# Doper Diplomacy - Winter-Spring 2003 **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [February 5, 2003, 9:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doper-diplomacy-winter-spring-2003/153052 "2003-02-05T21:52:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![ShibbOleth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/848f3c/32.png) [@ShibbOleth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShibbOleth)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2003, 2:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doper-diplomacy-winter-spring-2003/153052/101 "2003-02-11T02:53:55Z")
Hey, **WL** , if there’s going to be all sorts of nasty white press, can you put me on the distribution. **JC** : have you been reading Maurice Sendak to your daughter at bedtime again? ---
**Author:** ![Bibliovore](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7ba0ec/32.png) [@Bibliovore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bibliovore)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2003, 11:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doper-diplomacy-winter-spring-2003/153052/102 "2003-02-11T11:31:37Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by White Lightning \* > \*\*Ah, jeepers. This _would_ have to happen in my first game. Alright, everyone, look for an email from me as well. \*\* I’ve read the email to all of us, and I’d like to toss in my two cents, if I could. First of all, I’ve gone through all of the emails I’ve received from other players, and it _looks_ like all of them are genuine. :dubious: Secondly, my address is [bibliophage@hotmail.com](mailto:bibliophage@hotmail.com). If you get an email claiming to be from Russia, but the address doesn’t match the one I’ve just given, then it ain’t from me. Finally, I vote that we keep playing. Now that the offender has been smoked out, he/she isn’t likely to try it again. Plus the game hasn’t even really begun yet. We haven’t even given our first set of orders, so I don’t think it’s been damaged beyond repair. I 'm certainly having a lot of fun here, and it would be a shame to quit before we even got started. How do the rest of you feel? Shall we keep going? ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2003, 1:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doper-diplomacy-winter-spring-2003/153052/103 "2003-02-11T13:33:50Z")
The offender ain’t been smoked out yet. I have no idea who the offender is. I was just riffing off the previous emails. Dammit. It better not be a regular. ---
**Author:** ![Abe\_Babe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3ab097/32.png) [@Abe\_Babe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Abe_Babe)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2003, 3:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doper-diplomacy-winter-spring-2003/153052/104 "2003-02-11T15:44:15Z")
If he’s not regular, maybe that’s why he’s so grumpy. **WL** - ‘jeepers’? When did you turn 70 years old? ---
**Author:** ![ppg\_shg](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/f19dbf/32.png) [@ppg\_shg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ppg_shg)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2003, 4:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doper-diplomacy-winter-spring-2003/153052/105 "2003-02-11T16:16:11Z")
Well as I posted in my round table e-mail, I have no real idea what is going on. Without more information, how can any of us make an educated decision as to what to do? How do I know how much the game’s been compromised? I know that I haven’t sent out any impersonating e-mail, but since no one’s come clean, now I’m beginning to worry that I sent out an e-mail in 1099, when it should have been in sent in Minime (England) or the World Tourney (Russia). I don’t think I’ve done this, and if I had, it wouldn’t make any sense anyway. Are we supposed to be actively engaging in Dip in 1099 or is it shutdown until a decision has ben made? Quite frankly, I’m leery of discussing the game with anyone except those with whom I’ve had dealings before, but that doesn’t seem fair to all the other newcomers, and it seems to tilt the game unnaturally. ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2003, 4:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doper-diplomacy-winter-spring-2003/153052/106 "2003-02-11T16:19:08Z")
And thus we see the chaos. ---
**Author:** ![garius](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e19b73/32.png) [@garius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/garius)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2003, 4:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doper-diplomacy-winter-spring-2003/153052/107 "2003-02-11T16:42:39Z")
And out of chaos rises a new nation to rule you all. **Victory to the Welsh!** ---
**Author:** ![Wikkit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/c0e974/32.png) [@Wikkit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wikkit)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2003, 4:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doper-diplomacy-winter-spring-2003/153052/108 "2003-02-11T16:51:49Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by ppg\_shg \* > **I know that I haven’t sent out any impersonating e-mail, but since no one’s come clean, now I’m beginning to worry that I sent out an e-mail in 1099, when it should have been in sent in Minime (England) or the World Tourney (Russia). I don’t think I’ve done this, and if I had, it wouldn’t make any sense anyway.** Don’t worry, it was definitely an impersonating e-mail, not a mistaken message to the wrong game. I vote we continue with the game. I doubt that it will happen again now that I’ve made such a fuss about it. ---
**Author:** ![ppg\_shg](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/f19dbf/32.png) [@ppg\_shg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ppg_shg)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2003, 4:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doper-diplomacy-winter-spring-2003/153052/109 "2003-02-11T16:52:19Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Jonathan Chance \* > \*\*And thus we see the chaos. \*\* Dog-bowl chaos. ---
**Author:** ![Abe\_Babe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3ab097/32.png) [@Abe\_Babe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Abe_Babe)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2003, 4:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doper-diplomacy-winter-spring-2003/153052/110 "2003-02-11T16:59:03Z")
I confess. I’ve been living a lie. I told all of you that I am France. Well, I’ve been fooling all of you, especially White Lightning. I’m really playing all of the non-territory islands. . . Ireland, Iceland, Sicily, etc. I feel so dirty. I think White Lightning wants the perp to 'fess up, at least to him, if not publicly. I don’t know what will happen if he doesn’t. ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2003, 5:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doper-diplomacy-winter-spring-2003/153052/111 "2003-02-11T17:00:35Z")
Seeth Seeth ---
**Author:** ![Wikkit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/c0e974/32.png) [@Wikkit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wikkit)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2003, 5:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doper-diplomacy-winter-spring-2003/153052/112 "2003-02-11T17:08:52Z")
**JC** : You had the most negative reaction of all the people who broadcast; if the person "'fess "'s up to our GM and promises to not do it again, can we continue playing? The action didn’t hurt you any; hell, it didn’t even hurt me any and I was the one it was directed to. ---
**Author:** ![Bibliovore](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7ba0ec/32.png) [@Bibliovore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bibliovore)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2003, 5:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doper-diplomacy-winter-spring-2003/153052/113 "2003-02-11T17:46:38Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Jonathan Chance \* > \*\*Seeth Seeth \*\* Eh? Whazzat? 😕 ---
**Author:** ![Wikkit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/c0e974/32.png) [@Wikkit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wikkit)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2003, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doper-diplomacy-winter-spring-2003/153052/114 "2003-02-11T18:01:44Z")
Never seen someone seethe? ---
**Author:** ![Abe\_Babe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3ab097/32.png) [@Abe\_Babe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Abe_Babe)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2003, 6:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doper-diplomacy-winter-spring-2003/153052/115 "2003-02-11T18:29:29Z")
Forseeth, forseeth! Methinks yon noble lord dost angereth muchly. ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2003, 7:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doper-diplomacy-winter-spring-2003/153052/116 "2003-02-11T19:27:21Z")
And bury the bastards in our Turkish dead! ---
**Author:** ![White\_Lightning](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f04885/32.png) [@White\_Lightning](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/White_Lightning)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2003, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doper-diplomacy-winter-spring-2003/153052/117 "2003-02-11T20:07:14Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by \*\*Abe Babe \*\*\* > I think White Lightning wants the perp to 'fess up, at least to him, if not publicly. I don’t know what will happen if he doesn’t. Precisely. I don’t quite know what will happen if he doesn’t, either. I had hoped to keep it somewhat off the boards, but oh well. The situation is that some person (or persons) wrote more than one email posing as another player – going so far as to create an email account that looked similar to that of the player being impersonated. Look – _my_ position is no harm, no foul. It wasn’t very clever, it certainly was borderline unethical, but I’m more than willing to chalk it up to a simple misunderstanding and move on. _IF_ the offender comes clean, so that we can clear up the miscommunication and establish the ground rules. Absent that, well… I don’t know. I’m hoping it doesn’t come to that. **ppg\_shg** , you’re certainly free as far as I’m concerned to communicate amongst yourselves to whatever extent you feel comfortable with. All I’m saying is that I as the GM won’t proceed until we get this matter cleared up. ---
**Author:** ![White\_Lightning](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f04885/32.png) [@White\_Lightning](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/White_Lightning)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2003, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doper-diplomacy-winter-spring-2003/153052/118 "2003-02-11T20:31:59Z")
And, in case I didn’t make this clear, there will be no recriminations, no punishment, nothing of the sort. As far as I’m concerned. Just let me know, privately if desired, that it was you who made the mistake, and we can move ahead with the game and with our lives. ---
**Author:** ![ppg\_shg](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/f19dbf/32.png) [@ppg\_shg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ppg_shg)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2003, 8:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doper-diplomacy-winter-spring-2003/153052/119 "2003-02-11T20:38:01Z")
I feel that the players are entitled to know–who received the email (I gather Austria), from whom it was sent, who was being impersonated, what the fake email address is, and what was said. Hell for all I know I could be communicating with the fake as well. I know at least one person set up a separate account from the usual account. ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2003, 8:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doper-diplomacy-winter-spring-2003/153052/120 "2003-02-11T20:55:42Z")
Yeah, I’d be halfway tempted to restart. How do you re-establish trust in the communications? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doper-diplomacy-winter-spring-2003/153052.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doper-diplomacy-winter-spring-2003/153052.md?page=7)