# Dopers who long to kill, or fantasize about killing, certain groups of strangers **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 21, 2019, 3:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dopers-who-long-to-kill-or-fantasize-about-killing-certain-groups-of-strangers/829966 "2019-02-21T15:38:20Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2019, 3:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dopers-who-long-to-kill-or-fantasize-about-killing-certain-groups-of-strangers/829966/41 "2019-02-22T03:57:05Z")
> [@Wesley\_Clark](#): > > I don’t want to kill people, but I think America is so divided that we’d be better off if we could have 2 different governments. Like if all the urban areas could form one unified nation and all the rural areas form their nation and we live by different laws. The divide isnt’ blue vs red states, its urban vs rural. > > I think we’d get along better if that happened. Your suggestion is extremely close to my suggestion (way back when I was in high school, decades ago) for peace in Israel/Palestine. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2019, 3:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dopers-who-long-to-kill-or-fantasize-about-killing-certain-groups-of-strangers/829966/42 "2019-02-22T03:57:39Z")
> [@Scumpup](#): > > You specifically solicited the naming of names, you slimy self-righteous POS. Omnibus thread, my ass. Your goal is to drive people from the board. When did this place become about enemies lists? I love you as I love all Dopers, and I hope all Dopers want to improve themselves, as I do. None of us are perfect and all of us have things we can improve, such as (perhaps) recognizing weaknesses within ourselves like a possible unconscious desire for bloodshed. Best wishes and love to you and your family! ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2019, 4:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dopers-who-long-to-kill-or-fantasize-about-killing-certain-groups-of-strangers/829966/43 "2019-02-22T04:04:36Z")
> [@Scumpup](#): > > You specifically solicited the naming of names, you slimy self-righteous POS. Omnibus thread, my ass. Your goal is to drive people from the board. When did this place become about enemies lists? Look, Chuckles, nobody is going to pay you to a dime to leave no matter how much of an asshole you are. But if anything was going to drive people from the board, it would be your poisonous trolling. ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2019, 4:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dopers-who-long-to-kill-or-fantasize-about-killing-certain-groups-of-strangers/829966/44 "2019-02-22T04:32:24Z")
> [@Wesley\_Clark](#): > > I don’t want to kill people, but I think America is so divided that we’d be better off if we could have 2 different governments. Like if all the urban areas could form one unified nation and all the rural areas form their nation and we live by different laws. The divide isnt’ blue vs red states, its urban vs rural. > > I think we’d get along better if that happened. I agree. Unfortunately, the logistics of 100 blue dots in a red sea would be too tricky. ---
**Author:** ![Riemann](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/riemann/32/3133_2.png) [@Riemann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riemann)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2019, 4:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dopers-who-long-to-kill-or-fantasize-about-killing-certain-groups-of-strangers/829966/45 "2019-02-22T04:56:24Z")
> [@Wesley\_Clark](#): > > I don’t want to kill people, but I think America is so divided that we’d be better off if we could have 2 different governments. Like if all the urban areas could form one unified nation and all the rural areas form their nation and we live by different laws. The divide isnt’ blue vs red states, its urban vs rural. Yeah, but we’re not giving away all the National Parks to the “rural” part. I favor the West Coast republic, and everyone in Arizona can swap with New Mexico, so that we can extend a contiguous L-shape to get the Grand Canyon. ---
**Author:** ![Gatopescado](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gatopescado/32/5711_2.png) [@Gatopescado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gatopescado)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2019, 5:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dopers-who-long-to-kill-or-fantasize-about-killing-certain-groups-of-strangers/829966/46 "2019-02-22T05:21:31Z")
Kill All Spiders! ---
**Author:** ![raventhief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/raventhief/32/4_2.png) [@raventhief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raventhief)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2019, 5:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dopers-who-long-to-kill-or-fantasize-about-killing-certain-groups-of-strangers/829966/47 "2019-02-22T05:58:37Z")
> [@Helena330](#): > > It’s entertaining how many right-wingers assume liberals don’t own guns. 😉 I know, right? Poor little defenseless me… ---
**Author:** ![clairobscur](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/839c29/32.png) [@clairobscur](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/clairobscur)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2019, 6:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dopers-who-long-to-kill-or-fantasize-about-killing-certain-groups-of-strangers/829966/48 "2019-02-22T06:51:18Z")
> [@snfaulkner](#): > > I’ll bet any and everything the HD longs for the day to be able to shoot someone. Anyone. Though preferably brown people. He WANTS someone to knock on his door wrong. Or accidentally step foot in his yard. I’ve known too many idiots with fantasies like that. The question with them isn’t “without a gun, how will you protect yourself if someone breaks in?” It’s “without a gun, if someone breaks in, how are you going to shoot them?” I’m convinced of this too, but I doubt they extend it to wanting to kill someone who “knock on their door wrong”. I think they secretly dream of an actual intruder/criminal entering their house and them saving the day with their gun, turning the tables and killing the evil guy. Or killing the terrorists in the movie theater. Or of having finally a tyrannical government and them taking their weapons and rebelling heroically. But this is vastly less of a problem because 1) the tyrannical government part won’t happen and 2) if it happens, they won’t take their guns and rebel. They’re more likely to form a citizen militia to hunt down the traitors who oppose the new government and even more likely to keep going to work so that they’ll be able to pay the rent and feed their family, also avoiding in the process the unpleasant “being tortured in a secret prison” part of this rebellion thing. ---
**Author:** ![Dead\_Cat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/9fc29f/32.png) [@Dead\_Cat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dead_Cat)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2019, 11:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dopers-who-long-to-kill-or-fantasize-about-killing-certain-groups-of-strangers/829966/49 "2019-02-22T11:33:22Z")
I’m not sure it quite fits the OP, but near enough - I know it’s only a game, but several people fill their Celebrity Death Pool lists with (usually right-wing) politicians with whom they clearly disagree. I can understand that, I guess, but when it moves on to their families I do wonder if it is entirely healthy. And I’m no fan of those people myself. Sure, all death pool lists are distasteful. I think some are potentially more worrying than others. ---
**Author:** ![Mijin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mijin/32/9369_2.png) [@Mijin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mijin)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2019, 12:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dopers-who-long-to-kill-or-fantasize-about-killing-certain-groups-of-strangers/829966/50 "2019-02-22T12:07:18Z")
This also might be a bit of a hijack, but I remember a while back a thread about “would you kill an innocent child to save your son / daughter” and it became a pissing contest of “I would commit continent-wide genocide!” Fucking disturbing. And I’ll bet someone will reply to this claiming to not understand what’s disturbing about it. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2019, 12:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dopers-who-long-to-kill-or-fantasize-about-killing-certain-groups-of-strangers/829966/51 "2019-02-22T12:58:12Z")
> [@Mijin](#): > > This also might be a bit of a hijack, but I remember a while back a thread about “would you kill an innocent child to save your son / daughter” and it became a pissing contest of “I would commit continent-wide genocide!” > Fucking disturbing. And I’ll bet someone will reply to this claiming to not understand what’s disturbing about it. That thread was linked to in post #27 (and discussed in a few others after). ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2019, 1:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dopers-who-long-to-kill-or-fantasize-about-killing-certain-groups-of-strangers/829966/52 "2019-02-22T13:44:17Z")
[Here’s another example](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=850767), more articulate than most but no more mentally healthy: > [@Why I Keep AR-15 Platform Rifles](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-i-keep-ar-15-platform-rifles/810269/1): > > I live in CA. Here we have the potential for earthquakes, wildfires, and other natural disasters much like other places. There have been times in recent memory where due to whatever circumstances, temporary local civil unrest occurs. The LA riots were a formative event for me. When the police were unable or unwilling to intercede, the people who were able to defend themselves did so against multiple persistent threats at range. Those who could not either lost everything, were tortured and killed, or were lucky to avoid the wrath of the mob. If services are disrupted, like, water, power, gas, roads, police, etc. I’m prepared to ride out whatever temporary thing is causing a problem and that includes repelling threats. Semi-automatic center fire rifles are the best and most effective way to do that. The AR-15 platform fits these requirements quite well. Less experienced firearm users like my wife could achieve a level of effectiveness with an AR-15 platform rifle that would take comparatively longer than with a pistol. Its ease of use and effectiveness are what make the weapon system appealing. I’ve said before that anything that is effective for defense will likely also be effective for offense and this is true here. Of course, at any given time the rifles rest tucked away in the safes, harming no one. “Of course” :rolleyes: > [@](#): > > I would be okay with making it harder to obtain firearms, more rigor on screening, more aggressive pursuit disarming those with certain mental illnesses, treating threats and earlier signs of violence more harshly (remember when bullying was often overlooked but now it’s not?), expanding how and when a person can be considered prohibited, and a more expansive way to disarm those who become prohibited. It’s those \*other \*people with mental health problems, the \*other \*law non-abiders, whose weapons need to be defended against or removed. Never those of the paranoid fantasist. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2019, 3:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dopers-who-long-to-kill-or-fantasize-about-killing-certain-groups-of-strangers/829966/53 "2019-02-22T15:56:18Z")
I’m not seeing anything in their about the desire to kill. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2019, 4:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dopers-who-long-to-kill-or-fantasize-about-killing-certain-groups-of-strangers/829966/54 "2019-02-22T16:12:32Z")
I would agree that **Bone** ’s looks different than the others, IMO – I don’t really see any blood thirst, unconscious or not. If anything, I sense fear (with the caveat of the next sentence). It can be hard to read into motivations and emotions from text, but from back-and-forth with **Bone** about guns for several years, I gather that he and his family may have experienced violent trauma during the LA riots, and making sure that he and his family have the means of ensuring they never experience such violent trauma again strikes me as, by far, his highest priority and a repeat of that experience is by far his greatest fear. Just my opinion. I like **Bone** , by the way, even as I think his views are sometimes wrong and even terribly harmful to Americans. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2019, 4:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dopers-who-long-to-kill-or-fantasize-about-killing-certain-groups-of-strangers/829966/55 "2019-02-22T16:39:47Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > I’m not seeing anything in their about the desire to kill. That’s disguised, though not very well, as a claim to be preparing to form “militias” and resist “tyranny”. That means fantasizing about killing cops, which necessarily means an element of wanting, or at least being willing, to do it. Sure, it’s mostly just Internet tough-guy posturing, but only mostly. **iiandyiiii** , we’ve also seen **Damuri Ajashi** tell us, repeatedly, how just the sight of armed black people in the LA riots frightened him, and that’s why he needs guns. Without more than that, there’s no more reason to give credit for mental health to **Bone**. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2019, 5:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dopers-who-long-to-kill-or-fantasize-about-killing-certain-groups-of-strangers/829966/56 "2019-02-22T17:02:17Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > **iiandyiiii** , we’ve also seen **Damuri Ajashi** tell us, repeatedly, how just the sight of armed black people in the LA riots frightened him, and that’s why he needs guns. Without more than that, there’s no more reason to give credit for mental health to **Bone**. I said nothing about mental health, and I would probably try to avoid doing that. ---
**Author:** ![Mijin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mijin/32/9369_2.png) [@Mijin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mijin)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2019, 5:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dopers-who-long-to-kill-or-fantasize-about-killing-certain-groups-of-strangers/829966/57 "2019-02-22T17:48:09Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > That thread was linked to in post #27 (and discussed in a few others after). Oops :smack: ---
**Author:** ![Sailboat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sailboat/32/461_2.png) [@Sailboat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sailboat)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2019, 7:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dopers-who-long-to-kill-or-fantasize-about-killing-certain-groups-of-strangers/829966/58 "2019-02-22T19:08:37Z")
> [@clairobscur](#): > > Or of having finally a tyrannical government and them taking their weapons and rebelling heroically. I take a history buff’s view of these questions. When people occasionally vent their frustrations by advising civil war, I point out to them that, historically, civil wars are extremely nasty unhappy things and seldom go the way you want. Most people who have experienced wars, and many of those who start wars, have a very different understanding of what’s at stake than they had back when the entire exercise was strictly theoretical. ---
**Author:** ![Wallet](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e99b99/32.png) [@Wallet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wallet)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2019, 7:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dopers-who-long-to-kill-or-fantasize-about-killing-certain-groups-of-strangers/829966/59 "2019-02-22T19:57:01Z")
> [@Dead\_Cat](#): > > I’m not sure it quite fits the OP, but near enough - I know it’s only a game, but several people fill their Celebrity Death Pool lists with (usually right-wing) politicians with whom they clearly disagree. I can understand that, I guess, but when it moves on to their families I do wonder if it is entirely healthy. And I’m no fan of those people myself. Sure, all death pool lists are distasteful. I think some are potentially more worrying than others. I’ve been doing a Themed Death Pool - A List of Evilness for as long as I’ve been playing (which predates the current administration). I personally found it upsetting to read other lists of sick and/or elderly celebrities, since, as John Donne said, “Any man’s death diminishes me, because I am involved in Mankind”. However…there is no one on my list that I would mourn. I do not feel that their death would diminish me or anyone else - rather, their passing would remove just a small measure of despair and hopelessness in the world. I do not “long to kill, or fantasize about killing, certain groups of strangers”. However, the loss of certain individuals would, again IMHO, hopefully tip the scales against their profound wickedness. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2019, 8:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dopers-who-long-to-kill-or-fantasize-about-killing-certain-groups-of-strangers/829966/60 "2019-02-22T20:08:30Z")
> [@Wallet](#): > > I do not “long to kill, or fantasize about killing, certain groups of strangers”. However, the loss of certain individuals would, again IMHO, hopefully tip the scales against their profound wickedness. _I have never killed any one, but I have read some obituary notices with great satisfaction._ -Clarence Darrow [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dopers-who-long-to-kill-or-fantasize-about-killing-certain-groups-of-strangers/829966.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dopers-who-long-to-kill-or-fantasize-about-killing-certain-groups-of-strangers/829966.md?page=4)