# Doper Diplomacy - Fall and Winter 2002 **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [August 28, 2002, 1:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doper-diplomacy-fall-and-winter-2002/125858 "2002-08-28T01:21:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 12
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2002, 11:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doper-diplomacy-fall-and-winter-2002/125858/221 "2002-09-29T23:45:04Z")
What - you were gone?? 😕 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2002, 12:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doper-diplomacy-fall-and-winter-2002/125858/222 "2002-09-30T00:05:39Z")
And dancing as fast as I can, buddy. You hear me? ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2002, 12:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doper-diplomacy-fall-and-winter-2002/125858/223 "2002-09-30T00:55:26Z")
To whom it may concern… If you’re going to curse at a player (poor form in the game, as I think others will attest) while opening negotiations it would be a very good idea to make sure your hotmail account won’t reject replies because your inbox is full. Just a suggestion from a helpful soul. ---
**Author:** ![White\_Lightning](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f04885/32.png) [@White\_Lightning](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/White_Lightning)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2002, 7:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doper-diplomacy-fall-and-winter-2002/125858/224 "2002-09-30T07:56:11Z")
Man. Every doggarn day it’s some new problem. For the last few hours my email’s been acting all wonky and skittish. So if anyone has anything they’d like to tell me, I’d appreciate it if you’d send it to _BOTH_ my emails: [amolochko@attbi.com](mailto:amolochko@attbi.com) [inthetank2001@yahoo.com](mailto:inthetank2001@yahoo.com) Thanks much. This is particularly important for 1040, as our turn is due in about 24 hours and my moves appear to be pretty much still totally up in the air. Hopefully somebody will send me a set of orders for my units so I don’t have to stress about it. Actually it’s kind of important for 1046 too, since the turn’s due in a few hours, if there are any problems with my orders (Dave, I just sent them to you from yahoo to both your addresses so I’m hoping that’s all good) or anything else I’ll need to know about. Hope you all had a wonderful weekend, and good luck in the Dipping to come this week. Oh also, **Omni** , sorry to spread everything all around, but I made another post on the fathom thread (since that was where I brought up the football thing in the first place) earlier this morning, and what’s funny is, it actually turned out to be _true_. Egg on my face or what, eh? ---
**Author:** ![Weirddave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/919ad9/32.png) [@Weirddave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Weirddave)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2002, 11:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doper-diplomacy-fall-and-winter-2002/125858/225 "2002-09-30T11:51:25Z")
Dip 1046:George has been delayed for 24 hours by request. Moves are now due Tuesday morning. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2002, 12:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doper-diplomacy-fall-and-winter-2002/125858/226 "2002-09-30T12:58:45Z")
It’s gonna be a busy evening’s Dipping for those in both games! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Abe\_Babe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3ab097/32.png) [@Abe\_Babe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Abe_Babe)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2002, 7:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doper-diplomacy-fall-and-winter-2002/125858/227 "2002-09-30T19:36:35Z")
Let’s just hope I can keep my countries straight with the orders this time. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2002, 8:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doper-diplomacy-fall-and-winter-2002/125858/228 "2002-09-30T20:15:54Z")
Hey, do what Alex did last time - send in orders for everyone! 😉 Oh yeah - 13 hours to the 1040 deadline, sports fans! ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2002, 11:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doper-diplomacy-fall-and-winter-2002/125858/229 "2002-09-30T23:56:08Z")
Man, the tension is brutal. I have three games with deadlines tomorrow morning. One is a black press game in which I don’t even know the names (nor can I communicate with) the other players. Oof. And I have a game adjudicating tomorrow. But two of my games have ended. Including the most recent HYPERDIP. Think I should start a new one? ---
**Author:** ![Wikkit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/c0e974/32.png) [@Wikkit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wikkit)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2002, 5:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doper-diplomacy-fall-and-winter-2002/125858/230 "2002-10-01T05:16:59Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Jonathan Chance \* > **Man, the tension is brutal. I have three games with deadlines tomorrow morning. One is a black press game in which I don’t even know the names (nor can I communicate with) the other players.** I thought that the point of the game ‘Diplomacy’ was, well, diplomacy. What’s the point when you can’t talk? > [@](#): > > But two of my games have ended. Including the most recent HYPERDIP. Think I should start a new one? I’d like to play. I played Axis&Allies again yesterday, a whole game (in 7 or 8 continuous hours). I lost, but I played Germany and the more experienced people said I played well. Japan fell before I did, which made for some nice rewritten history. ---
**Author:** ![White\_Lightning](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f04885/32.png) [@White\_Lightning](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/White_Lightning)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2002, 10:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doper-diplomacy-fall-and-winter-2002/125858/231 "2002-10-01T10:21:41Z")
Good morning everyone. Is it my turn to make with the bugles and things? You wouldn’t make me go to sleep without seeing the turn, would you **RT**? ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2002, 10:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doper-diplomacy-fall-and-winter-2002/125858/232 "2002-10-01T10:24:19Z")
I’m still waiting on one set of orders in Dip 1040. The player has been notified. ---
**Author:** ![White\_Lightning](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f04885/32.png) [@White\_Lightning](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/White_Lightning)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2002, 10:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doper-diplomacy-fall-and-winter-2002/125858/233 "2002-10-01T10:52:57Z")
Are we there yet? Are we there yet? Are we there yet? ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2002, 11:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doper-diplomacy-fall-and-winter-2002/125858/234 "2002-10-01T11:55:23Z")
NMR him! NMR him! No mercy! ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2002, 12:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doper-diplomacy-fall-and-winter-2002/125858/235 "2002-10-01T12:26:50Z")
Still waiting. Go to bed, Alex. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![ShibbOleth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/848f3c/32.png) [@ShibbOleth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShibbOleth)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2002, 1:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doper-diplomacy-fall-and-winter-2002/125858/236 "2002-10-01T13:04:50Z")
**RTF** , I got a note from you and sent orders last night. If you didn’t receive them please let me know and I’ll resend. I was having trouble with one of my computers so had to switch to the back up. If it’s not me then you can ignore. Or if it is me you can ignore. Everyone else does. ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2002, 1:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doper-diplomacy-fall-and-winter-2002/125858/237 "2002-10-01T13:10:16Z")
We’re not ignoring you, Shibb… We’re hearing you and dismissing it, that’s all. ---
**Author:** ![ShibbOleth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/848f3c/32.png) [@ShibbOleth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShibbOleth)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2002, 1:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doper-diplomacy-fall-and-winter-2002/125858/238 "2002-10-01T13:11:49Z")
Ok, that’s better then. ---
**Author:** ![Abe\_Babe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3ab097/32.png) [@Abe\_Babe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Abe_Babe)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2002, 1:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doper-diplomacy-fall-and-winter-2002/125858/239 "2002-10-01T13:14:17Z")
Make 'im trade with England. That’ll show 'im! Unless it’s England, in which case. . . uhhhh. . . . Hold on a minute. **JC** , or **RT** with black press, I understand there is no communication at all among the players. Can someone send a general announcement to the GM, who would transmit it to the players? Also, is there such a thing as ‘grey’ press, or something where each player can only send a limited number of messages (eg. 2) to each other player? I could be interesting if Turkey had used all his messages to Russia, and had to request France to send one. France could really screw one of them over. ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2002, 1:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doper-diplomacy-fall-and-winter-2002/125858/240 "2002-10-01T13:34:13Z")
Types of ‘Press’: White Press: Messages sent to all parties where the sender is indentified. Grey Press: Anonymous press sent to all players. The sender is not identified but may not masquerade as another player. Black Press: Press sent to all parties where the sender is free to identify him or herself as another player. Here’s a recent example from the game I’m playing: > [@](#): > > _From the last adjudication in Dip 1042_ > > PRESS: > > ANONYMOUS: > > “No. #1 Nut would like to make it known that he submitted NO Press last season, therefore by dint of this it has to be assumed that all communications were sent by the players themselves (or some other nut!).” > > “I wonder, is it significant that only England doesn’t have fleas? Could it be because he’s a reptile? ;-)” > > “What no fleas in England? Could it be that they stink soo much that even the fleas can’t stand them?” > > “What is it with that nor order? NORway, NORth Sea, NORth atlantic, NO Return no deposit?” > > “Bring out your dead, bring out your dead.” > > RUSSIA: > > “Turkey - you’ve left your back door open. AI will roll all over you > unless you leave me alone. Go to con with your fleet, try to keep > the bad guys out of the Aegean and let me take Rumania with an army. Then we can try to turn back the crimson tide.” > > AUSTRIA: > > “The Real Austria would like to say that support for Turkish rights to Romania will be upheld.” > > “To Italy, just testing.” > > ENGLAND: > > “e to f – If you’ve built F bre, it had better go to mao or I’ll consider you an enemy.” > > “I’m dissapointed in your northern opening, russia, you really > should do something about the turks. Would you be willing to > support me into denmark if I agree not to try to take st > petersburg?” > > “E - G: You’d better leave the Northsea alone. It’s mine. Assuming” > > FRANCE: > > “Ger - You should have believed me when I said I wanted to work together, then we’d be in a better situation. I’m going to storm the english channel this turn and will support you into north sea in fall. Life will be much better if we get rid of England” > > "F to E … I’m glad you didn’t take offense at my move to la > manche. My real goal is to crush the germans. Please ignore F bre, it was built as an insurance mechanism. " > > GERMANY: > > “Hello Russia - If you want my help in the north, you’re going to > need to find some plausible way of getting rid of your fleet.” > > “Dear France - I hope you’ll reconsider what looked like a fairly > aggressive opening against me. An attack on someone else would be much more productive.” > > “England, mate, if you order F norway to sweden, I’ll take that as a signal you’re willing to work together. I’ll be willing to support > you in to sweden during fall if you attack the french.” > > ITALY: > > "Italy - Austria > > I trust you will bounce our Turkish friend in the AEG this turn. You can take Bul in the autumn, far more pleasant at that time of year. Then we can enjoy some delight!" > > “Italy (Government) \> All - In an attempt to make the true voice of Italy heard above the hubbub of all the Black Press that is flying about, I will attempt to write to each of you within the context of a single mail message. > Austria, you’ll have no problems from me - perhaps we can cooperate on opening Turkey’s southern door? > England, with Germany’s shinanigins and Russia’s beligerant attitude toward you, you need to choose your friends carefully. > France, good luck, you may need it. Dependant upon progress in the east I may station a fleet to protect your rear. > Germany, you may yet regret your ‘cheekyness’, but I have no quarrel with you unless you start moving south. > Russia, I’ll come knocking at Turkey’s southern door, so hopefully that will allow you to regain your position in the south. > Turkey, you ‘are’ the flea that bites the backside of Europe - and I come armed with the flea powder with which to erradicate the pest.” Get the idea? All communication is above the board but no one knows which to take seriously. It’s confusing, especially early in the game. Now can you guys guess who **I’m** playing? Bear in mind I’m not permitted to tell you. But feel free to speculate. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doper-diplomacy-fall-and-winter-2002/125858.md?page=11) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doper-diplomacy-fall-and-winter-2002/125858.md?page=13)