Dopers...what do you think about Article 13?

YouTube has two kinds of systems: automated and manual. The automated system works the same for both video and sound. It checks content against a record of samples and can effect a takedown if it matches. I’m sure it works different on the backend, the conceptual technology behind it is identifical for both visual and audio recordings.

Even if the system were perfect - which it definitely isn’t - and even if all the actors were perfectly honest - which they definitely aren’t - and even if YouTube’s admins were both dedicated and scrupulous - which don’t make me effin laugh - it would still have problems because there are too many holes and gaps in the system simply due to the scale of the thing.

I am particularly, if bitterly, amused by the artists whose own personally-created, self-recorded works are taken down by the automated systems.

Ah, here we go:

Sounds like a technology that is ever becoming better. And that works a lot better than nuthin’.

I do not agree.

WHat you are missing is that this is solely about protecting the profits on a set of large corporations who make quite a lot, and giving them greater power to abuse others with no repercussions. It has nothing whatsoever to do with protecting artists or individuals or whatnot, who are never the beneficiaries.

Another YouTuber (from Europe…I think this guy is English, but lives in Poland IIRC) in another video if anyone is interested:

This one is interesting as VisualPolitic is actually involved directly in Brussels on this issue, and he gives a bit of context and history to this subject.

Updating this thread:

Is there a law that forces YouTube to put a big “SHARE” button under the videos?

The type of web platforms discussed here need to decide if they are publishers or just a communication service. If they are publishers they have to take responsibility for their content. If they are just a communication service they have to be publicly regulated and there can’t be anonymity so that the users can be responsible for the content they post.

Clearly they want to stay in the ambiguously defined middle because it’s the easiest way for them to make money and avoid any liability.

Youtube already disallows anonymity at a base level. Of course your user name can be “anonymous”, but as soon as you monetize your video you’re required to provide a valid name and address, even though they’re not publicly visible to most users. This isn’t horribly unknown, in fact it’s a prime method for doxxing. if somebody has a monetized channel all you have to do is file a spurious DMCA request and Youtube is will provide all their info to the accuser. It’s why Youtubers are often urged to at least associate their Youtube with a PO Box, so at least they don’t have your street address.

The issue with laws like this is that big sites like Youtube take an incredibly corporate-friendly CYA stance. Since Youtube has unilateral discretion about what’s allowed on their platform, but can get in trouble for violating copyright laws, they take a paranoid-conservative approach to the issue which essentially will boot any and all content off their site on request of a big copyright holder, just to avoid a lawsuit from the big fish (while individual YouTubers live in a constant arms race of figuring out new exciting ways to sneak legitimate fair use past The Great Holy Algorithm).

Theoretically there are penalties for filing spurious DMCA requests, and sometimes big companies will back down in ambiguous cases where the Youtuber is just rich/tenacious enough to put up a real fight because they’re afraid if they lose it will set precedent that kills their golden goose. But as a practical matter most of the time, it essentially gives large publishers unilateral discretion as to what is allowed to be monetized, or even exist on the site.

So, turns out the vote to remove Article 13 only failed because the Swedish delegation pushed the wrong button. Under EU laws, the vote is still binding, though.

Good grief. :smack:

This really is a weird time line… I just wish I could remember where I parked the DeLorean.

Did not know Baby Groot was an MEP.

Why in the world aren’t they binding after a given time, rather than once pressed? It’s obviously possible to just physically hit the wrong button and then want to go back.

And why isn’t there a confirmation process? You should always have one of those on something important.

I never thought I’d have the slightest bit of sympathy for Brexit, but I can’t help but think “Yeah, I’d not want to be governed by accidental misclicks.”

As for the practical concerns, assuming that countries don’t do their own workarounds, expect fewer European search results in any search, and sites to be more restrictive to Europe. Heck, like the GDPR, expect sites to just shut down European access entirely.

I’m getting tired of dysfunctional governments.

I much prefer Plan 9.

I don’t think Article 13 imposes a tax or fee on all links; as I understand it’s aimed at “snippets”, where you get a couple of lines of the textual content included in the search results.

That said, I think the owners of valuable IP should be required to take on (or take back) some of the responsibility for maintaining and protecting that property. Copyright terms have been enormously lengthened in the U.S., and we now have works nearly a century old that are still under copyright, and those copyrights may or may not have currently active owners from whom would-be users might request permissions or license to use the material. And rather than the copyright owners being responsible for notifying violators who might be otherwise unaware of it, the onus is now being placed on the platforms.
Obviously, Article 13 doesn’t apply directly to this country, but given the nature of the internet there are sure to be ripple effects.

For me the nightmarish ultimate extrapolation of this possibility would be a return to siloed media markets. Before the internet, it was difficult to find foreign print media*, and virtually impossible to find foreign broadcast media in any meaningful quantity, and I would hate to see a return to this.

*Except only for the handful of foreign languages used by local immigrant communities.

I agree. It seems like free advertising, even if the advertiser is also making money. Why would any site object to this? I make more money and because the news aggregator site does this for free, it makes money. Win-win for everyone.

Plus the news aggregator site is providing a valuable service. Businesses used to pay for this type of thing. To me, it seems like in the 1980s if your listing in the Yellow Pages was free, still complaining that the Yellow Pages made money by selling ads.