# Doper Diplomacy - Fall and Winter 2002 **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [August 28, 2002, 1:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doper-diplomacy-fall-and-winter-2002/125858 "2002-08-28T01:21:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 23
**Author:** ![Weirddave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/919ad9/32.png) [@Weirddave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Weirddave)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2002, 2:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doper-diplomacy-fall-and-winter-2002/125858/441 "2002-10-17T02:50:21Z")
Realpolitik is free as a bird and comes, as stated “With absolutely no warrenty”. It’s simplicity itself to use. Get it [here](http://realpolitik.sourceforge.net/). I’ll send the game file. Nate, when do you want the delay until? I’ll trade you for a delay in 1019, I was busy all day today and will be gone for something like 15 hours tomorrow. ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2002, 3:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doper-diplomacy-fall-and-winter-2002/125858/442 "2002-10-17T03:04:14Z")
Deal. Two days? ---
**Author:** ![Omniscient](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omniscient/32/3290_2.png) [@Omniscient](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omniscient)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2002, 3:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doper-diplomacy-fall-and-winter-2002/125858/443 "2002-10-17T03:20:57Z")
OK, I’ll see what I can get done tonite, **JC** , can you set me up with the server access? I see **WD** already has a folder, I’ll just stick it there. ---
**Author:** ![Omniscient](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omniscient/32/3290_2.png) [@Omniscient](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omniscient)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2002, 4:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doper-diplomacy-fall-and-winter-2002/125858/444 "2002-10-17T04:49:43Z")
Question for Nate: OK, I’m not familiar with the whole Cat23 thing, but I’ve looked at your page and you obviously GM alot of Cat23 games. whats the deal? How does the naming/numbering scheme work? What about our games, they seem to follow the numbering scheme, but if we’re not Cat23, why is that? ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2002, 9:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doper-diplomacy-fall-and-winter-2002/125858/445 "2002-10-17T09:39:32Z")
How you become a Cat23 game is, the GM goes to their website (see the link at the top of the page) and applies for a number, which automatically gets assigned. And after that, he’s expected to report the results to their listserv as the game progresses. There doesn’t seem to be a requirement that one open up the opportunity to join the game to the Cat23 universe. Dip 1040 is a Cat23 game. ---
**Author:** ![Weirddave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/919ad9/32.png) [@Weirddave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Weirddave)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2002, 12:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doper-diplomacy-fall-and-winter-2002/125858/446 "2002-10-17T12:13:21Z")
So is 1046. Omni, do you still want the RP file since WL sent you all of the jpegs? ---
**Author:** ![Go\_alien](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/9d8465/32.png) [@Go\_alien](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Go_alien)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2002, 12:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doper-diplomacy-fall-and-winter-2002/125858/447 "2002-10-17T12:54:05Z")
OK, coming in cold, so here goes. There appear to be three contenders, Russia, France and Turkey. It suits Russia and France to deal with England, Russia and Turkey to deal with Austria and France and Turkey to deal with Italy. The other three powers cannot help each other enough to slow down a three-power juggernaut but they can affect the outcome by alliances with the one or other big powers. Italy-Turkey is an obvious possibility. **England** : The F (Edinburgh was the wrong build, unless you’ve come to an arrangement with France. Given France’s move to the Channel, I don’t think you have. I think a bold French move (see below) could scupper you. You should get something from Scandinavia, but it will delay rather than prevent the inevitable. \*\*France \*\*: Despite the Italian army in Marseilles, you are still very strongly placed. Block the Italians and finish off the English. Russia will be desperate for help there. Then go for Italy. Hopefully, Russia and Turkey will have fallen out by then, leaving you untroubled to stomp Italy, which should leave you to complete your set of 17 supply centres from Russia’s German holdings. Easy peasy, lemon squeezy. My moves would be: A (Belgium) to Wales, F (Picardy) to Belgium supported by A (Ruhr), F (Liverpool) to Clyde. Aggressive but should speed up the destruction of England. \*\*Germany \*\*: :::Knock, knock::: Hello? Hello? Hello? Is there anybody in there? (Cue Pink Floyd, Comfortably Numb) \*\*Italy \*\*: Make friends with Turkey ASAP to keep them of your back, for now. I think the French can block you forever while dealing with England, so you need some help from somewhere. England is your best bet. A good, aggressive move next turn is A (Marseilles) to Burgundy using F (GoL) to block the French out of Marseilles. But I think France will build in Paris and drive you back, eventually. Little to do except hang in there. \*\*Austria \*\*: Grim times ahead. I think you can wave goodbye to Trieste and Budapest as well as Rumania this year. So, remember the famous fighting words of Uncle Klemens – “Surrender” and “Next!” \*\*Russia \*\*: Fighting on two fronts with no mutual support. You should get a lot out of Austria (Budapest as well as Rumania), even without Turkish help, but may lose ground against England. You don’t have enough units in the north should England and France stop fighting; fortunately that’s a tad unlikely. You need France to help you out and are vulnerable to a Turkish stab. France is the better long term bet – it’s harder for you to stab each other. Move A (Ukraine) to or build in Sevastopol unless you absolutely trust the Turks. And would you trust a man who wears silk slippers – out of doors? \*\*Turkey \*\*: You are currently the strongest but only marginally. France is coming up fast on the outside. Your “Make the Balkans Muslim” campaign is effectively unopposed by Austria, with Trieste falling next. (A (Serbia) to Trieste is most aggressive, but leaves you weakish in the Balkans, F (Albania) is safer but puts the wrong unit type into Trieste.) You are also well placed to pick up something against Italy as well. Keep Russia sweet, fill your boots in Austria and maybe pick something up against Italy. Of the three major powers only you have one opponent. You can pick your next. Russia is open to stabbing, but you’ll have to be quick, the next Russian build should be in Sevastopol to block you. I’d convoy A (Constantinople) straight in to make a good stab. My seriously aggressive moves would be: A (Constantinople) to Sevastopol, A (Bulgaria) to Rumania supported by A (Serbia), F (Albania) to Trieste supported by F (Adriatic). Two out of three as a minimum. It seems that silk slippers are the footwear of the moment. * * * Go alien – whose day job is to analyse businesses, not strategy. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2002, 1:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doper-diplomacy-fall-and-winter-2002/125858/448 "2002-10-17T13:01:35Z")
Omni - I recommend having Dave send you the RealPolitik file. It’s easy to use, and to go back and forth through the game history. It’s got all the maps after every turn, including before and after retreats. It’s got all the move orders and results for each move. That way, you don’t have to worry about where all the files are, or in what form - it’s all there, wrapped up in a bow. The maps are in Bitmap format, so if you want to upload them, you’ll want to convert to Jpeg, but that’s no speedbump. The RealPolitik software (see Dave’s link) didn’t take me terribly long to download over a modem connection; it’s not a huge program. ---
**Author:** ![Omniscient](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omniscient/32/3290_2.png) [@Omniscient](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omniscient)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2002, 10:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doper-diplomacy-fall-and-winter-2002/125858/449 "2002-10-17T22:07:02Z")
Yeah, send me the Realpolitick file. ---
**Author:** ![White\_Lightning](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f04885/32.png) [@White\_Lightning](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/White_Lightning)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2002, 12:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doper-diplomacy-fall-and-winter-2002/125858/450 "2002-10-18T00:51:18Z")
Dave, would you send me the RP file too? Thank you. **Go alien** : you hush. Currently the strongest? Count those SCs, please! I’ve only got 6 to France’s 8 and Russia’s 7. France took 3 in 1901! And I’m wedged down here in the corner. At least I’ve got the Black now, though. Just repeat after me, and remember this mantra: _France is the board leader and must be stopped_. ---
**Author:** ![Abe\_Babe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3ab097/32.png) [@Abe\_Babe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Abe_Babe)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2002, 3:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doper-diplomacy-fall-and-winter-2002/125858/451 "2002-10-18T03:10:28Z")
Game Leader!! Game Leader! Get Him!!! ---
**Author:** ![ShibbOleth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/848f3c/32.png) [@ShibbOleth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShibbOleth)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2002, 4:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doper-diplomacy-fall-and-winter-2002/125858/452 "2002-10-18T04:10:50Z")
Hey **Abe** , wanna dogpile on Turkey? PS This thread is getting farking enormous. ---
**Author:** ![White\_Lightning](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f04885/32.png) [@White\_Lightning](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/White_Lightning)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2002, 4:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doper-diplomacy-fall-and-winter-2002/125858/453 "2002-10-18T04:35:32Z")
Yeah, I was just thinking that same thing, **Shibb**. About the thread getting big, of course. Nobody should pay any attention to Turkey. Turkey isn’t doing anything at all. You are getting very sleepy… ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2002, 11:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doper-diplomacy-fall-and-winter-2002/125858/454 "2002-10-18T11:52:02Z")
Map’s at the first link below. We need a retreat from Austria. [Cat23 Diplomacy Game Free State 10(W-)40](http://www.wooleysark.com/dip/rtfirefly/) page. [Cat23](http://www.cat23.com/cat23/) and [diplom.org](http://www.diplom.org/) pages. And [the official Dip rules](http://www.hasbro.com/instruct/Diplomacy.PDF), in PDF format. ---
**Author:** ![Abe\_Babe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3ab097/32.png) [@Abe\_Babe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Abe_Babe)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2002, 1:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doper-diplomacy-fall-and-winter-2002/125858/455 "2002-10-18T13:30:20Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by ShibbOleth \* > \*\*Hey **Abe** , wanna dogpile on Turkey? > > PS This thread is getting farking enormous. \*\* Believe me, **ShibbO** , that’s exactly what I’m trying to do. Oh. Did you mean in Dip 1046? My bad. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2002, 1:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doper-diplomacy-fall-and-winter-2002/125858/456 "2002-10-18T13:57:51Z")
In Dip 1040, the Austrian A Armenia has retreated to Sevastopol. That completes Spring 1905; map will be updated tonight. ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2002, 8:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doper-diplomacy-fall-and-winter-2002/125858/457 "2002-10-18T20:18:06Z")
Anyone want to see a great opening? Take a look at what Germany pulled off in Dip ‘Snappy’ 1053. [http://www.wooleysark.com/dip/1053](http://www.wooleysark.com/dip/1053) And all in one year! ---
**Author:** ![Abe\_Babe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3ab097/32.png) [@Abe\_Babe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Abe_Babe)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2002, 9:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doper-diplomacy-fall-and-winter-2002/125858/458 "2002-10-18T21:41:23Z")
Stellar start for the Kaiser. He has managed to hamstring France, which is all well and good. But he pissed off Russia, and for what? Hopefully for him England will join in dismantling France, rather than ally with Russia to knock down Germany. He also has his diplomacy work cut out for him in the south, as he needs for Turkey and Austria to pressure Russia so it can’t retaliate. I reviewed Dip 1035-Labor Law. Sadly, the replacement Archduke has not fared too well, and is back to 3 centers. I always like to see an offbeat move, even if it doesn’t work. ---
**Author:** ![ppg\_shg](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/f19dbf/32.png) [@ppg\_shg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ppg_shg)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2002, 9:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doper-diplomacy-fall-and-winter-2002/125858/459 "2002-10-18T21:43:37Z")
Abe, what happened to your freaking game? Did Kathy take away your computer privileges so you would actually work or spend time with your family? The horror. Times do look grim for Austria, so I need something to to do. ---
**Author:** ![ShibbOleth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/848f3c/32.png) [@ShibbOleth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShibbOleth)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2002, 10:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doper-diplomacy-fall-and-winter-2002/125858/460 "2002-10-18T22:00:19Z")
Well, **Abe** , I’m sorry to see that your Armenian Army retreated to Sevastopol instead of OTB, but I guess one can’t have everything. Welcome to Constantinople by the way. Please remove your shoes as we’ve just waxed all the floors. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doper-diplomacy-fall-and-winter-2002/125858.md?page=22) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doper-diplomacy-fall-and-winter-2002/125858.md?page=24)