# Doperville Mafia - New Players Welcome! **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [May 9, 2008, 7:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doperville-mafia-new-players-welcome/448670 "2008-05-09T07:23:04Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 21
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2008, 2:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doperville-mafia-new-players-welcome/448670/401 "2008-05-18T14:41:55Z")
[QUOTE=cckerberos] Only 4 hours to go. Look on the bright side… to me, noon was 12 hours ago. [/QUOTE] And this is probably totally inappropriate but what the hey. Twelve hours? Where do you live? Friggin’ New Guinea? And what’s up with the user name? I mean kind of like of post TDN with vowels. I can kind of figure out some of the handles of this fine group but your handle has me doing a whole bunch of WTF. I am a CFO, btw (the CPA is a hint, wink, wink). ---
**Author:** ![bufftabby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/77aa72/32.png) [@bufftabby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bufftabby)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2008, 3:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doperville-mafia-new-players-welcome/448670/402 "2008-05-18T15:57:02Z")
I always wondered what time zone the underworld was on, cc **kerberos**! (That is where that part of your name came from right? Hell, for all I know, you _really could_ be a three-headed dog!) ---
**Author:** ![Amblydoper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/fbc32d/32.png) [@Amblydoper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Amblydoper)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2008, 5:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doperville-mafia-new-players-welcome/448670/403 "2008-05-18T17:01:55Z")
This world revolves around **ME** , dontcha know? You are all pawns in my little game of chess, and we play by **MY** time zone! (Mountain… I said that, right?) ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2008, 5:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doperville-mafia-new-players-welcome/448670/404 "2008-05-18T17:04:05Z")
Ok - googled kerberos. The cc part was dealing me fits. But now that I see you were just copying others: You are either a hound of hades or a network authentication protocol. I am now truly more WTF than before. Damn dog or software lends itself to a pretty wide range. ---
**Author:** ![Amblydoper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/fbc32d/32.png) [@Amblydoper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Amblydoper)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2008, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doperville-mafia-new-players-welcome/448670/405 "2008-05-18T17:21:05Z")
…And the crowd awakens from a deep sleep, a little saddened by the loss of poor anyrose, but bravely prepared to lynch another scummy scum. But it seems the killers have struck again. Leaning against the old oak tree by the mill, is **Koldanar** ’s kold, dead body. One of the townspeople slowly walks closer to investigate. The ground is speckled with broken glass. It seems someone smashed a tequila bottle over his head, then crammed pee cakes into his mouth to suffocate him. He always did hate tequila… and pee cakes… RIP, **Koldanar** , townie. The Player List, 12 alive **[del]anyrose[/del] - Townie - lynched, Day One Zsofia peekercpa Thing Fish Oredigger77 bufftabby cckerberos twickster RyJae The Unkempt One Hoopy Frood fluiddruid [del]Koldanar[/del] - Townie - killed, Night One Blaster Master** Day Two starts now. Deadline is Thursday, 5PM, mountain time. ---
**Author:** ![RyJae](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/9d8465/32.png) [@RyJae](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RyJae)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2008, 6:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doperville-mafia-new-players-welcome/448670/406 "2008-05-18T18:53:50Z")
RIP **Koldanar**. First thing I want to do is see why scum would target Koldanar, I suspected BlaM, or Fluid would be the scum targets. I suspected wrong, unless of course one or both of them are scum. BlaM so far hasn’t posted anything the least bit scummy so he will avoid my gaze today nor has Fluid but she hasn’t had much time to say anything so we will see throughout the day. ``` Koldanar's only FOS kinda post was the one where he suggested **Oredigger** was scummy acting while voting for **Thing Fish** in this post ``` > [@](#): > > And really, what makes you say that he is leading this game around? Is it the large strategy postings, or is it that he has voted for our picene friend, and alot of others have followed suit? > > I know Blaster has been a huge presence in the game, but don’t automatically assume it’s something to be suspicious of. I’m beginning to think you do have something to hide as well, by pushing this type of suspicion in line with Thing Fish. > > It’s about time though, I haven’t seen anything to change my percentages; [#304](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=9800652&postcount=304) **Oredigger77** and **Thing Fish** where the only two that Koldanar was suspicious of. And if I stick with my same assumption that Thing Fish is town that I went with yesterday then I will start the day off with a **vote Oredigger77** ---
**Author:** ![bufftabby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/77aa72/32.png) [@bufftabby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bufftabby)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2008, 9:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doperville-mafia-new-players-welcome/448670/407 "2008-05-18T21:03:48Z")
Yeah, I also would have expected BlaM or Fluid to be stuffed full of pee cakes this morning. I never would’ve baked those damn cakes if I knew this was going to happen! I guess that takes care of my suspicions of Koldanar. I’m not sure where that leaves my opinion now, though. I didn’t believe in the Thing Fish bandwagon yesterDay, and I don’t believe in it now. He still could possibly be scum, I’m just saying I didn’t see the reasoning yesterDay, and still don’t. ---
**Author:** ![Zsofia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/7bcc69/32.png) [@Zsofia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zsofia)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2008, 9:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doperville-mafia-new-players-welcome/448670/408 "2008-05-18T21:17:15Z")
Yeah, I really expected Blaster Master to get it, if only because he’s a veteran player and been so active. Why Koldanar? ---
**Author:** ![RyJae](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/9d8465/32.png) [@RyJae](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RyJae)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2008, 9:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doperville-mafia-new-players-welcome/448670/409 "2008-05-18T21:20:56Z")
[QUOTE=Zsofia] Yeah, I really expected Blaster Master to get it, if only because he’s a veteran player and been so active. Why Koldanar? [/QUOTE] That’s the million dollar question, if we answer it we find scum. I read through everyone of his posts, and the only one that could have led to a preemptive kill was the one I quoted above. I know it’s not much but I’m still looking to see if anyone else laid suspicion on Oredigger77 that survived the night. ---
**Author:** ![Oredigger77](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/oredigger77/32/3181_2.png) [@Oredigger77](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oredigger77)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2008, 9:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doperville-mafia-new-players-welcome/448670/410 "2008-05-18T21:23:45Z")
I hate to post and run especially with votes on me but my phone is dieing and I left my charger in Colorado. I won’t be able to post untill Tuesday night. Any how figured I’d let you know. ---
**Author:** ![RyJae](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/9d8465/32.png) [@RyJae](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RyJae)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2008, 9:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doperville-mafia-new-players-welcome/448670/411 "2008-05-18T21:31:57Z")
[QUOTE=Oredigger77] I hate to post and run especially with votes on me but my phone is dieing and I left my charger in Colorado. I won’t be able to post untill Tuesday night. Any how figured I’d let you know. [/QUOTE] Just my vote… And it’s only because I’m trying to work backwards to figuring out why Koldanar was the target and you so happen to be one of the two he openly was suspicious about. See you Tuesday/Wednesday unless you find another way to charge up 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Zsofia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/7bcc69/32.png) [@Zsofia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zsofia)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2008, 9:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doperville-mafia-new-players-welcome/448670/412 "2008-05-18T21:32:28Z")
Well, they could have chosen at random, knowing we’d expect them to kill the talkative veterans. In Simpletown I was shocked, reading the scum boards after the fact, to see their great coup of hitting the doctor the first night was a total accident. ---
**Author:** ![RyJae](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/9d8465/32.png) [@RyJae](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RyJae)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2008, 9:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doperville-mafia-new-players-welcome/448670/413 "2008-05-18T21:36:32Z")
[QUOTE=Zsofia] Well, they could have chosen at random, knowing we’d expect them to kill the talkative veterans. In Simpletown I was shocked, reading the scum boards after the fact, to see their great coup of hitting the doctor the first night was a total accident. [/QUOTE] For sure that’s a possibility, many many other possibilities as well. Our veterans are the scum is one, something he said made scum think he was a power role is another. Just so many, I went with my gut and laid my vote there the day is very early though and things can change. ---
**Author:** ![Thing\_Fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecb155/32.png) [@Thing\_Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thing_Fish)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2008, 9:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doperville-mafia-new-players-welcome/448670/414 "2008-05-18T21:46:40Z")
Wow, it’s great to be alive. I have no idea why scum would have targeted **Koldanar**. It seems like this is a tricky area, and I don’t think that we can safely assume that **Koldanar** was targeted because he was getting close to scum; it seems at least equally plausible that they might want us to think just that. Maybe they killed him because the players he suspected were Town, and they want to send Town barking up the wrong tree. Likewise, I agree that **BlaM** and **fluid** seemed like more logical candidates; are they still alive because they’re scum, or because the scum want us to be suspicious of them? Or maybe the scum just thought **Koldanar** was a generally better player, and their choice had nothing in particular to do with anything that happened Yesterday? I have reviewed Yesterday, and have sadly confirmed my initial opinion that nothing much was said concerning anything other than my lynch, so we have little to go on. For now, I’m going to keep my vote RyJae mojo workin’, but I’m not loving that vote and I sure hope I can either move it or better justify it by sundown. (And by the way, I would be interested in hearing the veteran’s thoughts about my idea that it is generally pro-Town to get a vote on record very early in the Day) To refresh your memories, my case against **RyJae** , excerpted from my post 338: RyJae’s contributions to this game have been few and mostly consist of criticizing me. Before the bandwagon really got rolling, he attacked me in post 148, just after OD77 had raised one of the first suspicions of me in 146 (though for different reasons). Then, after BlaM casts the second vote for me in 188, he pops up to cast the third vote without much in the way of explanation in 200. Once again, Koldanar suggests in 253 that I was discouraging people from paying attention to BlaM’s thoughts on strategy, and there’s RyJae jumping up to agree two posts later. Looks like a consistent pattern of not wanting to start any bandwagons, but hopping in to keep them rolling and then trying to hunker down and not draw attention to himself. I hope he will have to answer some questions about this Tomorrow. Just never thought I would get to be the one asking the questions! Rather hilariously, while I was composing the above **RyJae** was deciding that I was Town and unvoting me! As you can see in post 339, my initial reaction was suspicion, seeing this as another example of him trying to be on and off the bandwagon at the same time. After the Day ended, I reconsidered and decided his actions best fit the hypothesis that he was telling the truth, that he was Town, thought I was Town and wanted to save me. After all, he still wound up with partial responsibility for a mislynch; the really scummy thing to do would have been to move his vote off of me and somewhere where it wouldn’t matter, rather than putting it on **anyrose**. So I then couldn’t see any real scum motivation for his vote change. But THEN, reviewing over the weekend, I found one. By Thursday afternoon, it was known that the experienced and well-respected **NAF 1138** was set to sub in for **anyrose**. \*\*CCK \*\* mentioned this in post 345, but **RyJae** could already have known if he had looked at the replacement recruitment thread. Seems to me there was suddenly a huge scum motivation to prevent Town from getting that massive talent upgrade. Obviously these thoughts would also apply to **Unkempt’s** vote change. Gotta run, back later to talk about why I’m still far from totally sold on this **RyJae** vote. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2008, 10:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doperville-mafia-new-players-welcome/448670/415 "2008-05-18T22:18:26Z")
And now I have two huge WTFs in front of me. I truly had RL issues at work last week and was totally comfortable with a **Thing Fish** stretching. Fast forward and **anyrose** is pushing up daisies. What in the world happened right at the end of the Day? Just a couple of vote shifts that really need some close re-examination at least, IMO. And **Koldanar** are you serious? **Blam** and **fluid** are the grey beards of this pack. If I were scum they would be the first that I would target. During simpletown I kept after **Blam** along the lines that no way he can remain alive if he is town. And I would have been dead WRONG. So this does lend itself to a WIFOM kind of situation. ---
**Author:** ![fluiddruid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c2a13f/32.png) [@fluiddruid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fluiddruid)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2008, 10:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doperville-mafia-new-players-welcome/448670/416 "2008-05-18T22:38:16Z")
[QUOTE=peekercpa] And now I have two huge WTFs in front of me. I truly had RL issues at work last week and was totally comfortable with a **Thing Fish** stretching. Fast forward and **anyrose** is pushing up daisies. What in the world happened right at the end of the Day? Just a couple of vote shifts that really need some close re-examination at least, IMO. [/quote] Agreed. Frankly I think we should plan to have votes in way earlier today. Can we suggest, for example, by the end of the day Monday that everyone post and vote at least once? Holding off your vote to the last minute leads to situations like yesterday, where the information about who voted for who is tainted by a flurry of last-minute stuff and a tie. > [@](#): > > And **Koldanar** are you serious? **Blam** and **fluid** are the grey beards of this pack. If I were scum they would be the first that I would target. During simpletown I kept after **Blam** along the lines that no way he can remain alive if he is town. And I would have been dead WRONG. So this does lend itself to a WIFOM kind of situation. Yeah, I kinda expected it last night, but, perhaps they’re banking on that. Wouldn’t surprise me, as my life expectancy is generally short anyways. I tend to talk myself into a lynch sooner rather than later. Blaster Master? Well, I’m a little concerned about him, but nothing concrete. I’ll repeat that he usually pings me as scum even when he isn’t, but I’d like to review the thread with him in mind. While this is in no way an accusation (yet), I can certainly see Blaster telling town not to lynch me on the first night just to ‘see what happens’. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2008, 11:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doperville-mafia-new-players-welcome/448670/417 "2008-05-18T23:34:47Z")
Hey **fluiddruid** can you re visit your thoughts about how I was being “bossy”. After the way the first Day played out I would like to think that I am encouraging participation as opposed to stifling. But if there is something that I personally did I’d like your feedback. Ultimtately it’s up to the **anyrose** s and **twickster** ’s 'of this world to keep this thing from just being meaningless three handed nonsense. Meh, my two cents - I’m getting close to a quarter. ---
**Author:** ![Hoopy\_Frood](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hoopy_frood/32/8452_2.png) [@Hoopy\_Frood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hoopy_Frood)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2008, 11:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doperville-mafia-new-players-welcome/448670/418 "2008-05-18T23:59:24Z")
[QUOTE=Thing Fish] Rather hilariously, while I was composing the above **RyJae** was deciding that I was Town and unvoting me! As you can see in post 339, my initial reaction was suspicion, seeing this as another example of him trying to be on and off the bandwagon at the same time. After the Day ended, I reconsidered and decided his actions best fit the hypothesis that he was telling the truth, that he was Town, thought I was Town and wanted to save me. After all, he still wound up with partial responsibility for a mislynch; the really scummy thing to do would have been to move his vote off of me and somewhere where it wouldn’t matter, rather than putting it on **anyrose**. So I then couldn’t see any real scum motivation for his vote change. [/QUOTE] Huh? I don’t quite follow this. While I’m not saying anything **Ryjae** did seems necessarily scummy, his actions could have scum motivation. If say both you and **anyrose** are town (and we now have confirmation on **anyrose** ), **Ryjae** would know this. He also would know that at the time he switched, you were leading 7 to 3 over her and it was near the end of the day. It was likely you were going to by lynched. But even if things swung to anyrose (now that it was 6 to 4), a townie still dies. **Ryjae** essentially started the bandwagon that finished off **anyrose** as **Unkempt One** shortly followed and then you threw your vote in for a tie. (Which can look a bit scummy for vanilla town to do, but self-preservation is generally a null tell.) Now what the end Day did that was beneficial for scum is that it created confusion amongst town. And **Ryjae** was a huge catalyst in the end Day activities. Now, he could also have been town who suddenly realized you were town and figured that if you were, the best choice for lynch would be **anyrose** , who was acting kind of scummy, even if the motivation was frustrated vanilla newbie townie. So what **Ryjae** did has both scum and pro-town motivations. ---
**Author:** ![Hoopy\_Frood](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hoopy_frood/32/8452_2.png) [@Hoopy\_Frood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hoopy_Frood)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2008, 12:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doperville-mafia-new-players-welcome/448670/419 "2008-05-19T00:53:24Z")
Also, concerning the discussion about why scum didn’t kill **BlaM** or **fluiddruid** , bear in mind that it seems every time **BlaM** doesn’t get whacked, the discussion returns to “Why didn’t **BlaM** get taken out? Could he be scum?” For example, until **Naf** confirmed **BlaM** in Simpletown, everyone was suspecting him because scum hadn’t whacked him. I think it’s gotten to the point where scum probably don’t take **BlaM** out right away just because town will inevitably ponder why he wasn’t killed. I think we need a new general rule of Doper Mafia: “ **BlaM** not being night killed is a null tell.” Yes, **fluiddruid** and **BlaM** probably have the most experience, but **Dotchan** I think is right after them (and she may be more experienced than **fluid** for all I know), and **Koldanar** isn’t too far behind (he said he played in 5 games before this), after that, I think the next closest is **bufftabby** with 2 previous, and then there are the rest of us who played in 1 game previously or are newbies. So really, I think the “why hasn’t so-and-so been night killed because they are dangerous to scum” argument is a really bad street to go down, which will do very little for exposing scum and do a lot for just distracting and/or confusing town. ---
**Author:** ![Thing\_Fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecb155/32.png) [@Thing\_Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thing_Fish)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2008, 2:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doperville-mafia-new-players-welcome/448670/420 "2008-05-19T02:02:38Z")
[QUOTE=Hoopy Frood] Huh? I don’t quite follow this. While I’m not saying anything **Ryjae** did seems necessarily scummy, his actions could have scum motivation. If say both you and **anyrose** are town (and we now have confirmation on **anyrose** ), **Ryjae** would know this. He also would know that at the time he switched, you were leading 7 to 3 over her and it was near the end of the day. It was likely you were going to by lynched. But even if things swung to anyrose (now that it was 6 to 4), a townie still dies. **Ryjae** essentially started the bandwagon that finished off **anyrose** as **Unkempt One** shortly followed and then you threw your vote in for a tie. (Which can look a bit scummy for vanilla town to do, but self-preservation is generally a null tell.) Now what the end Day did that was beneficial for scum is that it created confusion amongst town. And **Ryjae** was a huge catalyst in the end Day activities. Now, he could also have been town who suddenly realized you were town and figured that if you were, the best choice for lynch would be **anyrose** , who was acting kind of scummy, even if the motivation was frustrated vanilla newbie townie. So what **Ryjae** did has both scum and pro-town motivations. [/QUOTE] My thinking was that ideally, scum want to make Townies die while bearing as little obvious responsibility for the death as possible. So, once the bandwagon on me seemed pretty much out of control, it would have been in **RyJae’s** (assuming that he is scum) interest to take his vote off me in hopes that people would just look at the final vote tallies, not associate him with the mislynch and forget the important role he had played in getting the bandwagon started. It seems that moving his vote to **anyrose** defeats that purpose, since he still ends up on record voting to lynch a Townie. But I suppose that, instead of or in addition to the “keep NAF out of the game” motive I hypothesized, there could have been a “sow chaos and confusion” motive at work. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doperville-mafia-new-players-welcome/448670.md?page=20) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doperville-mafia-new-players-welcome/448670.md?page=22)