# Doper Diplomacy - Winter-Spring 2003 **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [February 5, 2003, 9:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doper-diplomacy-winter-spring-2003/153052 "2003-02-05T21:52:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2003, 2:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doper-diplomacy-winter-spring-2003/153052/61 "2003-02-09T14:25:54Z")
I think you’re reading a little too much into this, Lightnin’. When do you think we get smacked down for having the entire front page of MPSIMS be Diplomacy threads? ---
**Author:** ![ShibbOleth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/848f3c/32.png) [@ShibbOleth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShibbOleth)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2003, 3:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doper-diplomacy-winter-spring-2003/153052/62 "2003-02-09T15:03:19Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Wikkit \* > \*\*A pity you declined to play, **Shibb** , or you’d get to find out if it’s possible to fit a jackboot in your eyesocket. > How’s that? I haven’t played a trash talking game in a while. \*\* That’s most excellent, **Wikkit** , but as I see that you’ve lucked into Austria from the start I recommend that you reserve most of your smack for me, a non-participant, for now. Since you’re going to need all of your sycophantic skillz to keep your neighbors from ripping you to shreds as a matter of course. (Who’s the twisted sadist that let the (only?) newbie in the game draw Austria?) ---
**Author:** ![Abe\_Babe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3ab097/32.png) [@Abe\_Babe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Abe_Babe)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2003, 5:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doper-diplomacy-winter-spring-2003/153052/63 "2003-02-09T17:54:40Z")
It was Lightnings, cat. Is his name Schroedinger, by any chance? ---
**Author:** ![Wikkit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/c0e974/32.png) [@Wikkit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wikkit)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2003, 9:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doper-diplomacy-winter-spring-2003/153052/64 "2003-02-09T21:17:37Z")
Thanks, **Shibb** , it does look to be interesting. Barely a day in and I’m trying to figure out how trust is supposed to work. **Abe** , you should post you opening press here. I thought it was amusing, and I’m sure the the people who haven’t played against you would as well. ---
**Author:** ![Wikkit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/c0e974/32.png) [@Wikkit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wikkit)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2003, 10:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doper-diplomacy-winter-spring-2003/153052/65 "2003-02-09T22:12:19Z")
Is it a coincidence that tj **black** is playing Germany, or a sign? ---
**Author:** ![Abe\_Babe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3ab097/32.png) [@Abe\_Babe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Abe_Babe)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2003, 10:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doper-diplomacy-winter-spring-2003/153052/66 "2003-02-09T22:29:46Z")
> [@](#): > > Dear [insert country here] > > I realize that in Dip [insert number] when I was > [insert my country from that game], I said we could be > allies, and whispered sweet nothings into your ear. > Then in [insert game year] I turned my back on the > alliance and went for your jugular by taking [insert > your home centers] > > I just want to let bygones be bygones. With me as > [France] and you as [enter your country] we can work > very well together. [Insert our common neighbor] is a > powerful player, and could cause us both a lot of > trouble. I hear [insert common neighbor] is allied > with [insert our common neighbor’s neighbor which is > adjacent to neither of us]. We are best to strike > when the iron is hot. > > Premier Abe Babe This was my first communication to each of the six other players. ---
**Author:** ![Bibliovore](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7ba0ec/32.png) [@Bibliovore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bibliovore)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2003, 11:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doper-diplomacy-winter-spring-2003/153052/67 "2003-02-09T23:21:52Z")
Hmmmm… Russia, eh? Eeeeexcellent… ---
**Author:** ![ShibbOleth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/848f3c/32.png) [@ShibbOleth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShibbOleth)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2003, 11:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doper-diplomacy-winter-spring-2003/153052/68 "2003-02-09T23:56:39Z")
DIAS: _5:8_ France: **Abe Babe** _4:1_ England: **Omniscient** _7:1_ Russia: **BiblioVore** _12:1_ Germany: **tjblack** _30:1_ Turkey: **Jonathan Chance** _125:1_ Italy: **ppg\_shg** _225:1_ Austria: **Wikkit** _500:1_ There are also some interesting side bets available, if anyone is interested (first stab, first alliance, round when **WhiteLightning** screws up an adjudication, first one out, second out, number of countries involved in event of a DIAS, etc). ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2003, 12:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doper-diplomacy-winter-spring-2003/153052/69 "2003-02-10T00:56:41Z")
Oh, you’ll pay for that, Shibb. You’ll pay. Or am I downgraded because I’m surrounded by rookies? ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2003, 12:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doper-diplomacy-winter-spring-2003/153052/70 "2003-02-10T00:57:55Z")
Oh… Look, everyone! Abe’s the favorite! ---
**Author:** ![PigArcher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/bcef8e/32.png) [@PigArcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PigArcher)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2003, 1:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doper-diplomacy-winter-spring-2003/153052/71 "2003-02-10T01:21:37Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by ShibbOleth \* > Germany: **tjblack** _30:1_ 30:1? See I’m not a threat. Can’t we all just get along? ---
**Author:** ![ShibbOleth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/848f3c/32.png) [@ShibbOleth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShibbOleth)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2003, 2:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doper-diplomacy-winter-spring-2003/153052/72 "2003-02-10T02:00:48Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Jonathan Chance \* > \*\*Oh… > > Look, everyone! Abe’s the favorite! \*\* Actually, DIAS is the favorite. But at least you’re now looking at it from the proper perspective. I wasn’t certain whether Russia was also a rookie, in which case that would positively influence your odds. Of course Russia and Austria could just decide that they’re afraid of you and make it their life’s work to take you out. I also wasn’t sure about zee German’s experience. If he’s a (Dip) newbie his odds go way up. I’ll try to update these after every round so that we can track your progress. ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2003, 2:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doper-diplomacy-winter-spring-2003/153052/73 "2003-02-10T02:11:49Z")
So then why do I…the single most experienced player on the SDMB…get 125-1!!! Explain yourself, foul Ohioan. ---
**Author:** ![ShibbOleth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/848f3c/32.png) [@ShibbOleth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShibbOleth)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2003, 3:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doper-diplomacy-winter-spring-2003/153052/74 "2003-02-10T03:08:19Z")
Well, I _was_ trying to help you by focusing all of the attention on France and England, but if you insist on standing here yelling “Look at me! I’m the one you should fear!” then by all means go right ahead. Plus they are experienced _and_ start with a stronger position. When the book starts getting some action I’m guessing that 125:1 is going to look like a steal. I’d be surprised if it didn’t drop down below 50:1 by Friday. ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2003, 3:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doper-diplomacy-winter-spring-2003/153052/75 "2003-02-10T03:17:59Z")
Ah, maybe I’m still bitter. Or testy. Or bidding on ebay. Or something. ---
**Author:** ![Weirddave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/919ad9/32.png) [@Weirddave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Weirddave)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2003, 3:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doper-diplomacy-winter-spring-2003/153052/76 "2003-02-10T03:26:39Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Jonathan Chance \* > \*\*So then why do I…the single most experienced player on the SDMB…get 125-1!!! > > \*\* It’s a good thing you didn’t say “single best” or we might have had words, mountain boy! 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Bibliovore](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7ba0ec/32.png) [@Bibliovore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bibliovore)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2003, 12:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doper-diplomacy-winter-spring-2003/153052/77 "2003-02-10T12:48:37Z")
Is there a website for our game? It would be really useful if we could all be looking at the same map somewhere to keep track of all the moves and starting positions… ---
**Author:** ![Abe\_Babe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3ab097/32.png) [@Abe\_Babe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Abe_Babe)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2003, 3:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doper-diplomacy-winter-spring-2003/153052/78 "2003-02-10T15:03:13Z")
Odds favorite?!?!? Who are you kidding? I’m a moron. I have the Diplomatic finesse of Chamberlain. Ask anybody who knows me. **Biblio** there will almost certainly be a web page set up, most likely with the history of this game. Just wait for it. In the meantime, for a starting map, try some of the links in **Omni’s** noob game. They have several varieties of starting maps. If you still need one by tonight, send me an email and I can send an opening map to you. Who knows, I might even make it accurate. ---
**Author:** ![ShibbOleth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/848f3c/32.png) [@ShibbOleth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShibbOleth)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2003, 3:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doper-diplomacy-winter-spring-2003/153052/79 "2003-02-10T15:13:30Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Abe Babe \* > \*\*Odds favorite?!?!? > > Who are you kidding? I’m a moron. I have the Diplomatic finesse of Chamberlain. Ask anybody who knows me. > > \*\* Yes, this is true. But you have the cunning of Rommel and the disposition of Sherman. ---
**Author:** ![Abe\_Babe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3ab097/32.png) [@Abe\_Babe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Abe_Babe)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2003, 3:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doper-diplomacy-winter-spring-2003/153052/80 "2003-02-10T15:25:40Z")
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