# Doper's Hero John Cleese A Souper Seekrit Nazi? **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [May 29, 2019, 9:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dopers-hero-john-cleese-a-souper-seekrit-nazi/834736 "2019-05-29T21:08:14Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Royal\_Nonesutch](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ecb155/32.png) [@Royal\_Nonesutch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Royal_Nonesutch)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2019, 9:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dopers-hero-john-cleese-a-souper-seekrit-nazi/834736/1 "2019-05-29T21:08:14Z")
Monty Python’s John Cleese sez that “London is no longer an English city”. Clearly he is a vile, racist, hate-filled homophobe (“Loretta?!?”) Git em!!! ---
**Author:** ![Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bosda_di_chi_of_tricor/32/16845_2.png) [@Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosda_Di_Chi_of_Tricor)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2019, 9:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dopers-hero-john-cleese-a-souper-seekrit-nazi/834736/2 "2019-05-29T21:20:17Z")
Excuse me? ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Borgia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/larry_borgia/32/156_2.png) [@Larry\_Borgia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Borgia)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2019, 9:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dopers-hero-john-cleese-a-souper-seekrit-nazi/834736/3 "2019-05-29T21:41:12Z")
Ok. Thanks for letting us know. ---
**Author:** ![KneadToKnow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kneadtoknow/32/3999_2.png) [@KneadToKnow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KneadToKnow)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2019, 9:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dopers-hero-john-cleese-a-souper-seekrit-nazi/834736/4 "2019-05-29T21:48:43Z")
I remember my first stroke. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2019, 9:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dopers-hero-john-cleese-a-souper-seekrit-nazi/834736/5 "2019-05-29T21:49:33Z")
Woah! Old grumpy white British dude longs for a less diverse time! Younger people grossed out by his racism! FILM AT ELEVEN!!! ---
**Author:** ![Sunny\_Daze](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunny_daze/32/438_2.png) [@Sunny\_Daze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunny_Daze)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2019, 9:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dopers-hero-john-cleese-a-souper-seekrit-nazi/834736/6 "2019-05-29T21:52:32Z")
> [@Royal\_Nonesutch](#): > > Monty Python’s John Cleese sez that “London is no longer an English city”. > > Clearly he is a vile, racist, hate-filled homophobe (“Loretta?!?”) > > Git em!!! Link/Cite? ---
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2019, 10:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dopers-hero-john-cleese-a-souper-seekrit-nazi/834736/7 "2019-05-29T22:02:01Z")
Da fuck? ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2019, 10:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dopers-hero-john-cleese-a-souper-seekrit-nazi/834736/8 "2019-05-29T22:05:10Z")
[From here.](https://www.euronews.com/2019/05/29/british-actor-john-cleese-faces-criticism-for-tweet-saying-london-not-really-an-english-ci)(Tweet quoted) > [@](#): > > Some years ago I opined that London was not really an English city any more > > Since then, virtually all my friends from abroad have confirmed my observation > > So there must be some truth in it… > > I note also that London was the UK city that voted most strongly to remain in the EU Nothing about immigrants. Further clarification: > [@](#): > > British comedy legend John Cleese faced criticism on social media for posting a tweet in which he said London was “not really an English city any more”. > > Early on Wednesday morning, the actor, who part of the famed Monty Python comedy group and co-wrote and starred in Fawlty Towers, posted the tweet to his 5.6 million followers saying his friends from abroad agreed with him “so there must be some truth in it”. > > The actor also noted London was the UK city most in favour of remaining in the European Union in the 2016 Brexit referendum. > > The UK capital saw nearly 60% of inhabitants opt to remain in the EU. > > “I suspect I should apologise for my affection for the Englishness of my upbringing,” Cleese later responded to critics, “but in some ways I found it calmer, more polite, more humorous, less tabloid, and less money-oriented than the one that is replacing it.” Still nothing about immigrants. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2019, 10:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dopers-hero-john-cleese-a-souper-seekrit-nazi/834736/9 "2019-05-29T22:15:20Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > Still nothing about immigrants. So what is he talking about then? ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2019, 10:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dopers-hero-john-cleese-a-souper-seekrit-nazi/834736/10 "2019-05-29T22:23:50Z")
I would guess he’s talking about social changes that have led to society being more casual - from a different viewpoint, more rude - and more money-oriented than when he was growing up. It’s not an uncommon view in people of his age group. ---
**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2019, 10:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dopers-hero-john-cleese-a-souper-seekrit-nazi/834736/11 "2019-05-29T22:37:06Z")
Don’t mention the war. ---
**Author:** ![pulykamell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pulykamell/32/3166_2.png) [@pulykamell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pulykamell)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2019, 10:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dopers-hero-john-cleese-a-souper-seekrit-nazi/834736/12 "2019-05-29T22:38:14Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > Woah! Old grumpy white British dude longs for a less diverse time! Younger people grossed out by his racism! FILM AT ELEVEN!!! Yeah, he just sounds like another grumpy old soul pining for the halcyon days of yore. BFD. And is he really a SDMB “hero”? That’s news to me. ---
**Author:** ![hogarth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hogarth/32/1773_2.png) [@hogarth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hogarth)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2019, 10:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dopers-hero-john-cleese-a-souper-seekrit-nazi/834736/13 "2019-05-29T22:40:49Z")
I agree that it sounds more like geezerism than Nazism. Probably old people were saying the same thing about damn long-haired hippies when he was younger. ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2019, 10:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dopers-hero-john-cleese-a-souper-seekrit-nazi/834736/14 "2019-05-29T22:41:24Z")
Cleese has been intermittently cranky for years. Whatevs. ---
**Author:** ![Baron\_Greenback](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/baron_greenback/32/48_2.png) [@Baron\_Greenback](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baron_Greenback)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2019, 10:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dopers-hero-john-cleese-a-souper-seekrit-nazi/834736/15 "2019-05-29T22:56:10Z")
It’s not like he wrote the character of Basil Fawlty as someone who exploited, bullied and frequently assaulted a caricature of a Spanish person or anything. ---
**Author:** ![Dale\_Sams](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/779978/32.png) [@Dale\_Sams](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dale_Sams)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2019, 11:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dopers-hero-john-cleese-a-souper-seekrit-nazi/834736/16 "2019-05-29T23:00:37Z")
He’s talking about their form of gentrification and soulless corporate plagues replacing genial English establishments. Get a grip people. This “Get him/cancel Cleese!” bullshit needs to stop. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2019, 11:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dopers-hero-john-cleese-a-souper-seekrit-nazi/834736/17 "2019-05-29T23:10:51Z")
> [@Dale\_Sams](#): > > He’s talking about their form of gentrification and soulless corporate plagues replacing genial English establishments. > > Get a grip people. This “Get him/cancel Cleese!” bullshit needs to stop. Given that nobody here said that, I’d question your reading–but your first paragraph already answered any such question. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2019, 11:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dopers-hero-john-cleese-a-souper-seekrit-nazi/834736/18 "2019-05-29T23:40:44Z")
Did he even say that becoming “less English” was necessarily a bad thing? ---
**Author:** ![Isosleepy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/isosleepy/32/479_2.png) [@Isosleepy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Isosleepy)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2019, 11:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dopers-hero-john-cleese-a-souper-seekrit-nazi/834736/19 "2019-05-29T23:58:46Z")
The older some people get, the more they start missing how (certain) things were in their youth. While typically that is at most mildly annoying, I have to say this reads to me like he is lamenting the fact that lots of people in London aren’t like the people that were around when he grew up. And that has connotations I find unfortunate at minimum, and I do think less of him because of it ---
**Author:** ![naita](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naita/32/5862_2.png) [@naita](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/naita)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2019, 12:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dopers-hero-john-cleese-a-souper-seekrit-nazi/834736/20 "2019-05-30T00:04:13Z")
John Cleese started making grumpy old man statements years ago. In at least some ways he was the grumpy old man of the group even back in the Monty Python days. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dopers-hero-john-cleese-a-souper-seekrit-nazi/834736.md?page=2)