# Doper Diplomacy - Fall and Winter 2002 **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [August 28, 2002, 1:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doper-diplomacy-fall-and-winter-2002/125858 "2002-08-28T01:21:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 17
**Author:** ![Abe\_Babe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3ab097/32.png) [@Abe\_Babe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Abe_Babe)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2002, 1:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doper-diplomacy-fall-and-winter-2002/125858/321 "2002-10-08T13:14:17Z")
We should work together then, **Shibb** , I am also trying to spread the joy that is Italy around the civilised world (plus Turkey). ---
**Author:** ![Abe\_Babe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3ab097/32.png) [@Abe\_Babe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Abe_Babe)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2002, 1:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doper-diplomacy-fall-and-winter-2002/125858/322 "2002-10-08T13:15:37Z")
Although to clarify, in Dip 1040, I am trying to wipe the scourge that is Italy from the civilized world. (with proper spelling this time) ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2002, 1:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doper-diplomacy-fall-and-winter-2002/125858/323 "2002-10-08T13:18:24Z")
Stay confused, Abe. It’s for the best. ---
**Author:** ![Abe\_Babe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3ab097/32.png) [@Abe\_Babe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Abe_Babe)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2002, 1:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doper-diplomacy-fall-and-winter-2002/125858/324 "2002-10-08T13:22:15Z")
: **Abe Babe** shows up at the **Chance** abode holding a sack of pebbles and an air horn, asking directions to **Weirddave’s** house: ---
**Author:** ![ShibbOleth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/848f3c/32.png) [@ShibbOleth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShibbOleth)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2002, 1:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doper-diplomacy-fall-and-winter-2002/125858/325 "2002-10-08T13:24:34Z")
Yes, **Abe** , I think we just need you to submit Italian orders one or two times in the Dip 1040 game so that the rest of us can climb back in it. Better make it three just to be on the safe side. And many here would would maintain that the only civilised spelling of the word “civilized” is correct in your first attempt. YMMV. ---
**Author:** ![Weirddave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/919ad9/32.png) [@Weirddave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Weirddave)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2002, 1:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doper-diplomacy-fall-and-winter-2002/125858/326 "2002-10-08T13:35:28Z")
Everyone’s order’s received, adjudication after I get back from work ( Hopefully noonish, possibly 3 ish ) Abe, you get a penalty for the air horn. I’m awarding one of your SCs to…Japan. ---
**Author:** ![ShibbOleth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/848f3c/32.png) [@ShibbOleth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShibbOleth)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2002, 1:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doper-diplomacy-fall-and-winter-2002/125858/327 "2002-10-08T13:57:40Z")
I think I want **Weirddave** ’s job. How does one get home “noonish” from work? ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2002, 1:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doper-diplomacy-fall-and-winter-2002/125858/328 "2002-10-08T13:58:06Z")
Well, you go about 75 miles east. When you hit Baltimore go north east until you leave civilization (oops, you did that when you crossed the river into Maryland). Then look for Ginger. Ask her. ---
**Author:** ![Abe\_Babe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3ab097/32.png) [@Abe\_Babe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Abe_Babe)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2002, 2:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doper-diplomacy-fall-and-winter-2002/125858/329 "2002-10-08T14:27:07Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by ShibbOleth \* > \*\*Yes, **Abe** , I think we just need you to submit Italian orders one or two times in the Dip 1040 game so that the rest of us can climb back in it. Better make it three just to be on the safe side. Trust me. If I submitted orders for Italy for even one turn, wouldn’t be _nobody_ climbing back in it except me. ---
**Author:** ![ShibbOleth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/848f3c/32.png) [@ShibbOleth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShibbOleth)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2002, 2:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doper-diplomacy-fall-and-winter-2002/125858/330 "2002-10-08T14:36:29Z")
Well, my assumption was that you would submit orders for Italy and none for Austria AND that Italy’s real orders would be taken over your obviously bogus ones. Of course this only works in Dip 1040 world; in Dip 1046 world we always consider your Italian orders to be totally bogus. ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2002, 2:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doper-diplomacy-fall-and-winter-2002/125858/331 "2002-10-08T14:38:18Z")
Oh, and here I was assuming that Abe and I would just switch for this turn. That would be fun. ---
**Author:** ![Abe\_Babe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3ab097/32.png) [@Abe\_Babe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Abe_Babe)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2002, 3:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doper-diplomacy-fall-and-winter-2002/125858/332 "2002-10-08T15:03:37Z")
If we’re doing some kind of _Freaky Friday_ switch, I get to be Tatum O’Neal. You can be Marsha Mason. ---
**Author:** ![Weirddave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/919ad9/32.png) [@Weirddave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Weirddave)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2002, 4:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doper-diplomacy-fall-and-winter-2002/125858/333 "2002-10-08T16:05:06Z")
1046 is Adjudicated. Now, what to do with my afternoon…Lounge by the pool…Drink champaigne in front of the big screen…Fly off to Monico for Baccarach…Choices, choices…It’s so hard, y’know? ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2002, 5:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doper-diplomacy-fall-and-winter-2002/125858/334 "2002-10-08T17:05:07Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Abe Babe \* > \*\*If we’re doing some kind of _Freaky Friday_ switch, I get to be Tatum O’Neal. You can be Marsha Mason. \*\* I get to be the jail bait? At least I get to dump that banana peel into the mailbox. That’s cool. Don’t try to out-reference _me_, foul Chicagoan. ---
**Author:** ![Abe\_Babe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3ab097/32.png) [@Abe\_Babe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Abe_Babe)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2002, 5:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doper-diplomacy-fall-and-winter-2002/125858/335 "2002-10-08T17:20:01Z")
Hey, smart guy. You still have a bit of Chicago stench on you, so I wouldn’t be throwing stones if I were you. [sub]fnord[/sub] ---
**Author:** ![ShibbOleth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/848f3c/32.png) [@ShibbOleth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShibbOleth)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2002, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doper-diplomacy-fall-and-winter-2002/125858/336 "2002-10-08T17:39:53Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Weirddave \* > \*\*1046 is Adjudicated. Now, what to do with my afternoon…Lounge by the pool…Drink champaigne in front of the big screen…Fly off to Monico for Baccarach…Choices, choices…It’s so hard, y’know? \*\* That last set of choices has me a little worried: [Bacharach](http://us.imdb.com/Name?Bacharach,%20Burt) or [Baccarat](http://www.baccarat.fr/us/index.html) or [baccarat](http://www.baccarat-gambling.com/)? ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2002, 6:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doper-diplomacy-fall-and-winter-2002/125858/337 "2002-10-08T18:20:36Z")
Hey, he’s from Baltimore. Go easy on him. ---
**Author:** ![Abe\_Babe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3ab097/32.png) [@Abe\_Babe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Abe_Babe)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2002, 6:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doper-diplomacy-fall-and-winter-2002/125858/338 "2002-10-08T18:56:12Z")
**EasyDave** has a pretty good ring to it as a username. I don’t think **Ginger** would care too much for it, though. ---
**Author:** ![Omniscient](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omniscient/32/3290_2.png) [@Omniscient](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omniscient)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2002, 7:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doper-diplomacy-fall-and-winter-2002/125858/339 "2002-10-08T19:44:23Z")
OK, I was gone all day yesterday and I’m just getting back up to speed on the 1040 stuff. Got the message about Maeglin’s time issues and the vote for a winner. I figured we all might as well open this up to discussion instead of just doing a blind vote. I voted against declaring a winner last time for a couple of reasons. First, this is only my second game and frankly I was kinda hoping to actually have the chance to play a game out into the mid-game and end-game. Last time I was first eliminatd, so it was a short experience. Secondly, I had a slight optomism that I still had a chance to challenge Abe Babe in a race to victory. It’s obviously slim, but I am only 2 SCs behind. Neither of these two things have changed really, though Italy has probably tilted the playing field more against me. But, before I hadn’t heard Maeglin’s situation. If everyone else feels like the game is already decided, and that the hassle of replacing Maeglin (or his continuing out of obligation or necessity when he’ll only be half playing) outweighs any interest in seeing the game through, I have no problem conceeding. Anyways, can I field some opinions from all you guys? Am I the only one interested in continuing? Does the Maeglin factor tilt anyone opinion on the value of playing it out at least a little farther? ---
**Author:** ![Abe\_Babe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3ab097/32.png) [@Abe\_Babe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Abe_Babe)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2002, 8:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doper-diplomacy-fall-and-winter-2002/125858/340 "2002-10-08T20:04:48Z")
For what it’s worth, I have been talking with JC (Emperor of the GMs) about running my own game. This would be a standard Dip game, but with Italy having a second fleet in Rome instead of an army. This would give Italy more flexibility and give France less of an edge in the initial diplomacy in the western med. I think two games is my limit, especially GMing for the first time, so it would definitely wait until after either 1040 or 1046 is over. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doper-diplomacy-fall-and-winter-2002/125858.md?page=16) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doper-diplomacy-fall-and-winter-2002/125858.md?page=18)