# Dopers, half of you are inexperienced, small-minded twits. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 22, 2002, 5:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dopers-half-of-you-are-inexperienced-small-minded-twits/99497 "2002-03-22T05:17:15Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Lizard](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/dfb087/32.png) [@Lizard](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lizard)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2002, 6:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dopers-half-of-you-are-inexperienced-small-minded-twits/99497/21 "2002-03-22T18:53:51Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by DPWhite \* > The woman was asking for advice, some of us gave it. You, on the other hand offered no advice, but only criticism. Wow. I am in _awe_ of your keen grasp of the purpose of the Pit. You’ll note this thread is not about **kiz’s** predicament itself, nor do I have anything to say on that subject here. > [@](#): > > Your attitude that she should let her incredibly selfish mother continue to boss her around and not have a life for the next 20 years is rather self congratulatory. Excuse me, _where_ did I say this? > [@](#): > > _Originally posted by casdave_ > Which half do I belong in, the smallminded one or the other, unspecified, one ? > > Or could this be just a broad pigeonholing of a swathe of people based upon nothing more than you having a differant opinion to a tiny, almost vanishingly small, percentage of them. Aaah, nothing like an attempted hijack over semantics. So you think my subject line is overbroad? Sue me. > [@](#): > > _Originally posted by Collounsbury_ > Her situation is pathetic. Not that she lives with her mum, the conditions of living with her mum, including the clearly described inability to live a normal adult life per her apparent desire to (i.e. to fuck when she wants to with who she wants to, etc.). It is pathetic. Stop bending fucking over backward to be inoffensive and empty-mindedly ‘open-minded.’ If I cared so much about being “inoffensive,” I wouldn’t be calling you out for being a fucking pompous jerk, now would I? > [@](#): > > (b) Housing, no Twisty, we needn’t take her fucking word for it. Nor should one take someone’s word for something that’s clearly false. She made statements in re the affordability of the area (Boston) which were clearly non-factual (read false) excuse making. Boy, good thing we caught THAT evil liar! She’ll know better than to ever mess with **Collounsbury** the Cop ever again! > [@](#): > > _Originally posted by Truth Seeker_ > If kiz thought the advice was useful, I’m not quite sure what your problem is. My problem was with the nasty, judgmental attitude displayed by some posters. Here’s an analogy: I go into one of the “Ask the Gay Guy!” threads and start railing against “faggots” who will “burn in hell” for their “unholy sins against God and nature.” Obviously, nobody would stand for this kind of attitude. I thought what some people said to **kiz** deserved the same reaction. Disagree with that all you like. I give **Goo** points for taking this thread seriously and seeing what I was getting at. ---
**Author:** ![Lizard](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/dfb087/32.png) [@Lizard](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lizard)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2002, 7:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dopers-half-of-you-are-inexperienced-small-minded-twits/99497/22 "2002-03-22T19:13:03Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by CrankyAsAnOldMan \* > \*\*Collounsbury, I’m surprised. You’re such an intelligent and well-informed poster; I don’t get the ire in your post. > > I would not go so far as to bandy about the insults that Lizard was making, but as I indicated in that thread, I took umbrage at people who seemed to imply that there was something inherently whacko about living with one’s parent(s). > \*\* I don’t “bandy about” insults, I hurl them with as much force as I can muster. :mad: Long time, no see, **Cranky**. 🙂 How ya been? ---
**Author:** ![Silver\_Fire](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a88e4f/32.png) [@Silver\_Fire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Silver_Fire)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2002, 7:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dopers-half-of-you-are-inexperienced-small-minded-twits/99497/23 "2002-03-22T19:57:24Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Lizard \* > \*\*Here’s an analogy: I go into one of the “Ask the Gay Guy!” threads and start railing against “faggots” who will “burn in hell” for their “unholy sins against God and nature.” Obviously, nobody would stand for this kind of attitude. I thought what some people said to **kiz** deserved the same reaction. \*\* Wait… You’re kidding, right? ---
**Author:** ![Green\_Bean](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/green_bean/32/1760_2.png) [@Green\_Bean](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Green_Bean)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2002, 1:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dopers-half-of-you-are-inexperienced-small-minded-twits/99497/24 "2002-03-23T01:23:23Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Tee \* > \*\*If an apartment stays vacant long enough to be listed, with the thousands of possible tenants out there, there’s something wrong with it or the landlords are being _ahem_ very picky about who’s gonna live there. \*\* That’s like saying that anyone who posts a personal ad must be a totally unattractive loser. ---
**Author:** ![CrankyAsAnOldMan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crankyasanoldman/32/11670_2.png) [@CrankyAsAnOldMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CrankyAsAnOldMan)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2002, 1:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dopers-half-of-you-are-inexperienced-small-minded-twits/99497/25 "2002-03-23T01:36:15Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Green Bean \* > \*\* > > That’s like saying that anyone who posts a personal ad must be a totally unattractive loser. \*\* Well, we all know THAT’S true! ---
**Author:** ![Tee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/73ab20/32.png) [@Tee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tee)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2002, 3:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dopers-half-of-you-are-inexperienced-small-minded-twits/99497/26 "2002-03-23T03:15:44Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Green Bean \* > \*\* > > That’s like saying that anyone who posts a personal ad must be a totally unattractive loser. \*\* Absolutely…during a man or woman shortage. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![erislover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/71e660/32.png) [@erislover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/erislover)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2002, 6:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dopers-half-of-you-are-inexperienced-small-minded-twits/99497/27 "2002-03-23T06:53:08Z")
Well, perhaps I was just profoundly “unresourceful” but when I moved here my company paid for a relocation company to help me find a place in Boston Metro area. We had five places to look at, and appointements made, at 8AM. At 9 AM two of them were cancelled because the apartments were taken. I filled out a rental application at one, and a third appointment was cancelled. I went the the last of the five and filled out an application. The choice was: take this last place now for $800/mo (studio, and cramped, too) which is a sure thing, or hope to god I get the other place. There was nothing left. Sure, you can find all kinds of ads for apartments, right up until you call to enquire, at which time they are gone. I am paranoid about moving out because I am not in a position to put down two to three months’ rent up front to get a place, and yet this tiny friggin’ place is killing me. But roommates I don’t know was never an option. I would rather live in my car than reside with people I don’t know. If I wanted to share a bathroom with a stranger there would be slightly more than zero options available. But, again, maybe I’m not as resourceful as **gobear** would be, were he in my shoes. Oh, and I wouldn’t have gotten the other place, as it turns out. And when I said I’d take the one I currently lived at the rental agent had to call other appointments _he_ had for the place to cancel. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Lizard](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/dfb087/32.png) [@Lizard](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lizard)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2002, 7:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dopers-half-of-you-are-inexperienced-small-minded-twits/99497/28 "2002-03-23T07:04:23Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Silver Fire \* > \*\* > Wait… You’re kidding, right? \*\* Of COURSE I’m kidding! That’s the point. ---
**Author:** ![Helen\_s\_Eidolon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Helen\_s\_Eidolon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Helen_s_Eidolon)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2002, 2:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dopers-half-of-you-are-inexperienced-small-minded-twits/99497/29 "2002-03-23T14:42:43Z")
While some people, IMHO, did suggest stuff like counselling nicely, and did give **kiz** the useful advice of needing to get out, others were not so nice. She asked for help about a sensitive issue. Some of you came in being **way** too harsh. There’s just no need. ---
**Author:** ![Epimetheus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c4cdca/32.png) [@Epimetheus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Epimetheus)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2002, 7:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dopers-half-of-you-are-inexperienced-small-minded-twits/99497/30 "2002-03-23T19:26:29Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Collounsbury \* > \*\*{snip} > God damned namby pamby accepting gets one fucking nowhere, a hard dose of reality is what gets one forward. \*\* :eek: Just goes to show you that sometimes the more intelligent people are the biggest dicks. With as much as I agree that soft coating everything is stupid, and taking “a dose of reality” is a good thing, I think the attitude above is too condensending and assholic. What reality are we talking about here? That it is ok to be condensending and to toss insults down from the heavens where your nose is sticking in the almighty’s ass? Or that a nice civilized discourse is impossible from one so obviously well learned about the harshness of life, and who has all the answers. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![kiz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/7feea3/32.png) [@kiz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kiz)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2002, 2:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dopers-half-of-you-are-inexperienced-small-minded-twits/99497/31 "2002-03-24T02:03:47Z")
Holy shit…I never in my wildest dreams thought that my thread would set off all this! ---
**Author:** ![Redboss](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/8baadc/32.png) [@Redboss](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Redboss)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2002, 2:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dopers-half-of-you-are-inexperienced-small-minded-twits/99497/32 "2002-03-24T02:39:30Z")
Goodness me, didn’t someone once tell me that a twit is an immature fish? Wouldn’t it be good if **Cecil** would write a column on this interesting subject… Redboss ---
**Author:** ![Dijon\_Warlock](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a9a28c/32.png) [@Dijon\_Warlock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dijon_Warlock)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2002, 3:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dopers-half-of-you-are-inexperienced-small-minded-twits/99497/33 "2002-03-24T03:19:13Z")
[Twits](http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0141301074/qid=1016939889/sr=8-2/ref=sr_8_67_2/102-5334340-2936922) ---
**Author:** ![Tsubaki](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/d07c76/32.png) [@Tsubaki](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tsubaki)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2002, 4:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dopers-half-of-you-are-inexperienced-small-minded-twits/99497/34 "2002-03-24T04:33:27Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Redboss \* > \*\*Goodness me, didn’t someone once tell me that a twit is an immature fish? Wouldn’t it be good if **Cecil** would write a column on this interesting subject… > > Redboss \*\* 😃 I’m having a fit of giggles here, **Redboss!** ---
**Author:** ![Lizard](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/dfb087/32.png) [@Lizard](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lizard)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2002, 5:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dopers-half-of-you-are-inexperienced-small-minded-twits/99497/35 "2002-03-24T05:30:16Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by kiz \* > \*\*Holy shit…I never in my wildest dreams thought that my thread would set off all this! \*\* Ah, shaddup. this ain’t about you anymore. 😃 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Lizard](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/dfb087/32.png) [@Lizard](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lizard)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2002, 5:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dopers-half-of-you-are-inexperienced-small-minded-twits/99497/36 "2002-03-24T05:35:42Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by kiz \* > \*\*Holy shit…I never in my wildest dreams thought that my thread would set off all this! \*\* Ah, shaddup. this ain’t about you anymore. 😃 😃 ---
**Author:** ![kambuckta](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/53a042/32.png) [@kambuckta](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kambuckta)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2002, 6:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dopers-half-of-you-are-inexperienced-small-minded-twits/99497/37 "2002-03-24T06:45:37Z")
Yeh, what Lizard said. Don’tcha just lurv this board! ---
**Author:** ![kiz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/7feea3/32.png) [@kiz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kiz)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2002, 1:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dopers-half-of-you-are-inexperienced-small-minded-twits/99497/38 "2002-03-24T13:54:56Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Lizard \* > \*\* > > Ah, shaddup. this ain’t about you anymore. 😃 😃 \*\* I know! 😃 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Cheesesteak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cheesesteak/32/3694_2.png) [@Cheesesteak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cheesesteak)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2002, 4:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dopers-half-of-you-are-inexperienced-small-minded-twits/99497/39 "2002-03-24T16:38:46Z")
**erislover** , your story only proves **gobear’s** point. In only 5 tries, you found an affordable apartment in Boston. **Kiz’s** statement that finding a place is impossible if you don’t make $100K was an excuse, not reality. She **can** move out if she wants, if it is important enough to her. With respect to the ‘dose of reality’ issue. Sometimes you have to look a friend in the eye and say ‘you’re being an idiot.’ A personal story, of much less significance: A little while back, I tried out a different way of styling my hair. I wasn’t sure if I liked it or not, but was willing to give it a try, maybe it would grow on me. When asking my friends if they liked it, they all said yes, except one. He said “Your hair looks like crap.” Suffice to say, once I changed it back, all my other friends said “I didn’t really like it, but I thought you did.” Only one guy looked me in the eye and said what he really thought, no hedging, no soft words, just the truth. The truth is that her monetary excuse for not moving out was not reality, someone had to tell her. ---
**Author:** ![Green\_Bean](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/green_bean/32/1760_2.png) [@Green\_Bean](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Green_Bean)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2002, 4:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dopers-half-of-you-are-inexperienced-small-minded-twits/99497/40 "2002-03-24T16:41:27Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by kiz \* > \*\*Holy shit…I never in my wildest dreams thought that my thread would set off all this! \*\* Well, some are born great. Some have greatness thrust upon them. And some inadvertently start shit-storms in the Pit. 🙂 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dopers-half-of-you-are-inexperienced-small-minded-twits/99497.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dopers-half-of-you-are-inexperienced-small-minded-twits/99497.md?page=3)