# Dopers are understanding creatures (until their precious message board has problems) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 18, 2008, 3:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dopers-are-understanding-creatures-until-their-precious-message-board-has-problems/441791 "2008-03-18T15:56:22Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Lobsang](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobsang/32/4067_2.png) [@Lobsang](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobsang)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2008, 5:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dopers-are-understanding-creatures-until-their-precious-message-board-has-problems/441791/21 "2008-03-18T17:12:19Z")
[QUOTE=yojimbo] Err… but that’s not what you fucking said. [/quote] Ok mr pedantic. It’s what I meant though. > [@](#): > > So **now** you’re point is that we just should shut up and take it. Coming from a poster who has over the years posted some of the whiniest and inconsequencial OP’s on this board I find that rather rich to say the least. If that whining inconsequential poster isn’t the least bit bothered about board issues, and is tolerant of what they have to do, then what does that say about the rest? ---
**Author:** ![WhyNot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/c77e96/32.png) [@WhyNot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WhyNot)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2008, 5:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dopers-are-understanding-creatures-until-their-precious-message-board-has-problems/441791/22 "2008-03-18T17:14:39Z")
[QUOTE=Lobsang] If it helps aleviate your anger you are welcome to pile it on me. After all I can just go somewhere else when I get fed up of it. [/QUOTE] Well, to be fair, you’re also doing a boatload of assuming - you’re assuming that TPTB care, that they’re competent, and that they’re addressing the issues in a timely matter. I’ve seen no evidence of that in my years here. I \*have \*seen evidence of excuses, delays, dodging of responsibility, changing of features without commensurate changes in fees and outright rudeness from at least one Administrator when honest questions are asked about board operation. ---
**Author:** ![ivylass](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/9de053/32.png) [@ivylass](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivylass)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2008, 5:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dopers-are-understanding-creatures-until-their-precious-message-board-has-problems/441791/23 "2008-03-18T17:15:30Z")
[QUOTE=Lobsang] Well, no (but it’s your choice I guess), because there are more important things in life, and they have made the decision (on a temporary basis) for a good reason… Not out of malice or that they have anything against you. And what’s the ‘fee’ 12 quid a… YEAR! [/QUOTE] I understand their reasons. Yes, there are more important things to worry about. Yes, I can well afford the membership fee. That doesn’t change the fact that this board has had ongoing server issues for EVER. In other threads, it’s been mentioned SDMB is about \*two years behind \* on updates for vBulletin. That tells me that SDMB is not a priority for TPTB, yet they are more than happy to collect our membership fees. We have paid money for a service. We are getting substandard service. If you substitute “Brighthouse” or “Verizon” for “SDMB” I don’t think you be quite so forgiving. ---
**Author:** ![Scumpup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ce73a5/32.png) [@Scumpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scumpup)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2008, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dopers-are-understanding-creatures-until-their-precious-message-board-has-problems/441791/24 "2008-03-18T17:16:44Z")
What are you getting in exchange for so enthusiastically giving “the powers that be” a public rimjob, **Lobsang**? ---
**Author:** ![yojimbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yojimbo/32/232_2.png) [@yojimbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yojimbo)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2008, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dopers-are-understanding-creatures-until-their-precious-message-board-has-problems/441791/25 "2008-03-18T17:19:34Z")
[QUOTE=Lobsang] If that whining inconsequential poster isn’t the least bit bothered about board issues, and is tolerant of what they have to do, then what does that say about the rest? [/QUOTE] It means they can direct their ire at actual problems. ---
**Author:** ![Lobsang](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobsang/32/4067_2.png) [@Lobsang](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobsang)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2008, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dopers-are-understanding-creatures-until-their-precious-message-board-has-problems/441791/26 "2008-03-18T17:21:32Z")
[QUOTE=Scumpup] What are you getting in exchange for so enthusiastically giving “the powers that be” a public rimjob, **Lobsang**? [/QUOTE] That’s a secret. ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2008, 5:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dopers-are-understanding-creatures-until-their-precious-message-board-has-problems/441791/27 "2008-03-18T17:23:05Z")
[QUOTE=Lobsang] It seems to me like when things happen to the message board (things go wrong with computers /systems/websites. it’s a fact of modern life) a lot of people jump down the throats of the other people who are paid nothing to sort out their bile. [/quote] As has been said, they are paid. Jerry and Ed are paid. No one is jumping down the throats of any of the unpaid moderating staff. > [@](#): > > Why can’t it be the case that - If things are not as they seem - we assume the powers that be are doing whatever they can to resolve the problem - and leave them to it. Life experience. Get some. It’ll do you wonders. ---
**Author:** ![essell](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/34f0e0/32.png) [@essell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/essell)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2008, 5:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dopers-are-understanding-creatures-until-their-precious-message-board-has-problems/441791/28 "2008-03-18T17:24:09Z")
[QUOTE=Lobsang] And what’s the ‘fee’ 12 quid a… YEAR! [/QUOTE] That was my feeling too. I don’t like the fact that the search function is gone, but given 1. How much I’m missing because of that & 2. The effectivness of complaining I’m really not able to gather any real fury about this. If **Ivylass** et al. want to get angry, I understand why. Just don’t expect all of us to march in your parade. It’s got little to do with being nice to the Mods / Admins / Owners. I just have better things to spend my brain cells on. ---
**Author:** ![Lobsang](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobsang/32/4067_2.png) [@Lobsang](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobsang)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2008, 5:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dopers-are-understanding-creatures-until-their-precious-message-board-has-problems/441791/29 "2008-03-18T17:24:29Z")
[QUOTE=yojimbo] It means they can direct their ire at actual problems. [/QUOTE] These are actual problems? That’s sad. Look if poeple have paid more attention than me and they have seen that TPTB are truly neglectful and money-grabbing or whatever then I’ll take their word for it. I posted on a whim and because I was surprised how much of a reaction that a genuine technical problem is generating. ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2008, 5:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dopers-are-understanding-creatures-until-their-precious-message-board-has-problems/441791/30 "2008-03-18T17:26:42Z")
[QUOTE=Lobsang] These are actual problems? That’s sad. [/quote] Based on your posting history, do you at least see the irony here? ---
**Author:** ![Labrador\_Deceiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7c8e57/32.png) [@Labrador\_Deceiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Labrador_Deceiver)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2008, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dopers-are-understanding-creatures-until-their-precious-message-board-has-problems/441791/31 "2008-03-18T17:27:29Z")
[QUOTE=essell] I just have better things to spend my brain cells on. [/QUOTE] I fail to see how you are spending any fewer brain cells than anyone else posting in this thread. ---
**Author:** ![Lobsang](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobsang/32/4067_2.png) [@Lobsang](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobsang)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2008, 5:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dopers-are-understanding-creatures-until-their-precious-message-board-has-problems/441791/32 "2008-03-18T17:28:32Z")
[QUOTE=hajario] Based on your posting history, do you at least see the irony here? [/QUOTE] So when was the last time I was genuinelly upset about something insignificant? And I mean genuinelly upset. I often post about mundane things because it’s fun to do so, some people seem to like it. ---
**Author:** ![ivylass](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/9de053/32.png) [@ivylass](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivylass)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2008, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dopers-are-understanding-creatures-until-their-precious-message-board-has-problems/441791/33 "2008-03-18T17:29:56Z")
[QUOTE=essell] If **Ivylass** et al. want to get angry, I understand why. Just don’t expect all of us to march in your parade. [/QUOTE] I’m not angry. I’m fed up. I’ve stood by quietly as time and time again the board has had server issues. I’ve accepted it as part and parcel of being part of a popular message board. But it is increasingly obvious to me that TPTB (Creative Loafing?) does not consider SDMB a high priority. Oh, they’ll take our money, but keep the board up and running? I am tired of being told that the problem is being addressed, that changes are in the works, that things will be resolved shortly. After awhile it becomes a case of “Go on, pull the other one.” Exactly how long do they expect us to “be patient?” ---
**Author:** ![yojimbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yojimbo/32/232_2.png) [@yojimbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yojimbo)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2008, 5:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dopers-are-understanding-creatures-until-their-precious-message-board-has-problems/441791/34 "2008-03-18T17:32:50Z")
[QUOTE=Lobsang] These are actual problems? That’s sad. [/QUOTE] With regard to my posting and using the board it’s a problem. I’m not ranting to my workmates or family members about it but WTF, the problems with the board and people are compaining on the board about it. Where’s the problem here? ---
**Author:** ![Lobsang](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobsang/32/4067_2.png) [@Lobsang](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobsang)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2008, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dopers-are-understanding-creatures-until-their-precious-message-board-has-problems/441791/35 "2008-03-18T17:35:59Z")
For me the board works often enough that I can lurk during quiet times at work (where most other sites are blocked) and that makes the yearly fee worth it (at least until things get worse) If anybody feels it isn’t worth it then there’s nothing stopping them from not renewing their subscription. It’s sad, but in today’s world it’s easier to just stop paying for something you are disappoionted with than it is to actually complain until it’s sorted. ---
**Author:** ![Telperien](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/65b543/32.png) [@Telperien](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telperien)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2008, 5:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dopers-are-understanding-creatures-until-their-precious-message-board-has-problems/441791/36 "2008-03-18T17:37:40Z")
If people should stop complaining, then wouldn’t it follow that you should not complain about their complaining? ---
**Author:** ![Lobsang](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobsang/32/4067_2.png) [@Lobsang](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobsang)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2008, 5:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dopers-are-understanding-creatures-until-their-precious-message-board-has-problems/441791/37 "2008-03-18T17:40:19Z")
[QUOTE=Telperien] If people should stop complaining, then wouldn’t it follow that you should not complain about their complaining? [/QUOTE] No, I thought I’d be a hypocrite instead. (Or maybe it’s sort of ok to complain about complaining… fight fire with fire you know?. Maybe inappropriate complaining is more worth complaining about than the thing that is being complained about) ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2008, 5:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dopers-are-understanding-creatures-until-their-precious-message-board-has-problems/441791/38 "2008-03-18T17:40:46Z")
[QUOTE=Lobsang] **Dopers are understanding creatures (until their precious message board has problems)** [/QUOTE] Have some pity on a Dope addict jonesing for a fix! ☹ ---
**Author:** ![Jayn\_Newell](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Jayn\_Newell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jayn_Newell)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2008, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dopers-are-understanding-creatures-until-their-precious-message-board-has-problems/441791/39 "2008-03-18T17:44:56Z")
[QUOTE=ivylass] But it is increasingly obvious to me that TPTB (Creative Loafing?) does not consider SDMB a high priority. [/QUOTE] No shit. The mods have been telling us that for years. If I’m not mistaken, that’s part of the reason the board went pay-to-post in the first place–because TPTB doesn’t give a flying fuck about this place and would happily shut it down unless it brought in some revenue. It would be nice if they did show us a little attention (a sticky telling us what the fuck is going on–posted before people start bitching–would be nice) but aside from that, I don’t expect them to do more than throw us the occasional bone. ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2008, 5:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dopers-are-understanding-creatures-until-their-precious-message-board-has-problems/441791/40 "2008-03-18T17:47:28Z")
[QUOTE=Lobsang] So when was the last time I was genuinelly upset about something insignificant? [/quote] A few months ago maybe. I’d tell you but… > [@](#): > > And I mean genuinelly upset. I often post about mundane things because it’s fun to do so, some people seem to like it. Some people use the board to post “fun” and mundane things. That’s what they get out of it. Others use it to vent. That’s what _they_ get out of it. There are appropriate places for both. What exactly is your damage such that you are having difficulty in grasping that after all of these years. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dopers-are-understanding-creatures-until-their-precious-message-board-has-problems/441791.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dopers-are-understanding-creatures-until-their-precious-message-board-has-problems/441791.md?page=3)