# Doper Diplomacy - Winter-Spring 2003 **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [February 5, 2003, 9:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doper-diplomacy-winter-spring-2003/153052 "2003-02-05T21:52:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![White\_Lightning](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f04885/32.png) [@White\_Lightning](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/White_Lightning)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2003, 5:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doper-diplomacy-winter-spring-2003/153052/41 "2003-02-07T05:34:49Z")
The plan is to follow the Wooley Time Table[sup]TM[/sup]. Spring due Tuesday night, Fall due Thursday night, Winter due Friday night. Starting approximately 1902. 1901 turns get more time. Unless I hear differently I’ll assume we’re going forward with that. I really don’t like having a different schedule every week. I suppose I could get a calendar if I had to. Yes, **Abe** , and our toilet water flows differently over here as well. Thank you **Omni**. ---
**Author:** ![White\_Lightning](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f04885/32.png) [@White\_Lightning](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/White_Lightning)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2003, 5:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doper-diplomacy-winter-spring-2003/153052/42 "2003-02-07T05:37:42Z")
Regarding country preferences and assignments: If two people request the same first choice, is it more fair to a) give it to neither of them and give them both their second choice, or b) give it to one of them. My first thought was that “a” was clearly correct. Give both players their second choice and they’ve been treated equally fairly. But then I realized that the result of that is that one of the non-preference giving players would end up with that country, having not expressed a preference for it at ALL, and that that is unfair to both the players having chosen that country as their first choice. Am I making sense? But then of course the question becomes, which of the players choosing that country as their top choice should get it. Picking one of them randomly seems obvious but not quite right. ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2003, 2:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doper-diplomacy-winter-spring-2003/153052/43 "2003-02-07T14:17:30Z")
I always go by who requested it first. But that’s just me. ---
**Author:** ![Omniscient](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omniscient/32/3290_2.png) [@Omniscient](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omniscient)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2003, 2:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doper-diplomacy-winter-spring-2003/153052/44 "2003-02-07T14:35:12Z")
When I did mine I determined it based on availablilty of second choice. If one person’s second choice was unavailable I gave them the first choice, netting everyone the highest possible ranked power. In other words: Player 1: F E I G T R A Player 2: F G T I R A E Player 3: E T R I G A F etc… Presuming no one selected G as their first choice, I’d give player 1 France and Player 2 Germany and Player 3 England. But, all things being equal I’d flip a coin and give it to one of them. ---
**Author:** ![Weirddave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/919ad9/32.png) [@Weirddave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Weirddave)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2003, 4:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doper-diplomacy-winter-spring-2003/153052/45 "2003-02-07T16:54:00Z")
Hey Jon, you ever notice these rookie GMs _think_ too much? ---
**Author:** ![Wikkit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/c0e974/32.png) [@Wikkit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wikkit)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2003, 4:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doper-diplomacy-winter-spring-2003/153052/46 "2003-02-07T16:55:37Z")
I’m here, woo. I was offline yesterday, it won’t happen again as long as the game is running. My preferences: Any country, standard rules, one week sounds fine. I’d be more than happy to help with the HTML. I have [hepjet.com](http://hepjet.com), [jjabc.net](http://jjabc.net), and [wikkit.com](http://wikkit.com); I’d prefer it went on [wikkit.com](http://wikkit.com) (unless you already have a space for it). Ben/Wikkit ---
**Author:** ![White\_Lightning](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f04885/32.png) [@White\_Lightning](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/White_Lightning)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2003, 6:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doper-diplomacy-winter-spring-2003/153052/47 "2003-02-07T18:08:17Z")
That’s 7. I’ve got 4 preference lists and 3 declarations of non-preference. I can _almost_ do assignments from memory, but I’ll do them tonight from home just to be sure. Expect to see those emails by 7pm PST, and then the Dipping will begin. Deadline for S01 set at Friday, February 14th, 7pm PST. ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2003, 6:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doper-diplomacy-winter-spring-2003/153052/48 "2003-02-07T18:17:15Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Weirddave \* > \*\*Hey Jon, you ever notice these rookie GMs _think_ too much? \*\* Yep, that’s what makes them so dang cute! ---
**Author:** ![ppg\_shg](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/f19dbf/32.png) [@ppg\_shg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ppg_shg)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2003, 7:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doper-diplomacy-winter-spring-2003/153052/49 "2003-02-07T19:20:41Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Jonathan Chance \* > \*\*I always go by who requested it first. > > But that’s just me. \*\* Except for Abe Babe, he always gets Italy. ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2003, 7:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doper-diplomacy-winter-spring-2003/153052/50 "2003-02-07T19:41:34Z")
Yeah, but like _Jaws IV_, it’s personal. ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2003, 7:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doper-diplomacy-winter-spring-2003/153052/51 "2003-02-07T19:42:43Z")
And that’s my 4000th post, folks! ---
**Author:** ![White\_Lightning](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f04885/32.png) [@White\_Lightning](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/White_Lightning)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2003, 10:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doper-diplomacy-winter-spring-2003/153052/52 "2003-02-07T22:51:39Z")
No better place for it, **JC**. ---
**Author:** ![ShibbOleth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/848f3c/32.png) [@ShibbOleth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShibbOleth)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2003, 11:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doper-diplomacy-winter-spring-2003/153052/53 "2003-02-07T23:20:18Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Wikkit \* > \*\*I’m here, woo. I was offline yesterday, it won’t happen again as long as the game is running. > > Ben/Wikkit \*\* Oh, I’m sorry **Wikkit** , there’s already a Ben in this game. It’s an esoteric but important rule that we can allow be violated. So you’ll just have to sit on the sidelines and wait for the next one. ---
**Author:** ![Wikkit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/c0e974/32.png) [@Wikkit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wikkit)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2003, 12:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doper-diplomacy-winter-spring-2003/153052/54 "2003-02-08T00:17:02Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by ShibbOleth \* > \*\*Oh, I’m sorry **Wikkit** , there’s already a Ben in this game. It’s an esoteric but important rule that we can allow be violated. So you’ll just have to sit on the sidelines and wait for the next one. \*\* A pity you declined to play, **Shibb** , or you’d get to find out if it’s possible to fit a jackboot in your eyesocket. How’s that? I haven’t played a trash talking game in a while. ---
**Author:** ![Abe\_Babe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3ab097/32.png) [@Abe\_Babe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Abe_Babe)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2003, 1:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doper-diplomacy-winter-spring-2003/153052/55 "2003-02-08T01:31:08Z")
The other option. . . **Wikkit** for game purposes, we’ll have to call you Jennifer. ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2003, 2:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doper-diplomacy-winter-spring-2003/153052/56 "2003-02-08T02:24:17Z")
Yet another Evil Jenny. ---
**Author:** ![Wikkit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/c0e974/32.png) [@Wikkit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wikkit)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2003, 2:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doper-diplomacy-winter-spring-2003/153052/57 "2003-02-08T02:26:50Z")
From the mouths of **Babe** ’s comes… nothing, because there was plenty of jackboots to go around. ---
**Author:** ![Abe\_Babe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3ab097/32.png) [@Abe\_Babe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Abe_Babe)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2003, 3:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doper-diplomacy-winter-spring-2003/153052/58 "2003-02-08T03:02:47Z")
Awwww, look. The puppet thinks he’s a real boy. You made the list, pal. ---
**Author:** ![White\_Lightning](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f04885/32.png) [@White\_Lightning](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/White_Lightning)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2003, 4:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doper-diplomacy-winter-spring-2003/153052/59 "2003-02-08T04:11:34Z")
Okay, well, **Omni** ’s method wasn’t going to work the way the lists came in so I went with **JC** ’s. Country assignments are as follows: Austria: **Wikkit** England: **Omniscient** France: **Abe Babe** Germany: **tjblack** Italy: **ppg\_shg** Russia: **BiblioVore** Turkey: **Jonathan Chance** Email soon to follow. Gentlemen, begin your Dipping! Spring 1901 deadline is next Friday, February 14th, 7 pm Pacific/10 pm Eastern. When you are sending orders, _PLEASE_ include the game number (1099), your Power, and the season for which you are submitting orders _in the subject line_. This will make it much easier for me to pick out the emails that are for this game. Please use my primary email address: [amolochko@attbi.com](mailto:amolochko@attbi.com). If there are any difficulties with email, my alternate address is [inthetank2001@yahoo.com](mailto:inthetank2001@yahoo.com). Please feel free to submit preliminary orders ahead of time. In the case of mis-typed or improper orders, I will correct for obvious typos (unless it would create uncertainty) but other than that I will not fix problems. Please double-check your orders. Good luck and happy dipping. ---
**Author:** ![White\_Lightning](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f04885/32.png) [@White\_Lightning](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/White_Lightning)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2003, 4:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doper-diplomacy-winter-spring-2003/153052/60 "2003-02-08T04:54:28Z")
Interestingly enough, the three countries left after the four players with lists got their first or second choices were Austria, Italy, and Turkey. What colors are the cat treats I’ve got? Red, yellow, and green. Spooky. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doper-diplomacy-winter-spring-2003/153052.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doper-diplomacy-winter-spring-2003/153052.md?page=4)