# Dougie\_monty is an immoral cultist **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 20, 2014, 1:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dougie_monty-is-an-immoral-cultist/695993 "2014-08-20T13:31:30Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 15
**Author:** ![dougie\_monty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/439d5e/32.png) [@dougie\_monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dougie_monty)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2014, 2:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dougie_monty-is-an-immoral-cultist/695993/281 "2014-08-25T14:12:14Z")
> [@Smeghead](#): > > He’s NOT the Messiah, he’s a very naughty boy!! > Anyone want to give odds on whether or not dougie will recognize THAT reference? If not my college Music Appreciation professor, God rest his soul, would never have forgiven me!:o ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2014, 2:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dougie_monty-is-an-immoral-cultist/695993/282 "2014-08-25T14:32:24Z")
Was your college Music Appreciation professor a member of the PFJ[,](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gb_qHP7VaZE) or one of those JPF splitters? ---
**Author:** ![dougie\_monty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/439d5e/32.png) [@dougie\_monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dougie_monty)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2014, 3:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dougie_monty-is-an-immoral-cultist/695993/283 "2014-08-25T15:02:50Z")
> [@andros](#): > > Was your college Music Appreciation professor a member of the PFJ[,](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gb_qHP7VaZE) or one of those JPF splitters? I don’t know what his affiliations were. He told us he was born on an Arizona cattle ranch. He bore a strong resemblance to actor Martin Balsam. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2014, 3:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dougie_monty-is-an-immoral-cultist/695993/284 "2014-08-25T15:18:13Z")
> [@dougie\_monty](#): > > If not my college Music Appreciation professor, God rest his soul, would never have forgiven me!:o Tom Owen? ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2014, 4:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dougie_monty-is-an-immoral-cultist/695993/285 "2014-08-25T16:58:52Z")
> [@dougie\_monty](#): > > I don’t know what his affiliations were. He told us he was born on an Arizona cattle ranch. He bore a strong resemblance to actor Martin Balsam. Ah. Popular Front, then. ---
**Author:** ![Drunky\_Smurf](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drunky_smurf/32/449_2.png) [@Drunky\_Smurf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drunky_Smurf)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2014, 6:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dougie_monty-is-an-immoral-cultist/695993/286 "2014-08-25T18:28:41Z")
> [@dougie\_monty](#): > > :Sigh: All right, Superdude. Who is Wayne Brady? He is the black comedian in this Whose Line is it Anyways clip. > [@dougie\_monty](#): > > He bore a strong resemblance to actor Martin Balsam. K, now I’ma need a reference. Who’s Martin Balsam? ---
**Author:** ![dougie\_monty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/439d5e/32.png) [@dougie\_monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dougie_monty)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2014, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dougie_monty-is-an-immoral-cultist/695993/287 "2014-08-25T19:10:49Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > Tom Owen? Calvin Greer. Did you go to El Camino too? 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![dougie\_monty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/439d5e/32.png) [@dougie\_monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dougie_monty)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2014, 7:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dougie_monty-is-an-immoral-cultist/695993/288 "2014-08-25T19:11:55Z")
> [@andros](#): > > Ah. Popular Front, then. Not that I know of. ---
**Author:** ![dougie\_monty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/439d5e/32.png) [@dougie\_monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dougie_monty)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2014, 7:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dougie_monty-is-an-immoral-cultist/695993/289 "2014-08-25T19:17:50Z")
> [@Drunky\_Smurf](#): > > He is the black comedian in this Whose Line is it Anyways clip. > > K, now I’ma need a reference. Who’s Martin Balsam? He was a movie actor; he was in \* Catch-22 \*; Anthony Perkins kicked him down the stairs in \* Psycho; \* he was Juror #1 in \* 12 Angry Men; \* and he was Murray, Archie ’ s partner, on \* Archie Bunker ’ s Place. \* ---
**Author:** ![Annie-Xmas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ecc23a/32.png) [@Annie-Xmas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Annie-Xmas)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2014, 9:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dougie_monty-is-an-immoral-cultist/695993/290 "2014-08-25T21:32:25Z")
> [@dougie\_monty](#): > > [QUOTE Annie-Xmas;17662598] > JW’s do believe that Jesus is NOT god, but the created being Michael the Archangel. And some did believe that Michael Jackson was the archangel Michael. > > Of course, they believe in one god, Jehovah. Jesus is a god too, but there is only one god, Jehovah. Lather, rinse, repeat. In Hebrew, as in Isaiah 9:6: El Gibbor, “Mighty God” (prophecy about Jesus). El Shaddai refers only to Jehovah and means “Almighty God.” [/QUOTE] What is the difference between a “mighty god” and an “almighty god”? And what about Jesus being the archangel Michael? ---
**Author:** ![dougie\_monty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/439d5e/32.png) [@dougie\_monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dougie_monty)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2014, 9:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dougie_monty-is-an-immoral-cultist/695993/291 "2014-08-25T21:38:39Z")
> [@Annie-Xmas](#): > > In Hebrew, as in Isaiah 9:6: El Gibbor, “Mighty God” (prophecy about Jesus). El Shaddai refers only to Jehovah and means “Almighty God.” What is the difference between a “mighty god” and an “almighty god”? And what about Jesus being the archangel Michael? [/QUOTE] Compare the definitions of El Gibbor and El Shaddai in Dr. James Strong ’ s Hebrew and Chaldee Dictionary. ---
**Author:** ![Drunky\_Smurf](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drunky_smurf/32/449_2.png) [@Drunky\_Smurf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drunky_Smurf)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2014, 9:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dougie_monty-is-an-immoral-cultist/695993/292 "2014-08-25T21:46:56Z")
> [@dougie\_monty](#): > > He was a movie actor; he was in \* Catch-22 \*; Anthony Perkins kicked him down the stairs in \* Psycho; \* he was Juror #1 in \* 12 Angry Men; \* and he was Murray, Archie ’ s partner, on \* Archie Bunker ’ s Place. \* Ah, thank you. ---
**Author:** ![Annie-Xmas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ecc23a/32.png) [@Annie-Xmas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Annie-Xmas)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2014, 9:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dougie_monty-is-an-immoral-cultist/695993/293 "2014-08-25T21:48:57Z")
And what about Jesus being the archangel Michael, a created being? ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2014, 10:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dougie_monty-is-an-immoral-cultist/695993/294 "2014-08-25T22:18:58Z")
> [@Annie-Xmas](#): > > And what about Jesus being the archangel Michael, a created being? [Bernie Kopell voice] Zis is Jay-Dub. Ve do not talk about such zings. [/BKv] ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2014, 10:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dougie_monty-is-an-immoral-cultist/695993/295 "2014-08-25T22:57:14Z")
> [@dougie\_monty](#): > > Calvin Greer. Did you go to El Camino too? 🙂 Yep. 1974-1977. Calvin Greer was evidently before my time. TBH, I’m not even sure if Owen taught Music Appreciation. My wife had him for Jazz Appreciation, though. ---
**Author:** ![dougie\_monty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/439d5e/32.png) [@dougie\_monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dougie_monty)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2014, 12:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dougie_monty-is-an-immoral-cultist/695993/296 "2014-08-26T00:17:04Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > Yep. 1974-1977. > > Calvin Greer was evidently before my time. TBH, I’m not even sure if Owen taught Music Appreciation. My wife had him for Jazz Appreciation, though. No, I was in Dr. Greer ’ s class in Fall 1983. Apparently he died about 1990. ☹ I also took Piano with Dr. James Hurd (he looked like Ted Lange of \* Love Boat). \*and Professor June Lusk Nelson. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![dougie\_monty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/439d5e/32.png) [@dougie\_monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dougie_monty)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2014, 12:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dougie_monty-is-an-immoral-cultist/695993/297 "2014-08-26T00:20:01Z")
> [@Annie-Xmas](#): > > And what about Jesus being the archangel Michael, a created being? See Revelation 3:14, the last phrase. ---
**Author:** ![PorchePine](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/94ad74/32.png) [@PorchePine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PorchePine)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2014, 12:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dougie_monty-is-an-immoral-cultist/695993/298 "2014-08-26T00:24:11Z")
> [@dougie\_monty](#): > > See Revelation 3:14, the last phrase. “To the angel of the church in Laodicea write: These are the words of the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the ruler of God’s creation.” ---
**Author:** ![dougie\_monty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/439d5e/32.png) [@dougie\_monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dougie_monty)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2014, 1:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dougie_monty-is-an-immoral-cultist/695993/299 "2014-08-26T01:01:32Z")
> [@PorchePine](#): > > “To the angel of the church in Laodicea write: These are the words of the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the ruler of God’s creation.” Really? In the KJV, Westcott and Hort’s text, and Strong ’ s Concordance the phrase is “beginning” (Greek, _arche)_ of the creation of God. " ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2014, 1:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dougie_monty-is-an-immoral-cultist/695993/300 "2014-08-26T01:42:31Z")
> [@dougie\_monty](#): > > Really? In the KJV, Westcott and Hort’s text, and Strong ’ s Concordance the phrase is “beginning” (Greek, _arche)_ of the creation of God. " When God confounded language at the Tower of Babel, he screwed up big time. He made it impossible for His Word to be accurately translated. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dougie_monty-is-an-immoral-cultist/695993.md?page=14) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dougie_monty-is-an-immoral-cultist/695993.md?page=16)