buy it! I’m sure that load Hendrix must have BMI’d similarly. :smiley:

I started out a year and a half ago with a BMI of 62.3. I am down to 47. Still not happy, but still working hard on it!

At the moment, I am the lone Obese Type II in the poll.

I am 5’2" and probably around 210-215. I really need to get off my lazy ass and exercise consistently. My problem is that (as I already said) I’m lazy, I bore very easily, and I have terrible eating habits. I can go days on just bread and water and then gorge myself for 2 or 3 days.
I’m fairly certain that if I deal with the sweet tooth, eat 3 normal size meals a day EVERY DAY, and exercise for half an hour a day, the weight will melt off. Health issues are not a factor in my fatness.
Ann Onimous: That’s wonderful! What are you doing?

I don’t know how much I buy this BMI thing. I scored a solid 28.9 – 5’8" 190lb. Overweight.

A few years ago I went in for a physical, I weighed about the same as I do now. He told me I should lose a few pounds – okay, I’ll buy that, but the, ‘you’re borderline obese’? Gimme a break.

If I were down to my ideal weight of 155 (which I haven’t been since high school) I’d look like a holocaust survivor.

Sure, I’m a little pudgier around the middle than I should be, but overall I’m in pretty good shape. And apparently I carry my weight well. In the past, people who have guessed at my weight have undershot it by 10 pounds or so.

6’3" and 265 - for a BMI of 33 (Obese). What’s crazy is I will lose 20 lbs (been there) and look like I am just a bit big (due to my height), but will still be classified as “Obese”. If/when I get to my target weight of 220 - I will still be Overweight, and not close to ideal (190). I was 190 when I was an 18-year-old triathlete… and skinny as a rail. I have no idea how I’d look now…

January 2008: 45.5
November 2010: 24.4

29.8, down from 41.6 14 months ago. I’ve lost 42kgs as of this morning. :smiley:

I still have 14kgs to lose, which will put me at 25.5 - still overweight by BMI, but that’s my doctor’s goal for me.

My plan is to get there and have a good look at myself, see what would be necessary if I want to lose another 10kgs, and make a cost/benefit analysis - what would it take me to get there and what would it take me to maintain it vs how much more I’m realistically willing to do. I am at uni, so whilst I can make the gym five or six nights a week when I’m not at school, I can only do three nights with this schedule, for example. So if I will have to cut my calories so drastically to lose another 10kgs that I’m always miserable, I probably won’t do that. I could, but I won’t. 1400 cals seems to be the cut-off for me between “I’m hungry but I can manage” and “FML this sucks and I would eat my own hand if I had enough salt and a fork.”

That said, I can totally take those off in a couple of years when I’m out of school, if I chose to do so then.

I think BMI is a perfectly cromulent measure of things, at least for me, but ask me again when I’m where I want to be - I have no idea what my body looks like at that weight.

So far the Dope is well behind USA rates of obesity. About 34% of the USA is obese; we’re only at 14.95%. If you count those of us in the ‘Overweight’ class as well we’re still a bit behind; 42%, as opposed to the over 50% of the US population who is overweight or obese.