# Doper Heisman Poll **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [December 5, 2010, 12:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doper-heisman-poll/562981 "2010-12-05T00:11:35Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 12\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![armedmonkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/d6d6ee/32.png) [@armedmonkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/armedmonkey)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2010, 1:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doper-heisman-poll/562981/41 "2010-12-11T01:10:48Z")
> [@quixotic78](#): > > iBut I refuse to believe that Cecil Newton turned down $180,000 for his son to play at Mississippi State to play for $0.00 at Auburn. This has been explained to you several times, but you just aren’t getting it. Cecil Newton did not turn down money. Mississippi State didn’t _offer_ any. Rogers asked for cash, and MSU turned _them_ down. Got it? Now, is it still hard to understand why someone would turn down an offer of $0 to play for $0? ---
**Author:** ![Lamar\_Mundane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/85f322/32.png) [@Lamar\_Mundane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lamar_Mundane)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2010, 3:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doper-heisman-poll/562981/42 "2010-12-12T03:02:30Z")
They gave Cam Newton the same trophy that Reggie Bush had to return earlier this year. They just scratched off Bush’s name and wrote Newton’s underneath it. Extending a proud tradition… ---
**Author:** ![John\_Carter\_of\_Mars](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/2bfe46/32.png) [@John\_Carter\_of\_Mars](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Carter_of_Mars)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2010, 4:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doper-heisman-poll/562981/43 "2010-12-12T04:57:04Z")
> [@Lamar\_Mundane](#): > > They gave Cam Newton the same trophy that Reggie Bush had to return earlier this year. They just scratched off Bush’s name and wrote Newton’s underneath it. Extending a proud tradition… No similarity between the cases. Reggie Bush got extra benefits, nobody associated with Cam Newton got extra benefits. A USC assistant coach handled the details of delivering the extras. No one at Auburn delivered anything. Reggie Bush was well aware of the extra goodies. Cam Newton knew nothing about his father discussing money with Kenny Rogers. I see that Cam Newton’s name was entered on 93% of the ballots. That’s a very good indication that the voters took time to look at and evaluate the details involved here. ---
**Author:** ![armedmonkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/d6d6ee/32.png) [@armedmonkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/armedmonkey)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2010, 6:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doper-heisman-poll/562981/44 "2010-12-12T06:37:41Z")
> [@Lamar\_Mundane](#): > > They gave Cam Newton the same trophy that Reggie Bush had to return earlier this year. They just scratched off Bush’s name and wrote Newton’s underneath it. Extending a proud tradition… Question: A few years back, did you just assume the Duke Lacrosse players raped that stripper? I think you are bitter, and are prone to rush to judgment. ---
**Author:** ![Lamar\_Mundane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/85f322/32.png) [@Lamar\_Mundane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lamar_Mundane)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2010, 7:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doper-heisman-poll/562981/45 "2010-12-12T07:01:52Z")
> [@A Monkey With a Gun](#): > > Question: A few years back, did you just assume the Duke Lacrosse players raped that stripper? > > I think you are bitter, and are prone to rush to judgment. Duke lacrosse players didn’t have a documented history of raping strippers. Auburn University has a documented history of paying players, admitted by a former coach. > [@](#): > > AUBURN, Ala. – Former Auburn coach Terry Bowden said on tape two years ago that boosters were funneling thousands of dollars to football players when he became coach in 1993, a time when the Tigers already were on NCAA probation. > > “They were paying players cash, $12,000, $15,000 to sign,” Bowden said on a recording reviewed by The Associated Press. "All I was told to do was shake hands and say, ‘Thank you. I appreciate how much you love Auburn.’ " > > Bowden did not make clear whether he reported the payment scheme to the NCAA but said on the tape: “When I came here, I put an end to it.” > > Bowden’s comments were reported Sunday by the Opelika-Auburn News. A columnist taped the comments in a meeting about two years ago, and a copy of the tape was made available to AP. > > Bowden did not return a phone call by the AP to his home in Orlando, Fla. He is a sports commentator for ABC Sports, where spokesman Adam Freifield said Bowden contended the remarks were off the record and had no further comment. > > A statement issued by Auburn questioned why remarks made by Bowden in 2001 are only now being reported. The columnist who taped the comments, Paul Davis, said Tuesday there had been concern that Bowden’s remarks were “off the record” and not for publication. Davis said Bowden has sent him an e-mail encouraging their publication ---
**Author:** ![armedmonkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/d6d6ee/32.png) [@armedmonkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/armedmonkey)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2010, 8:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doper-heisman-poll/562981/46 "2010-12-12T08:46:40Z")
So, it’s still guilty until proven innocent. ---
**Author:** ![notfrommensa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/f14d63/32.png) [@notfrommensa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/notfrommensa)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2010, 3:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doper-heisman-poll/562981/47 "2010-12-12T15:32:42Z")
“Guilty until proven innocent” is what many people with a grudge against the SEC think when an SEC team is under controversy. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Carter\_of\_Mars](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/2bfe46/32.png) [@John\_Carter\_of\_Mars](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Carter_of_Mars)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2010, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doper-heisman-poll/562981/48 "2010-12-12T19:38:51Z")
**Lamar** : I see you conveniently left a date off of your quote. That can’t be because it was at least nine years old, can it? Calling something written by Paul Davis, an acknowledged Auburn hater “a documented fact” is very careless. I mean, if Bowden put a stop to it and Bowden was hired in '93, that means the last payment must have been about 18 years ago, if Bowden isn’t lying. Since the article calls Bowden a sports commentator with a home in Orlando, that would be after Bowden quit coaching at Auburn after being notified that he was going to be fired. That makes this quote of Bowden’s around 12 years old. Why didn’t Bowden speak up in 1993? Another bitter person with no proof is the best guess. ---
**Author:** ![Lamar\_Mundane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/85f322/32.png) [@Lamar\_Mundane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lamar_Mundane)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2010, 8:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doper-heisman-poll/562981/49 "2010-12-12T20:01:39Z")
> [@John\_Carter\_of\_Mars](#): > > **Lamar** : > > I see you conveniently left a date off of your quote. That can’t be because it was at least nine years old, can it? Calling something written by Paul Davis, an acknowledged Auburn hater “a documented fact” is very careless. No, it’s not. It is on tape and Bowden acknowledged it and said it was fine to publicize it. ---
**Author:** ![TheFifthYear](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/958977/32.png) [@TheFifthYear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TheFifthYear)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2010, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doper-heisman-poll/562981/50 "2010-12-12T20:03:49Z")
I liked it better when SEC fans just said “if you ain’t cheating, you ain’t trying” and “it ain’t cheating if you don’t get caught”. This faux-innocent “what, us cheat? Impossible!” head-in-the-sand schtick is a lot less endearing. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Carter\_of\_Mars](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/2bfe46/32.png) [@John\_Carter\_of\_Mars](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Carter_of_Mars)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2010, 8:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doper-heisman-poll/562981/51 "2010-12-12T20:15:38Z")
> [@TheFifthYear](#): > > I liked it better when SEC fans just said “if you ain’t cheating, you ain’t trying” and “it ain’t cheating if you don’t get caught”. > > This faux-innocent “what, us cheat? Impossible!” head-in-the-sand schtick is a lot less endearing. You have a point, but if someone is going to point the finger and yell “CHEATER”, they need to have something more than “it just doesn’t feel quite right”. Such things wouldn’t fly on the SDMB, and certainly don’t fly in an investigation or court case. ---
**Author:** ![armedmonkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/d6d6ee/32.png) [@armedmonkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/armedmonkey)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2010, 9:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doper-heisman-poll/562981/52 "2010-12-12T21:43:37Z")
> [@TheFifthYear](#): > > I liked it better when SEC fans just said “if you ain’t cheating, you ain’t trying” and “it ain’t cheating if you don’t get caught”. > > This faux-innocent “what, us cheat? Impossible!” head-in-the-sand schtick is a lot less endearing. That’s one of the most weasel posts I’ve ever read. “I know we don’t have any evidence, but I would prefer it if you didn’t defend yourself” Weasel post. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doper-heisman-poll/562981.md?page=2)