# Doper Charles A Lindbergh: White Supremacist Minority-Hating Sack of Shit **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 25, 2003, 12:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doper-charles-a-lindbergh-white-supremacist-minority-hating-sack-of-shit/220931 "2003-12-25T00:03:49Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![ITR\_champion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/c67d28/32.png) [@ITR\_champion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ITR_champion)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2003, 1:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doper-charles-a-lindbergh-white-supremacist-minority-hating-sack-of-shit/220931/61 "2003-12-27T01:02:19Z")
Breaking news: the guy has just reappeared. How’s that for a holiday surprise? On top of that, he’s figured out that lower case letters exist. On the other hand, he still thinks it’s a good idea to write in two-foot-tall green text. And no, he apparently feels no compunction to admit to or apologize for his long stream of lies and evasions. ---
**Author:** ![Beagle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/85f322/32.png) [@Beagle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beagle)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2003, 1:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doper-charles-a-lindbergh-white-supremacist-minority-hating-sack-of-shit/220931/62 "2003-12-27T01:13:47Z")
It’s easy to go back in time – just 40 years – to dispose of great historical figures with modern morality. Sure, they sucked. Wait until your grandchldren get a chance to write about you. As noted, the science of the time lent itself to misinterpretation. They used to think of “race” in a completely different way. When was _The Double Helix_ published? 1948? Later? I’m not excusing murderous racist dictators (Hitler), but am willing to cut a misguided flyboy some slack. That’s me. ---
**Author:** ![Dissonance](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/85f322/32.png) [@Dissonance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dissonance)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2003, 5:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doper-charles-a-lindbergh-white-supremacist-minority-hating-sack-of-shit/220931/63 "2003-12-27T05:57:53Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Beagle \* > \*\*I’m not excusing murderous racist dictators (Hitler), but am willing to cut a misguided flyboy some slack. That’s me. \*\* Shit, I’ll cut misguided flyboys some slack, but Lindbergh was worried about all those “yellows” attacking the greatness of “white” civilization, and admired good old Adolf for it. Not exactly his proudest moment. Someone naming themselves after him and talking about races is giving themselves away, though. Robert Heinlein was a great sci-fi writer, but he bought into the Yellow Peril himself, just give _Sixth Column_ read. ---
**Author:** ![Stoneburg](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/df705f/32.png) [@Stoneburg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stoneburg)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2003, 8:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doper-charles-a-lindbergh-white-supremacist-minority-hating-sack-of-shit/220931/64 "2003-12-27T08:30:08Z")
Yeah but you have to realise that what turned people against Hitler wasn’t his racism. Pretty much everyone was a racist at the time, hell it was a scientific fact that the white race was superiour all others. What upset people was (except that he attacked other countries) that he industrialised the proccess of killing off “inferior races” and that he did it _in Europe_. The polite way to do it was to go to another continent and _shoot_ them (or poison or beat or whatever), not do it _here_ and with a modern industrial approach. Sure, there were some people who weren’t racists back then, but those were the odd ones out. ---
**Author:** ![Dissonance](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/85f322/32.png) [@Dissonance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dissonance)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2003, 8:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doper-charles-a-lindbergh-white-supremacist-minority-hating-sack-of-shit/220931/65 "2003-12-27T08:45:22Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Stoneburg \* > \*\*Sure, there were some people who weren’t racists back then, but those were the odd ones out. \*\* Unfortunately sad but true. On the other hand, the historical Lindbergh was known for three things: flying cross-Atlantic, having his child abducted, and publicly promoting what would today be known as White Power. The poster admires him for the third trait. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2003, 12:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doper-charles-a-lindbergh-white-supremacist-minority-hating-sack-of-shit/220931/66 "2003-12-27T12:03:34Z")
Not much worthwhile to add, but this guy’s a total numbskull. He’s a very transparent one, however, so it’s rather amusing because the holes in his logic are unhidden and large enough to pilot a boat full of conquering immigrants through. ---
**Author:** ![Beagle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/85f322/32.png) [@Beagle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beagle)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2003, 3:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doper-charles-a-lindbergh-white-supremacist-minority-hating-sack-of-shit/220931/67 "2003-12-27T15:52:46Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Dissonance \* > **…Yellow Peril…** Tequila? Oh, that one. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Dissonance](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/85f322/32.png) [@Dissonance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dissonance)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2003, 6:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doper-charles-a-lindbergh-white-supremacist-minority-hating-sack-of-shit/220931/68 "2003-12-28T06:30:56Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Beagle \* > \*\*Tequila? > > Oh, that one. 😉 \*\* Nah, not Tequila, this [yellow peril](http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1583483276/102-5261378-3424929?v=glance). Cheers, mate.😉 ---
**Author:** ![syncrolecyne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f08c70/32.png) [@syncrolecyne](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/syncrolecyne)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2003, 4:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doper-charles-a-lindbergh-white-supremacist-minority-hating-sack-of-shit/220931/69 "2003-12-29T04:34:52Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by JRDelirious \* > \*\*Yeah, but what those dickweed Mexican politicians are generally doing is talking for the bleachers (Appeals to dumb nationalism are a worldwide political tool; and one of the biggest tragedies of Latin America and the Third World in general IS the presence of these dickweed politicians who cannot or will not realize that if their dream of cutting “the rich” down to size happens, their own countries are going to get it in the nuts.) > > The more realistic thought would be not so much a conquest/takeover as the building of a voting/lobbying bloc that will cause the US to adopt policies favourable to Mexico, in the way they imagine that US Jews make us support Israel. However, Mr. Hernández is placing a very risky bet – the US-born latter-generation Mexican-Americans may very well figure they do not have that much more in common with the guys down south. \*\* Exactly…no Mexican political figure is going to boast “Under my administration, five million Mexicans decided they’d be better off as _mojados_ in the United States than living here!”. So they put a positive spin on it and hint to their constituents that they have some other goals. Living on the border, I see first hand that most Mexican-Americans have a very comtemptful attitude toward Mexican politicians and the Mexican government. I think the whole idea of coming here is to avoid living under Mexican jurisdiction. And Mexican-Americans who go to Mexico find themselves immediately labelled as “gringos” the same as anyone else (perhaps a bit worse since Mexico has prejudices of its own toward to poorer class - presumably where Mexican-Americans come from). There is a fellow named Steve Sailer, and while he skirts upon “white nationalism” and racism at times (mainly in where his essays are posted), he makes a very interesting argument that the “white” Mexican political elite is actually very racist, and is more or less in collusion with both the Republican and Democratic parties to promote mass Mexican immigration. The Mexican elite rids itself of troublesome brown-skinned agitators (staving off a true “civil rights” movement), and the US gains either (for lefties) a large ‘minority’ bloc or (for righties) millions of non-unionized, Catholic workers. While there are holes in his argument, that makes a lot more sense than some Mexican “reconquest” which will pit Ford pickups with stenciled surnames in Old English letters against the US Army Third Cavalry division. ---
**Author:** ![syncrolecyne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f08c70/32.png) [@syncrolecyne](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/syncrolecyne)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2003, 4:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doper-charles-a-lindbergh-white-supremacist-minority-hating-sack-of-shit/220931/70 "2003-12-29T04:37:06Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Chefguy \* > \*\*The sad, sad part of all this is that at some point he will move to Alaska, because that’s what most racist whackjobs seem to do… \*\* Then we’ll hear about all the illegal Eskimos coming to Alaska to take White jobs. ---
**Author:** ![Ale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f19dbf/32.png) [@Ale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ale)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2003, 5:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doper-charles-a-lindbergh-white-supremacist-minority-hating-sack-of-shit/220931/71 "2003-12-29T05:38:32Z")
It´s just me or the last two weeks there´s been an uprising of obnoxious new members? ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2003, 5:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doper-charles-a-lindbergh-white-supremacist-minority-hating-sack-of-shit/220931/72 "2003-12-29T05:42:31Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Ale \* > \*\*It´s just me or the last two weeks there´s been an uprising of obnoxious new members? \*\* No, it’s not just you. It’s standard at this time and other times of year. School holidays. The youngsters get off on this sort of thing. That said, I don’t think this one is a youngster, just deluded. ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2003, 1:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doper-charles-a-lindbergh-white-supremacist-minority-hating-sack-of-shit/220931/73 "2003-12-29T13:25:08Z")
Actually, I’ve for a long time thought something similar. We, in the United States, have an ENORMOUS surfeit of college-educated kids who need to start careers and climb that success ladder, right? Well, why do it here? Why not take the most educated and motivated and have them move to Guatemala, El Salvador, and wherever and apply their education and drive to succeed there? Think about it. Where’s the competition going to be fiercer? Here with countless college graduates being churned out each year or in the third world where college degrees are still rare? So let’s reverse this trend and start establishing and America emigre elite in the developing world! ---
**Author:** ![Charles\_A\_Lindbergh](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e9a140/32.png) [@Charles\_A\_Lindbergh](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Charles_A_Lindbergh)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2004, 9:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doper-charles-a-lindbergh-white-supremacist-minority-hating-sack-of-shit/220931/74 "2004-02-01T21:46:14Z")
I apologize for having not noticed or kept up with this thread. I just read most of it for the first time today (Feb 1, 2004). One poster seemed to think that Lindbergh may have recanted his pre-war views on race after WWII. Actually he didn’t. **He never recanted any of his statements** on the value of preserving the White race, on the peril of a non-White invasion of White homelands, or on the wrongness of having non-Whites in control of the White means of communication. He recognized that control of the means of communicaition can be used to engage in racially-destructive propaganda and politically-correct censorship. George Orwell had the same insight in _1984_. And, indeed, only media control can explain the complete transformation of the American public’s awareness of the life and thoughts of Charles A. Lindbergh. In November, 1939, when Charles A. Lindbergh wrote the words below, he was writing in the world’s largest-circulation magazine, _Reader’s Digest_. The gentile owners and founders of _Reader’s Digest_, Lila Acheson Wallace and DeWitt Wallace were strong supporters of the America First Committee philosophy that Charles Lindbergh and millions of American shared. The point that I am making is that the thoughts below were commonplace and generally agreed with by the mass of White Americans in a 90% White America. These were not “extremist” thoughts. These were the mainstream thoughts. A lot of the arguments made against those of us who wish to stop the non-White invasion into White homelands are really only statements that “you’re a tiny minority of haters” and, “we multi-racilialists so completely outnumber you White nativists that you’ll never get anywhere with your xenophoba.” But, these same people who base their “arguments” on popularity or unpopularity in the mass media and mass attitudes are generally quite ignorant of the fact that the mass attitudes were exactly opposite only 60 years ago. Listen to Lindbergh writing, non-controversially (!), for that mass White audience in Nov., 1939: > [@](#): > > We can have peace and security only as long as we band together to preserve that most priceless possession, our inheritance of European blood, only so long as we guard ourselves against attack by foreign armies and dilution by foreign races. > > We, the heirs of European culture, are on the verge of a disastrous war, a war within our own family of nations, a war which will reduce the strength and destroy the treasures of the White race, a war which may even lead to the end of our civilization. > > It is time to turn from our quarrels and to build our White ramparts again. This alliance with foreign races means nothing but death to us. It is our turn to guard our heritage from Mongol and Persian and Moor, before we become engulfed in a limitless foreign sea. > > **Charles A. Lindbergh** , “Aviation, Geography, and Race”, _Reader’s Digest_, Nov. 1939, p. 66 ---
**Author:** ![Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bosda_di_chi_of_tricor/32/16845_2.png) [@Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosda_Di_Chi_of_Tricor)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2004, 9:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doper-charles-a-lindbergh-white-supremacist-minority-hating-sack-of-shit/220931/75 "2004-02-01T21:50:01Z")
But you, personally, **C.A.L.** remain a racist sack of shit, whether Lindbergh wised up or no. ---
**Author:** ![pravnik](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8edcca/32.png) [@pravnik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pravnik)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2004, 10:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doper-charles-a-lindbergh-white-supremacist-minority-hating-sack-of-shit/220931/76 "2004-02-01T22:17:39Z")
> [@Charles A Lindbergh](#): > > But, these same people who base their “arguments” on popularity or unpopularity in the mass media and mass attitudes are generally quite ignorant of the fact that the mass attitudes were exactly opposite only 60 years ago. Argumentum ad populum. ---
**Author:** ![TwistofFate](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/cdc98d/32.png) [@TwistofFate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TwistofFate)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2004, 11:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doper-charles-a-lindbergh-white-supremacist-minority-hating-sack-of-shit/220931/77 "2004-02-01T23:17:39Z")
White homelands? WHITE FREAKING HOMELANDS? what white homelands? Who gave us fucking whites any grounds to call anywhere “homeland”? what the hell can we do that other “races” can’t do? Really, what makes us so special and deservant of anywhere that is exclusively white and were those darned coloureds know their place? honestly, give us some evidence that shows that we are so fucking superior. there isn’t any. Take your hate elsewhere. ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_Wright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/848f3c/32.png) [@Steve\_Wright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_Wright)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2004, 12:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doper-charles-a-lindbergh-white-supremacist-minority-hating-sack-of-shit/220931/78 "2004-02-02T00:26:19Z")
And one thing _I’d_ like to know is, when did people of Hispanic origin become non-European? Did somebody saw Spain off at the Pyrenees when I wasn’t looking? ---
**Author:** ![samclem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a9a28c/32.png) [@samclem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/samclem)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2004, 12:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doper-charles-a-lindbergh-white-supremacist-minority-hating-sack-of-shit/220931/79 "2004-02-02T00:30:38Z")
> [@Charles A Lindbergh](#): > > And, indeed, only media control can explain the complete transformation of the American public’s awareness of the life and thoughts of Charles A. Lindbergh. “Media control?” Poppycock! Most people have come a long way, baby, since 1940. If you’re stuck there, sorry for you. > [@](#): > > The point that I am making is that the thoughts below were commonplace and generally agreed with by the mass of White Americans in a 90% White America. These were not “extremist” thoughts. These were the mainstream thoughts. Again, you’re correct. Many people thought that way 65 years ago. Fortunately, many don’t today. . ---
**Author:** ![cheddarsnax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a587f6/32.png) [@cheddarsnax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cheddarsnax)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2004, 12:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doper-charles-a-lindbergh-white-supremacist-minority-hating-sack-of-shit/220931/80 "2004-02-02T00:49:32Z")
Charles, I ask you in all seriousness (hopefully you haven’t already answered this): how old are you? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doper-charles-a-lindbergh-white-supremacist-minority-hating-sack-of-shit/220931.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doper-charles-a-lindbergh-white-supremacist-minority-hating-sack-of-shit/220931.md?page=5)