# Doper Charles A Lindbergh: White Supremacist Minority-Hating Sack of Shit **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 25, 2003, 12:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doper-charles-a-lindbergh-white-supremacist-minority-hating-sack-of-shit/220931 "2003-12-25T00:03:49Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2003, 4:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doper-charles-a-lindbergh-white-supremacist-minority-hating-sack-of-shit/220931/21 "2003-12-25T04:02:25Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Dissonance \* > \*\* Definitely not worth reading, with a screen name of Charles A Lindbergh of America First fame, it’s pretty clear where he was heading the first time he uttered the word race. \*\* Yeah, wasn’t Lindbergh a major bigot? I believe he actually admired Hitler at one point, IIRC. ---
**Author:** ![Governor\_Quinn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/d26b3c/32.png) [@Governor\_Quinn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Governor_Quinn)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2003, 4:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doper-charles-a-lindbergh-white-supremacist-minority-hating-sack-of-shit/220931/22 "2003-12-25T04:10:13Z")
You’re damn tooting that he admired Hitler, **Guin**. Even accepted an award from him. So, have you determined what country you’d return to? I decided on either Germany, Switzerland, or Luxembourg, due to my Germanic last name. How about you? ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2003, 4:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doper-charles-a-lindbergh-white-supremacist-minority-hating-sack-of-shit/220931/23 "2003-12-25T04:33:45Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Guinastasia \* > \*\*Yeah, wasn’t Lindbergh a major bigot? I believe he actually admired Hitler at one point, IIRC. \*\* I think you are correct **Guin**. It needs to be noted that after Pearl Harbor and Hitler declaring war, he was in effect black balled for his position and the words he spoke before the war. However, during WWII Lindberg did help train other aviators, and even though in the Pacific he was officially a civilian observer, he did manage to see some action in the Pacific theater. I do think that after the war started, he felt sorry for his previous views, and acted accordingly. Now, if only this **Charles** could learn the lesson of the other one…. [sub]PS: Merry Christmas Kat![/sub] ---
**Author:** ![Baldwin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/baldwin/32/7264_2.png) [@Baldwin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baldwin)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2003, 4:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doper-charles-a-lindbergh-white-supremacist-minority-hating-sack-of-shit/220931/24 "2003-12-25T04:47:07Z")
Well, those worries about the darker races (_you_ know who I’m talking about) taking over our clean white country actually put our boy right in the mainstream. A hundred years ago. In 2003, not so much. I’m not gonna go back and read his thread, but out of curiosity, did he mention that the swarthy invaders want our women? Did he use the word “half-breed”? I’m enjoying this too much. ---
**Author:** ![Dissonance](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/85f322/32.png) [@Dissonance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dissonance)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2003, 5:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doper-charles-a-lindbergh-white-supremacist-minority-hating-sack-of-shit/220931/25 "2003-12-25T05:01:45Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Guinastasia \* > \*\*Yeah, wasn’t Lindbergh a major bigot? I believe he actually admired Hitler at one point, IIRC. \*\* [Yup](http://www.rotten.com/library/bio/misc/lindbergh/). For example, the juicy bit from his Reader’s Digest article "Aviation, Geography and Race:” > [@](#): > > Aviation is a tool especially shaped for Western hands, a scientific art which others only copy in a mediocre fashion; another barrier between the teeming millions of Asia and the Grecian inheritance of Europe – one of the priceless possessions which permit the White race to live at all in a sea of Yellow, Black and Brown… > We can have peace and security only as long as we band together to preserve that most priceless possession, our inheritance of European blood, only so long as we guard ourselves against attack by foreign armies and dilution by foreign races. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2003, 5:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doper-charles-a-lindbergh-white-supremacist-minority-hating-sack-of-shit/220931/26 "2003-12-25T05:30:56Z")
> [@](#): > > teeming millions He was anti-Dope too! :eek: 😉 Hmmm, maybe I’ll go back to Ireland-I mean, there aren’t any snakes there. And I HATE snakes. On the other hand, Poland would kick serious ass. The Slavs have better food…what to do, what to do… ---
**Author:** ![DreadCthulhu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/db5fbb/32.png) [@DreadCthulhu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DreadCthulhu)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2003, 8:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doper-charles-a-lindbergh-white-supremacist-minority-hating-sack-of-shit/220931/27 "2003-12-25T08:48:04Z")
Well, this guy made me agree with \*\* Diogenes \*\* - I called up Satan and he said they were getting snow. 😃 Now, by my last name, I would have to go back to merry old England. Either that or Ireland, Scotland, maybe the Netherlands(but that place is so crowded) or maybe Germany.(Of course, I would have to learn that godawful language they speak - it has sounds even \*\* I \*\* have a hard time pronoucing. Of course, some of my ancestors walked here from Siberia, that might not be too bad, I like wide open spaces, though it would be a bit chilly. ---
**Author:** ![Siege](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/dbc845/32.png) [@Siege](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siege)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2003, 11:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doper-charles-a-lindbergh-white-supremacist-minority-hating-sack-of-shit/220931/28 "2003-12-25T11:39:36Z")
What worries me about guys like this is they have a tendency to confuse us legal-type immigrants with the illegal ones. I had enough to put up with after Sept. 11th with co-workers talking about how _all_ immigrants should be deported, not just the illegal ones. At that point, I looked up from what I was doing and said, if that happened, it was going to take me a lot longer to fix their database. So, if the hard-core anti-immigrant folks take over, could I get a London Dopefest?😉 CJ ---
**Author:** ![Tamerlane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tamerlane/32/7602_2.png) [@Tamerlane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tamerlane)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2003, 11:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doper-charles-a-lindbergh-white-supremacist-minority-hating-sack-of-shit/220931/29 "2003-12-25T11:53:54Z")
Oh, c’mon - Either this guy is a true believer, in which case it is a waste of time to argue with him. Or he is a clever troll and it is a waste of time to argue with him. I don’t even think the normal argument of rebutting for the sake of lurkers works well here - Nobody but other true believers are going to be convinced by this kind of spew. Let him rant to the wind. - Tamerlane ---
**Author:** ![SeekingTruth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/34f0e0/32.png) [@SeekingTruth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SeekingTruth)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2003, 12:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doper-charles-a-lindbergh-white-supremacist-minority-hating-sack-of-shit/220931/30 "2003-12-25T12:01:29Z")
DreadCthulhu, I’m not one to ask for cites, but could you enilighten us on the lineage of ancestors that actually crossed the Bering Straits? Didn’t think so, but I offer you a chance to retract that statement. BTW, the Vikings haven’t won a Super Bowl so I will ask for a cite on snow in Hell. 😜 ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2003, 3:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doper-charles-a-lindbergh-white-supremacist-minority-hating-sack-of-shit/220931/31 "2003-12-25T15:53:38Z")
**DreadCthulhu** , wouldn’t you have to go back to R’lyeh? 😃 As for me, I’d have to send a leg to Ireland, another leg to Wales, an arm to Germany, another arm to Italy and my torso and body, being part Iroquois, I have no idea where it would go, since the USA is the “White” race’s homeland, apparently. Maybe Canada… ---
**Author:** ![Governor\_Quinn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/d26b3c/32.png) [@Governor\_Quinn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Governor_Quinn)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2003, 4:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doper-charles-a-lindbergh-white-supremacist-minority-hating-sack-of-shit/220931/32 "2003-12-25T16:05:26Z")
I’m in real trouble. One of my grandparents was adopted, but the records don’t show where from. Therefore, I could have to sent part of me everywhere. ---
**Author:** ![cheddarsnax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a587f6/32.png) [@cheddarsnax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cheddarsnax)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2003, 4:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doper-charles-a-lindbergh-white-supremacist-minority-hating-sack-of-shit/220931/33 "2003-12-25T16:14:40Z")
:dubious: ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2003, 4:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doper-charles-a-lindbergh-white-supremacist-minority-hating-sack-of-shit/220931/34 "2003-12-25T16:21:42Z")
> [@](#): > > DreadCthulhu, I’m not one to ask for cites, but could you enilighten us on the lineage of ancestors that actually crossed the Bering Straits? Didn’t think so, but I offer you a chance to retract that statement. Y’know, even if you prefer the coastal migration theory over the Bering land bridge theory, throwing out a casual reference to crossing the Bering Straits is a perfectly acceptable way to note one’s Indian ancestry. (Besides, your “didn’t think so” implies that you are ignorant of the fact that a (small) number of Russians _did_ immigrate by way of Alaska in the nineteenth century.) Of course, you could withdraw your querelous challenge before he was forced to take note of your error. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Beagle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/85f322/32.png) [@Beagle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beagle)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2003, 4:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doper-charles-a-lindbergh-white-supremacist-minority-hating-sack-of-shit/220931/35 "2003-12-25T16:45:03Z")
As a white (medium brown) American in a minority neighborhood being taken over by Puerto Rican Commonwealth immigrants (mostly medium brown also) I’d just like to say, ho-hum. They take care of their yards, keep their kids out of the streets at night and don’t make many more loud noises than we do. Ergo, perfect neighbors. The Muslims and Hindus that live nearby haven’t come to blows over Kashmir yet, thankfully. 😉 OTOH, they all speak English and have bought into the residential American Dream. Moreover, I don’t live on the border with Mexico. That’s a mess. A limited defense of Lindbergh would at least point out that racism was, to a certain extent, based on the science of the times. Most of the understandings of the fundamental nature, movements, or development of humans and “races” throughout the world have been guesswork until DNA testing came along fairly recently. ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2003, 6:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doper-charles-a-lindbergh-white-supremacist-minority-hating-sack-of-shit/220931/36 "2003-12-25T18:58:56Z")
> [@](#): > > A limited defense of Lindbergh would at least point out that racism was, to a certain extent, based on the science of the times. It would be substantially more accurate to note that the racist science of the times was rooted in the xenophobia and desire for exalting their own groups exercised by the scientists. When Blumenbach described his five races of humanity, he went to great lengths to insist that they could be used only to identify geographic location of an individual and that no moral or qualitative attributes could be assigned to a person (or the group) based on those categories. Before he died, he was already having to protest others’ use of his system to “rate” groups according to the other scientists’ preconceived notions of how close other groups were to the “superior” Causcasian race. ---
**Author:** ![E-Sabbath](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e19adc/32.png) [@E-Sabbath](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E-Sabbath)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2003, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doper-charles-a-lindbergh-white-supremacist-minority-hating-sack-of-shit/220931/37 "2003-12-25T19:15:31Z")
I remain certain that we can simply shred any argument provided by bigots, provided that we stick to the defined debate and do not allow weaseling or topic shifting. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2003, 7:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doper-charles-a-lindbergh-white-supremacist-minority-hating-sack-of-shit/220931/38 "2003-12-25T19:26:36Z")
Is there really any value in debating someone like this in a forum such as this one? I just can’t see it. ---
**Author:** ![E-Sabbath](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e19adc/32.png) [@E-Sabbath](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E-Sabbath)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2003, 7:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doper-charles-a-lindbergh-white-supremacist-minority-hating-sack-of-shit/220931/39 "2003-12-25T19:42:42Z")
Certainly. To fight ignorance. You can not deny that these people are ignorant, can you? ---
**Author:** ![The\_Man\_With\_The\_Golden\_Gun](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/dc4da7/32.png) [@The\_Man\_With\_The\_Golden\_Gun](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Man_With_The_Golden_Gun)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2003, 7:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doper-charles-a-lindbergh-white-supremacist-minority-hating-sack-of-shit/220931/40 "2003-12-25T19:44:10Z")
Wasn’t the real Charles Lindbergh a Nazi as well? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doper-charles-a-lindbergh-white-supremacist-minority-hating-sack-of-shit/220931.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doper-charles-a-lindbergh-white-supremacist-minority-hating-sack-of-shit/220931.md?page=3)