Dopers overweight as children: What would you criticize your parents for?

My son asked me for more food tonight. I said no; he’d already eaten twenty minutes ago. His brow furrowed and he thought I was being mean. So then I said, “What is it that you wanted?”

“…I donno…like…maybe a snack…”

“Are you hungry?”

“Yes.”

“Does your tummy say you’re hungry?”

“…no…I just want to eat.”

So I got him a glass of water. Four minutes later, he forgot all about the food idea and was busy playing with his toys. About thirty minutes after that, he was in bed falling asleep to Tom Sawyer on Audible.

So…most of the time, kids - and adults - aren’t actually hungry. They want more food. Other days I may have pointed him to (certain) fruits or vegetables, but I hadn’t been grocery shopping in a week. :smiley: And I knew he was suffering from end-of-night-getting-tired-can’t-focusness.

You keep saying that the parent in the OP is abusive and neglectful. Like a good parent would never have an overweight kid. To support that you linked to a story about a kid that was removed from her parents custody because she was overweight. You neglected to notice that the kid in the story weighed 400 pounds.

I don’t know if you support removing kids based on their BMI. I just find it bizarre that you keep talking about chubby teenagers and super morbidly obese children as though they are exactly the same thing.

That was what I was getting at with the dental analogy - the fact that a kid needs some dental work does not make their parent a bad or neglectful parent. If a kid did indeed have their teeth ‘rotting out of their mouth’ then we could look at the parent and say they were possibly neglectful. But you’re looking at all overweight kids and teens and just assuming that the parents don’t care about their kids health and don’t make any effort whatsoever to help their kids.

You’re also bringing up the behaviour of a six year old in a thread about the behaviour of a 13 year old. It’s great that you feel that you’re teaching your son good eating habits now but it’s entirely possible that he will reach his teen years and rebel against you and any effort you make at controlling his diet. I did.

17% of American kids are obese and 1 in 3 is overweight to some degree, so yes, it is quite normal these days to be chubby/fat as a kid. Social norms are changing right along with average weights.

Kids who are crazy extreme outliers (like the 400 lb 12-year-old CitizenPained cited) are going to have an awful time of course. But there are still very, very few children and adults who are super obese.

I think it’s ridiculous to suggest that childhood obesity has tripled in the past 30 years because parents these days are ‘abusive’ or neglectful, FWIW.

When I came down to visit my parents, I told my mother that I had lost a lot of weight beforehand so as to prepare her for what she was going to see. And also as a hint to not bring up the subject to me.

So when I showed up, she was actually surprised and said I looked good, much better than she thought I was going to look. Which came to a surprise to ME, but hey, it’s better than being nagged to death. And I could tell she was pleased whenever she saw me eating. Some of it was eating for appearance-sake (I wasn’t not going to eat when I took my sister and mother out to lunch). And some of it was eating motivated by real appetite/hunger. But I was a pain at the grocery store. My mother kept telling me to pick out some food that I would like to eat over the length of the visit, and we had to walk up and down all the aisles before I could come up with anything. All of her food inquiries (Do you like so_and_so?) brought with it a dull “I don’t know.” Because either I had never eaten those things, or I had in the past but the idea of eating them now was disturbing. My mother, to her credit, acted as graciously as she could and worked with me until we could find something that I really liked.

My father, on the other hand, kept saying something negative whenever he didn’t see me jawing away on something. He asked if I wanted something from KFC and I told him I was okay, and that alone launched him off. But then I shut him up when I told him I’d already had three slices of pizza that day. Get. Off. My. Back.

So no, unless they are a medical professional who’s been tracking my weight on a regular basis, I do not want people coming up to me expressing their “concern”. I haven’t made my issue a secret, first of all, so it’s not like people can say I’m in denial or that I’m not trying to fix it. And secondly, I’m not dying. I just do not look “fleshed out”. Besides being cold in air-conditioned buildings and not looking good in my clothes, it’s really not affecting my life. All vital signs point to normal. I’m not weak. Just really slender.

I can understand concern, but I would not take unsolicited advice very well. And I’ve been finding that underweight people get a ton of it…probably more so than their overweight counterparts. I had some random guy in the elevator command me to spin around so that he could comment on how “one-dimensional” I had become. I went to a farewell lunch with a former coworker the other day who I haven’t seen in quite awhile. The first thing she said when she saw me was not hello, howyadoing, but that I was just wasting away and that I needed to eat, what the hell was I doing to myself? If she hadn’t been a little old lady, I probably would have told her to mind her own business (because where does she get off telling me about what I should do, when she still maintains a cigarette habit while having severe respiratory problems?) Of course, no one noticed when I ate a big bowl of salad and a big plate of fish and chips, with no leftovers. No, monstro is starving herself and it is our mission to make a big deal out of it. Regardless of how the attention makes her feel.

My siblings and I operate in a MYOB kind of way, as I said, but out of us all, I am the queen of privacy and have the least amount of empathy for other’s empathy when it comes to matters regarding my own health. My older sister is not this way, but I would find it hypocritical for me to even “go there” with her about her kids when I’m asking other people to leave me alone about by own issues.

Given the way the rest of my family is built, there was never any way I was going to be a skinny kid. But I do have a lot of issues about weight and food, and I’m just starting to sort them out now (I’m 31).

When I was seven-almost-eight, we moved. We moved away from my friends and my school. We moved from an established, vibrant neighborhood into developing suburbs. We moved from a sunny climate into an overcast one. The transition was very hard on me. I went home in the afternoons to babysitters, until I was old enough to be at home alone. Then I was a latchkey kid.

I remember that every day just seemed dreary and unpleasant. I was lonely and bored and unhappy at school. Dinner was the nicest part of the day–and I began to eat for comfort. I’d eat until my stomach hurt, every single night. And I put on a lot of weight.

Around this time, I don’t know if it was about not being a little kid or about the weight I was putting on, I began to get an uncomfortable feeling that my parents, especially my dad, loved me but didn’t much like me. So low self-esteem developed. All through school I was convinced that I was fat and therefore no boy could ever like me. There was no point in trying to be pretty, so I didn’t.

Then there are food and weight issues I inherited from my mother. She’s always worked hard to get weight off, but has still always fallen into the size 14-16-18 range. She made me her compatriot in that–lots of “in jokes” about us fat girls, etc. So there was more reinforcement that I was fat. And at the same time, she makes frequent comments about how fat other people are. So, disdain for the fat.

One of the reasons my mother has trouble keeping weight off, though, is that she is completely preoccupied with food. If there is a dessert in the room, she must try it. If there is a dish she hasn’t had, she must try it. She’s completely distracted until she does. And I inherited that from her. It never, ever, ever occurred to me until I was in my late twenties that I might not eat something. If treats were handed out at school, I ate them. If it was served with hot lunch, I ate it. If friends were going out for a bite, so was I. And yes, I find new foods, especially desserts, completely distracting. I have to try things.

So, there are my reasons.

I have a happy epilogue, though. I now think I’m pretty (though still overweight), warm, caring, charming and fun. I married a kind and handsome man. We have a darling baby. She seems to have inherited skinny genes from his side… and unlike my mother, I am aware of my food issues, so I’m going to try hard to shut myself up about them.

Heh monstro. I guess the empathy you have is for how irritating unsolicited comments are! Understood.

Since I posted, I’ve been kinda just keeping an eye on this thread to see what sort of information others have had about the subject. It’s been pretty interesting the say the least but I can see a lot of debate over how much control is too much. I know in my case, my mother obviously went to the extreme of TOO much control and having seen the effects of that on my own life, I’m scared to death of doing that to my own daughter. As such, I’ve been so completely paranoid about doing ANYTHING in regards to her weight, it’s a constant stress for me. I knew weight problems run in the family so I was pretty vigilant about what and how much she ate. Junk food such as candy, chips, cookies, etc were sometimes foods for her but in limited amounts. She would eat lots of fruits and vegetables and what I thought were ‘healthier’ snacks like Goldfish and string cheese and such. And she LOVES to eat. I’ve never seen a child so fixated on food. But at about two and a half years, it started being clear she loved it too much. She would steal food and hide while she gorged herself on it. I can’t even count the number of times I found her under her bed with an open jar of peanut butter, or find an empty box of crackers behind the couch. Of course the first thing I thought was that I’d done something wrong. These were the exact same things I’d done as a child when my mom started me super restrictive. I didn’t want to restrict her MORE and make things worse but I didn’t want to just let her eat and eat as much as she wanted. Even now, at about three and a half, she’s in the 80th percentile for her weight but the 30th for height. She doesn’t look to be extremely overweight but she’s definitely chunky and I’m having problems getting clothes to fit her in both height and weight. As of right now, I have talked to a dietitian from WIC about my concerns and her solution, while it makes sense, is difficult for me to follow. She says my daughter’s actions are coming from feeling restricted in her eating and thus her body’s automatic reaction is to eat as much as she can whenever she can. Her suggestion was that I stop restricting her portions and meals. That I let her eat as much as she wants at meals and if she wants five cookies during a special treat, that I let her. Of course she emphasized offering healthy choices and making healthy meals but she was basically telling me to do the complete opposite of everything I’d known about weight control. Apparently if I let my daughter do this, that for a week or two she’s going to completely go crazy with food but once she realizes that the food’s there for her and not going anywhere, she’ll calm down and start self regulating. Of course my mother (and everyone else in the family) thinks this is absolutely ridiculous and makes sure I know that on a regular basis. What’s worse, is we’ve had to move in with her for financial reasons and now it’s constant and if I let my daughter have seconds or even thirds on something, I get the worst looks and sometimes even a comment. It’s not easy at all for me to follow the dietitian’s advice, since it’s not even something I’d allow for myself but I’m trying.

Basically, I agree that some control is necessary but the fine line between appropriate amounts and getting to the point of causing more harm than good is an easy one to cross for the majority of parents. And I know in my case I’m so scared of crossing that line, of having her end up like me, that I’m not doing enough. It’s easy enough to say that parents need to do things as ‘simple’ as providing fully balanced, healthy foods, having no snack foods in the house, etc. But when you come from an overweight family and have never known what healthy eating was, when you’re still struggling with weight yourself because you can’t seem to make the change (no matter how hard you try), it’s not so easy. And that’s not even getting into the financial aspect of eating healthy. That’s an entirely new discussion right there.

AngelSoft, I have been there. It is very scary, but I promise you that your dietician is right. Your mother might need a punch in the snout until she shuts up, though. OK, don’t really punch her, but do everything you can to get her to be quiet and let your daughter figure it out. Tell her that any commentary at all is just going to lengthen the “go crazy” period (and I think that a week or so is pretty short - it could easily be a few months). Also, see if you can get your mother to read Secrets of Feeding a Healthy Family (linked above). Good luck!

I’m wondering though, if you’ve got your own confirmation bias.

A doctor evaluates patients who think they have a problem. Or, in your case, parents who think their children have a problem. Or are at least conscientious enough to snip anything in the bud that they may not even suspect is wrong.

Which means that you’re not seeing the people who don’t think they’ve got a problem at all.

I imagine my sister is a little like our kooky parents. Despite having good medical benefits, we were only taken to get check-ups when something was wrong. Which was rare. I didn’t even know I’ve probably always been anemic, for instance, until I was 17 and had a rare physical exam. We got the blood test results back and I was freaked out by this unexpected diagnosis, and my mother assured me that I’d been anemic even as far back as an infant. So obviously it was no biggie (yeah, just tell that to my poor brain :)). You’d think I would have at least been taken to the doctor to get that checked out once I started menstruating. But nuh-uh. That’s not how my parents rolled. I could hold a grudge against them about it, but I just can’t. They didn’t go to the doctor when they were kids, so it never occurred to them to make their own kids go to the doctor just for general purposes.

So I’m imagining my sister is operating with the same worldview. That annual check-ups for healthy-behaving kids is unnecessary. Which means that a doctor may not be there to be the voice of objectivity and non-judgmental guidance. Which means my sister is gauging her kids’ sizes based on the folks around them. Everyone is big (as you know, obesity isn’t exactly uncommon in black Americans). The ones who are not big are the sore thumbs. Couple that with a widening belief that everyone naturally comes in different shapes and sizes, real women have curves, and all that matters is self-esteem and self-love, and I could see how a parent and/or child could appear to just be “giving up” when really their perceptions and outlook are skewed.

Not saying my sister is not taking her kids to the doctor…just that I wouldn’t be surprised if this was the case. She still views the ADD diagnosis with suspicion, which I’m sure is related to her sordid history with psychiatrists and drugs. So if all this is true, then she (and her husband…both are equal partners) is at fault. But me knowing this doesn’t help her kids.

I said the OP parent was being neglectful, which in some states was a form of abuse. And I said that good parents can have overweight kids, but they may be entertaining a serious parent FAIL. Next time you accuse me of things, please cite. I have to repeat myself quite a bit here for you.

If you actually read my post, you’d see I said:

This is the second (and last) time I am posting that quote for you. Please read it.

No - I’m clearly not - but one can lead to another.

There’s no ‘possibly’ about it. A child with several teeth rotting has a neglectful parent.

Please cite where I have said this. I have explicitly said that’s NOT how I feel, but you seem to be perfectly OK twisting my words to satisfy your vendetta.

Or maybe won’t because he knows that’s stupid. 9/10ths of my friends are slim. They grew up in homes where running around outdoors, skiing, hiking, eating fresh food and cooking was just part of life. Overeating or driving through Mickey D’s wasn’t part of their growing up. It’s foreign to them. And when they do eat junk, they feel like shit because they aren’t used to it.

That wasn’t my life, but I want it to be my son’s life. We also keep kosher-style, so that helps. In case you didn’t notice, I was accused of bringing up my child to ‘hate fat people’ because he knows that eating junk every night for dinner is BAD FOR YOU. You are supposed to take CARE of your body, not wreck it.

I think the stats are:

Hell, you can be 50 lbs overweight and have a hard time.

My son used to steal snacks/cookies and get into trouble for it. It drove me bonkers. It became a discussion about stealing and taking food inappropriately…maybe if you approach it that way with your daughter (instead of “you’re eating crap that’s bad for you”), it will help. And you can let her know that if she’s hungry, you’ll get her something to eat.

But she’s young. I mean, my son used to swipe frosting off a cake if I baked when I was in the other room and then he’d tell me he had no idea who did it. :smiley: Your daughter lacks self-control at this point when it comes to food…so I agree that choices is a good thing.

Better info from the CDC.

50 lbs overweight is well into clinical obesity for most adult heights.

Not the way it works in a general pediatrics practice. We see kids for routine well child exams and the issues of nutrition and exercise and BMI come up because I am reviewing the growth chart and those habits with the parents (and with an old enough child, the child as well). And parents don’t have a choice about bringing them in at least a few times - even if they do not get the immunizations from us and skip the standard advised visits, they need exams for entry to preschool, kindergarten, middle school and high school. Not annual visits but enough. If you got away without those exams then I don’t know how, and I doubt your nieces have. (Which of course does not mean that the doc has spent any time discussing it, or said anything more helpful than not.) It is rare that the family is bringing it up first and unpredictable if a particular family will be grateful we are talking about it or defensive about the concept that little Johnny is potentially headed for adult obesity unless some things change.

As far as perceptions about weight in the Black community, well obviously there is no single Black community, but yes I am aware not only of the higher incidence of obesity among Blacks (and Hispanics), and some particular weight biases within some portions of the community. But you are also indeed correct that in general Blacks are less likely than Whites to correctly perceive themselves as overweight or obese (and the authors agree with you that such is a risk for more overweight.) Moreover the parents are less likely to recognize that there is a problem. And those kids who incorrectly believe themselves to be overweight or obese when they are not, are disproportionately White. My recollection (but I can’t seem to pin down the study right now) is that this Black/White difference is independent of SES. In hindsight my own practice experience is not inconsistent with that. So yes cultural factors may play a role. Of course neither group is doing too well: Blacks tend to not recognize that they have a problem while Whites tend to do stupid things to address the problem whether they have it or not.

I will however stand by my thesis: the problem is not a weight problem, it is a nutrition and exercise problem that weight is a mere symptom of. We need to focus less on the symptom and more on the actual problem.

By the way, the way CP approaches it with her own son is exemplary. Evaluate what your tummy is really saying. If he had said “my tummy is still hungry” she would have let him choose between a selection of healthy snacks.

Haha, yes, I was trying say that you don’t have to be a 400 lb teen to be miserable. :stuck_out_tongue:

Colorado is supposed to be the least-obese state or something and we still have a 20 per cent rate for adults. :confused:

Mine were authoritarian, no doubt. I’ve mentioned before that we weren’t “allowed” to misbehave in public even as older toddlers, and that punishments were handed out arbitrarily and rules not defined until broken. The former, eh, you have to learn to rein in kids with ADHD - emphasis on the H in both cases - when they’re quite young, so I can’t fault them that. The latter, I don’t know what went on there.

As for weight outcomes… My mother bemoans the fact that her mother picked on her weight her whole childhood, but somehow seems not to recall making similar unkind comments to us growing up. What kills me is that looking at photos from back then, I now realize that the weight she was worried about on me wasn’t even the high end of the normal range for my height except for a handful of months before my pre-puberty growth spurt. Lil bro was a somewhat heavy as a teenager, but never more than 15 pounds more than he ought to weigh.

Now, at 28 he’s slightly underweight, and at 34 I’m within ten pounds of what my BMI is supposed to be (I’m active and fairly fit, though, so muscle helps keep me heavier despite being a size 8.). Both of our parents, on the other hand, are obese and have struggled with their weight since they were younger than I am.

No, you outright called her abusive:

Look, I’m not really interested in fighting with you since it’s clear that you’ve already formed your opinions about overweight people. But I don’t have a ‘vendetta’ against you - as far as I know we’ve never even interacted before - I just think you’re wrong about this particular subject. Parents cracking down and being extremely strict with their kids is not the solution to childhood obesity. Encouraging our society to shun and mock overweight people is also not a solution. I’m sure that when your son reaches his teen years he’ll never rebel and that even if he does have weight issues you’ll just remind him that that’s stupid and there will be no problems at all with that.

And I’m sure you’ll let your kids eat whatever they want and do whatever they want because you don’t believe in actual parenting.

Glad we got that settled.

I was a skinny kid with an overweight older sister; because my parents had been overweight as children (though as adults they were always on target, weightwise) they were hyper-vigilant about my sister’s weight issues, which really began as a baby as far as I can see in baby pictures; she was a pudgy baby and a pudgier toddler.

Now, this was the 1970s and there was a lot of conflicting advice around regarding how to lose weight healthily. Actually the “healthily” part was optional. Losing weight at any cost was key. So saccharine, “pep pills,” fasting, were all considered viable options even for children.

My parents, with the best of intentions, treated food the way some parents treat alcohol: they hid it, locked it away, made it something that was “bad” and “forbidden.” Ironically, the liquor cabinet was never locked, and vodka, gin and so on were kept in the fridge and on open shelves. Heck, you know those miniature liquor bottles you’d get on airplanes? Our father would bring 'em home and my sister and I used to play with them, pretending our stuffed animals and dolls were giving them to each other as Christmas presents. (I can only imagine what visitors thought if they walked into my room and saw dozens of little liquor bottles on my shelves!)

Meanwhile, our parents’ favorite snacks (Yankee Doodles, Ring Dings, and Cadbury/Chunky bars) were hidden from us. (Not very well, of course; we always found 'em!) Even fruit was watched assiduously; I remember my father getting upset with my poor sister for eating too many grapes. Grapes!

Long-term result? Neither my sister nor I drank alcohol, or were ever even tempted to as teens. Food, however, became our method of defiance; that’s what we snuck around and hid from our parents the way other teens were sneaking cigarettes, pot or booze. My sister would hide whatever bowls and plates she ate from behind chairs, afraid that our parents would notice what she’d been eating. I learned to do the same when I inevitably started gaining weight as a teen.

As adults we both struggle with food issues, as if we can never have enough of what our parents “deprived us” of (not saying that junk food was a necessity or anything, but it sure felt like forbidden fruit). In fact I’ve noticed a distinct difference in the way I treat food now. If I have a gallon of ice cream in my freezer or a large bag of chips in the cupboard, I eat small portions of whatever as a treat and then put the stuff away for next time. If I go through a period where food is “banned” or restricted completely, that’s when I end up binging or eating too much. To my mind, and I think this is due to the way we were raised, food is something sinful that you mustn’t partake in, and if you do, you’re sinning and so you might as well go whole hog (if you’ll pardon the expression) because soon you’ll have to do without it altogether.

When my cupboard/fridge is full, I feel content to just eat whenever hungry rather than going through the all-or-nothing restrict/binge pattern.

As far as exercising went… it was never something to be considered “fun.” I hated going on bike rides with my father. I never rode fast enough for him, and he made it clear that he was making us go on these rides because my sister needed to exercise to lose weight. Being active wasn’t something enjoyable, it was a necessity, almost a punishment.

The thing is, my parents meant no harm. I’m probably making them sound like martinets, but they weren’t. They were loving, gentle people, and were generally supportive of us in most ways. It was just… I dunno, maybe it was how they were brought up around food themselves. They were 1st generation Americans, raised by poor Jewish parents who’d fled the Pogroms in Russia, and I guess food was a luxury and a treat to them. Perhaps they didn’t trust the bounty of choices that were available in suburban America. I remember my grandmother, when she lived with us, always kept boxes of crackers and little pots of jam in her clothes dresser, beneath her slips and bras. It was like she was hoarding it just in case of emergency.

Anyway. I don’t like criticizing my parents for my own weight issues, because they are my own, and I’m not blaming them for me not being slim. But some of the issues I have with food can indeed be traced back to my youth. It’s a difficult tightrope to walk: not having junk food in the house is one thing, but actively hiding food from your child is probably setting him/her up for an unhealthy relationship with it later in life.

:rolleyes:

Uh yeah. The two options are your way or not actually parenting. Yeah.

No. I was frustrated that Meyer6 kept claiming falsehoods - posting things that I ‘said’ that I actually did not say. Some of those positions I was explicitly against.

My sarcasm didn’t come through, apparently. I was just exasperated…While I’d say letting your kids do whatever they wasn’t isn’t parenting, it wasn’t a serious accusation.

I said this is abusive. Example: sometimes I do things that aren’t in my son’s best interests. I’m not explosive with anger, but I get irritated quickly. I know that if I act on everything I’m thinking, I could exhibit abusive *behavior.
*

Like when I said that I wouldn’t blame a fat child for being fat?

…which I’ve said.

Agreed. I can’t recall the last time I’ve made fun of a fat person. No, wait - I did say this woman was ridiculous.

So if you’d stop posting things about me that aren’t true I’d really appreciate it.